Deca & EQ Together

[STEROID]

Deca & EQ Together

Found this article from many yrs ago and thought it was a great read to bring over.What are everyone's thoughts on this? Now the thing to remember is the author of this has been cycling for many many years so only after that long a time cycling does he or I think it's necessary to combine the 2.

I've read Big Cats Profile which states that using both deca and eq together is pointless but i also read other stuff about it being different. Here is the best post i've read about combining them both, take a look :

Author: Hogg
Subject: Why it is good and some other things.



A long time ago I said "why take both, they are about equal in terms of effect and use the same receptor" which is true, totally true, the strength advantage goes to deca in my opinion but with that comes the edema that is not found with eq.

Both effect collagen syn in a positive manner though EQ surpasses deca in this regard.

Both increase synovial fluid though deca surpasses eq in this regard.

EQ raises RBC effectively. Herein lies the problem.

So lets say that you had been using the supreme androgen, testosterone, at high dosages in prior cycles. Obviously there are concerns, namely malformed collagen and a loss of resiliency in connective tissues. One might opt to drop his test dosage but still seek a mass building effect.....what 2 drugs of all synthetics are 'clean', ie low androgenic component, but strong enough to produce quantifiable results and are beneficial to collagen syn??? Deca and EQ.

But, taking 800mg of deca could be a prog gyno issue in some and most definitely might cause some moodiness....it has progestenic activity....what does progesterone do to women??? Why do men who use deca by itself often feel lethargic, moody, and some lose their sex drive?? So for all of those reasons, one might consider using deca at a reasonable dosage such that the prog gyno and sides considerations are minimized.

But why would one bother with deca and something else rather than to just take 800-1000mg per week of eq? Simple, the RBC issue and eq aromatizes at extremely high dosages....

EQ is hands down stronger than primobolan. Well why not use something else??? Such as??? there are other drugs like masteron clostebol acetate but honestly, how available are they to most people and at what cost??? IP IP IP....yeah, if you use his stuff, sure go right ahead.

But for many people, eq and deca are both cost effective and readily available, not to mention that they are both very effective synthetics without the ugly androgenic sides like tren or collagen issues with drugs such as winstrol...and they can easily be augmented with an oral such as anavar.

400mg of deca and 400mg of eq provides not only a beneficial effect on collagen syn, but increased appetite, vascularity, reasonable mass gain, healthy joints, and relief from over-use and repetitive use injuries in some users.

Given the foregoing, deca and eq make sense. I have been using 300mg of test, 400mg of deca and 400mg of eq with good success. You dont 'blow the **** up' but I dont 'blow the **** up' off of anything anymore. What I have to look for is slow and consistent mass and strength gain and this is what I have found with this combination.

I have to give credit to hulk for convincing me to try it. I knew all of this for quite some time but continued to believe that big dosages of test were necessary. Once I got my head out of my ass, my nagging injuries and aches and pains seem to go away.

[rmkicks]

I'm less than 2 weeks into a cycle consisting of 600ml Test E, 500ml EQ and 400ml of Deca per week. Oh, and 40mg of Dbol a day for first 4 weeks.
I've done a fair amount of research on this cycle and hope to see some good gains.

[lucky_slevin]

Big ups to F.I.S.T!!
I've read every post you've written in the past weeks and all I can say is your a boss!!!
Extremely informative and very helpful.. Keep posting homie..

[SPEEDY]

I started my last cycle with tested/eq/ and deca. I loved it, had no issues at all. Ran it for a while, but thebmn I dropped eq for tren when I decided to cut up a little. Now I'm just running test and deca. Mu dosage was a lot higher, but I did like the combo.

[STEROID]

I'm less than 2 weeks into a cycle consisting of 600ml Test E, 500ml EQ and 400ml of Deca per week. Oh, and 40mg of Dbol a day for first 4 weeks.
I've done a fair amount of research on this cycle and hope to see some good gains.

Thanks for the feedback brother.Good to hear about your positive experience with it.

[STEROID]

Big ups to F.I.S.T!!
I've read every post you've written in the past weeks and all I can say is your a boss!!!
Extremely informative and very helpful.. Keep posting homie..

Thank you very much sir.Im glad and honored to hear others find them useful.That makes all my posting worth while.

Don't worry,i'll keep posting.

[STEROID]

I started my last cycle with tested/eq/ and deca. I loved it, had no issues at all. Ran it for a while, but thebmn I dropped eq for tren when I decided to cut up a little. Now I'm just running test and deca. Mu dosage was a lot higher, but I did like the combo.

Thanks for the feedback as well speedy.As opposed to the article,I always believe in running test @ the highest dose in any cycle.IMO,I feel this is the best and safest way to cycle with the least change of neg sides,especially while running deca and the possibility of deca dick.LOL.Although,thats also a reason I like to include Viagra with my cycles.The wife hates it,but she learns to deal with it.LMAO.

[SPEEDY]

LMAO!!! I have some cialis pills that I would take every now and then and mine wishes I wouldn't take it to. It makes me even more of a horny bastard lol. Freeks wife loves it though :) I also ran the higher dose of test. Was running 1500/900/900. No issues or anything, but I may try 1200/600/600 next time and compare results. I know more isn't always better. Easy to get carried away lol!!!!!

[Dr X]

Have ran that cycle several times. Really I was hoping to get less bloat from Deca but didn't work. Strong as hell though. I hate deca so I finally just stopped using it. EQ and Test for me.

[STEROID]

Good to hear from you DrX.Hope to see you here more often bro.

[Dr X]

Good to hear from you DrX.Hope to see you here more often bro.

Yeah it's been a while. Just so busy with work but trying to get on more. Good to see familar names still around.

[STEROID]

Yeah it's been a while. Just so busy with work but trying to get on more. Good to see familar names still around.

I hear ya brother.Life keeps everyone running crazy these days.Time is zooming by at an amazing pace.Well glad to hear things are going well with work.Thats always a good thing.Glad to hear you'll be trying to get in here more.Its always good to have another knowledgeable member such as yourself around.

[The Situation]

I think stacking any type of AAS would work, Some will work better than others. I usually like test, a highly anabolic agent and a DHT based agent.

[STEROID]

I think stacking any type of AAS would work, Some will work better than others. I usually like test, a highly anabolic agent and a DHT based agent.

You're right to a degree.Stacking anything can work but some do work better with each other together.Some compounds feed off of each other and actually enhance the benefits/results of each.Deca & EQ do really go well together while not creating an unsafe cycle nor would they cause too harsh neg sides.

The main point with any cycle is to run the safest cycle with the least amount of neg sides.This is especially true of stacking.

[lucky_slevin]

Just started running test/deca/dbol cycle two weeks ago at 600/300mgs wk and 40mgs day... After reading this post I was thinking of adding 300mgs EQ into my cycle... Would anyone be apposed to that or do you think I'm good to go... I'll be adding it into my cycle tomorrow so your quick feedback would be appreciated...

[keith1569]

if your gonna add in eq bro i would say min 400mg a week, if ya can 600mg a week is better IMO

[lucky_slevin]

I got plenty my man... Should I increase my dose of test as well??

[lucky_slevin]

Or should it look something like this test/EQ/deca and dbol..
600/600/300 and 40??

[lucky_slevin]

FIST, your input on this would be very much appreciated...

[STEROID]

It depends brother.How many cycles have you run? If you're still early in the game then I would wait to add another compound in.The cycle you have chosen of test/deca & dbol is fine for and should produce decent enough gains if your diet and training are in order.

The longer you can make gains with the least amount of gear the better off you'll be in the long run.First,if you can still make gains on a basic cycle,why not keep it this way? Saves you a lot of unneeded expense that could be avoided.Secondly,the sooner you start adding compounds the sooner you body builds up a tolerance for these compounds and the sooner you'll need more to get the same results.Thirdly,you will only gain so much even taking AAS so whats the rush to get there? Why tax your body & organs with unneeded amounts of gear? This is a game of longevity brother,you want to not only be healthy today but tomorrow as well.Knock on wood,ive been cycling for over 2 decades with NO HEALTH ISSUES and I really contribute that to smart cycling and living a healthy lifestyle.

IMHO,stick with your original cycle.If you cant make gains on that,then its all because of your diet or training.

[keith1569]

to true..plus it gets old injecting 3ml of oil 4x a week ha..personally i stay away from orals because it kills my lipids and i prefer..
but ya bro depending on your cycle history, u could easily keep the test the same and just up the eq to 600mg..thats my opinion though

[lucky_slevin]

It depends brother.How many cycles have you run? If you're still early in the game then I would wait to add another compound in.The cycle you have chosen of test/deca & dbol is fine for and should produce decent enough gains if your diet and training are in order.

The longer you can make gains with the least amount of gear the better off you'll be in the long run.First,if you can still make gains on a basic cycle,why not keep it this way? Saves you a lot of unneeded expense that could be avoided.Secondly,the sooner you start adding compounds the sooner you body builds up a tolerance for these compounds and the sooner you'll need more to get the same results.Thirdly,you will only gain so much even taking AAS so whats the rush to get there? Why tax your body & organs with unneeded amounts of gear? This is a game of longevity brother,you want to not only be healthy today but tomorrow as well.Knock on wood,ive been cycling for over 2 decades with NO HEALTH ISSUES and I really contribute that to smart cycling and living a healthy lifestyle.

IMHO,stick with your original cycle.If you cant make gains on that,then its all because of your diet or training.

Very very good points here FIST... I've been on and off cycles for a little less then 8 years now... Started out very uneducated unfortunately but have done my due diligence in the meantime to make sure I know what the hell I'm doing to stay as healthy as possible, on and off cycle... Most of my cycles have consisted of test/deca/dbol... I have the hardest time putting weight on and am constantly bulking... I saw your post and thought "well hell, why not add a little something different into my cycle" but your right... I'll stick to what I'm used to and possibly consider switching things up down the road.. Appreciate the input, your ever expanding and never ending knowledge..

[keith1569]

if u been on and off cycles for 8 years i would think switching it up would do you some good...try adding in eq at 600mg a week and see how that works for ya..how long do you run your cycles for? if ur gonna go with eq i would go min of 16 weeks..i prefer 20, but it gets harder to recover from the longer ones..

[lucky_slevin]

Started around 8, went to 12, then 16, which I stuck with for sometime now... Planning on a 20wk this time around..
So your saying give it a go then huh.. Keep the deca or drop it?? I was planning on bumping my test up halfway through the cycle like I usually do, should I do the same with the others??? Geez, I feel like a damn newb.

[STEROID]

Just started running test/deca/dbol cycle two weeks ago at 600/300mgs wk and 40mgs day... After reading this post I was thinking of adding 300mgs EQ into my cycle... Would anyone be apposed to that or do you think I'm good to go... I'll be adding it into my cycle tomorrow so your quick feedback would be appreciated...

If you've been cycling for 8yrs then you have some time under your belt and obviously have the experience so that changes things a little.I would still stick with the above cycle but up the doses a little bit.I would go ...

Wks 1-20 Test @ 750mg ew
Wks 1-18 Deca or EQ @ 600mg ew (I prefer EQ)
Wks 1-6 dbol @ 50mg ed
Adex @ 5,mg ed throughout

Normal pct of Nolva & Clomid

You should still be able to grow like a weed on this cycle as long as you keep training hard and heavy and eat like a bear! I would still wait to add both compounds till later.Like I said,go as long as you can on as little as possible while still making gains.If you've only run test/deca/dbol at those lower doses than just upping the dose and length of cycle will be all you need.Theres no danger of adding both so don't get me wrong,im just saying if can prolong it a little longer and still grow then why not wait? Good luck brother.

[lucky_slevin]

The above plan is exactly what I planned my man!! Only difference is my doses were a little lower and I was debating on adding EQ into the mix... After reading your post of course.. Good to hear I've had the right idea and even better to hear from man of your caliber.. Big ups FIST...
I'll raise my test/deca dosage for sure but am still going to ponder the idea of adding the EQ... I would really like to see if it would make a difference this time around but at the same time I know it's in my best interest to listen to you and your advise... Then again you weren't totally apposed to me adding it so.. Idk... Guess it'll just be one of those heat of the moment decisions ( in about 5 hours or so, lol) if I did decide to add it would I want to do 600 like the deca? Less or more?

[STEROID]

If you do decide on it I would go with 600mg of EQ and 400 of deca.No need to have both @ 600mg.Plus by keeping the deca lower you lower the risk of deca dick.

Thank you very much for the kind words brother.I too am looking to learn everyday.

[lucky_slevin]

If you do decide on it I would go with 600mg of EQ and 400 of deca.No need to have both @ 600mg.Plus by keeping the deca lower you lower the risk of deca dick.

Thank you very much for the kind words brother.I too am looking to learn everyday.

Seriously FIST, thank YOU so much for all your advise... You've revamped my workout, given me a few new options to consider for my cycle and keep me thirsty for more info everyday... I feel like your the smartest MoFo I know... BOSS!!!

[STEROID]

Seriously FIST, thank YOU so much for all your advise... You've revamped my workout, given me a few new options to consider for my cycle and keep me thirsty for more info everyday... I feel like your the smartest MoFo I know... BOSS!!!


You're very welcome brother.But I only pass along info ive read and learned through the yrs through trial and error.The best way to learn is by researching as much information on any given subject as possible and then putting that information into practice and refining it to fit your own personal requirements.Everyone is different and will need different stimuli to reach your particular goals which will greatly differ from another's needed stimuli.

Thanks again for all the positive words.Great to have you here and honored that you find my posts useful.

[keith1569]

If you do decide on it I would go with 600mg of EQ and 400 of deca.No need to have both @ 600mg.Plus by keeping the deca lower you lower the risk of deca dick.

Thank you very much for the kind words brother.I too am looking to learn everyday.

ya man go with the eq 600 and deca 400..u will love it!! oh ya and the test around 750..mmm 20 week cycles :-)
whats gonna be your pct to recover from it?
i just "recovered" from a 8 month cycle..i did 200mcg of tript broken into 50mcg every 3 days with an ai for 4 weeks..i had lab work done 5 weeks post cycle and total test was 515 range was like 300 to 900, but my lh and fsh were still .2
i am currently doing 50mg a day of clomid to see if that helps restart the lh and fsh

[lucky_slevin]

Shit I was just planning a simple Clomid 100/100/100/50 (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3) typically always does the trick for me...
I know some say Proviron is worthless but it works wonders as an on cycle AI for me... I'll be taking 50mg/day throughout my cycle...
Think maybe I should add something else to my PCT??

[grynch888]

Good posts, fist

[keith1569]

Shit I was just planning a simple Clomid 100/100/100/50 (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3) typically always does the trick for me...
I know some say Proviron is worthless but it works wonders as an on cycle AI for me... I'll be taking 50mg/day throughout my cycle...
Think maybe I should add something else to my PCT??

if your gonna run a 20 week cycle..i would say run the clomid 6 to 8 weeks...keep an ai on hand just in case..
thats my thought..also hope your gonna run hcg through your cycle to help your balls be ready to recover

[STEROID]

Shit I was just planning a simple Clomid 100/100/100/50 (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3) typically always does the trick for me...
I know some say Proviron is worthless but it works wonders as an on cycle AI for me... I'll be taking 50mg/day throughout my cycle...
Think maybe I should add something else to my PCT??

I like to run both Clomid and Nolva during pct like this....

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

There should really be no need to add anything else in brother.This is a relatively basic cycle that you should bounce from with the pct protocol I outlined.

A 20wkr is a longer cycle than normal so you could add in HCG @ 100iu's ed throughout the cycle starting a few days after beginning.This will help keep your boys working during the cycle and will make pct easier but I don't always believe in just adding hcg to normal dosed and normal length cycles so I would try to hold off on it as it can also add in more neg sides as well.At earlier stages of cycling,especially at younger ages there is really no need for hcg as with a good pct you will regain your own natural production relatively easy so the choice is your's.

[DGAF]

I like to run both Clomid and Nolva during pct like this....

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

There should really be no need to add anything else in brother.This is a relatively basic cycle that you should bounce from with the pct protocol I outlined.

A 20wkr is a longer cycle than normal so you could add in HCG @ 100mg ed throughout the cycle starting a few days after beginning.This will help keep your boys working during the cycle and will make pct easier but I don't always believe in just adding hcg to normal dosed and normal length cycles so I would try to hold off on it as it can also add in more neg sides as well.At earlier stages of cycling,especially at younger ages there is really no need for hcg as with a good pct you will regain your own natural production relatively easy so the choice is your's.


I believe you mean HCG @ 100mcg ed, not mg!


DGAF

[STEROID]

I believe you mean HCG @ 100mcg ed, not mg!


DGAF


Thanks for the catch brother.I meant 100iu's ed.Fixed.

Good to see you here again DGAF.

[lucky_slevin]

Jesus!! I mine as well just start my own "thank you F.I.S.T" thread, lol..
Your a boss man, looking forward to reading your newest thread... Thanks again for the advise... Oh, you got mail too brotha...

[DGAF]

Thanks for the catch brother.I meant 100iu's ed.Fixed.

Good to see you here again DGAF.

Dammit even I wrote it wrong. I knew what you meant and I knew what I meant though, ius not mcg or mg!!! lol

Good to see you too bro.

DGAF

[lucky_slevin]

Jesus!! I mine as well just start my own "thank you F.I.S.T" thread, lol..
Your a boss man, looking forward to reading your newest thread... Thanks again for the advise... Oh, you got mail too brotha...

I should also send my appreciation to Keith as well... You've been more then helpful homie...