Why insulin?

[Judgmentalist]

I've read the sticky on insulin and if I understand correctly, you're pretty much guaranteed to be a diabetic if you mess with that stuff. And even if it's not a guarantee, but just a significant risk, Why would you risk it? Is insulin really that irreplaceable?

I'm curious to hear the opinions of those who actually think it's worth it to use insulin.


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[Anzel]

It's what they use when the stage is calling them and they can score the big bucks...
It's not really for a gym rat.

But the pros are using alot of it.

If a gym rat ran it they can use a very conservative dose...but you better know what your doing.!

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[stephen220]

I find it beneficial I take gh and then eat then my insulin, because gh causes insulin resistance so taking insulin helps with the carbs and since how gh works it helps prevent me from getting fat on insulin. I don't believe it can cause diabetes unless really abused I use it for 3-4 weeks every now and then at a low dose. But that's just me and I don't think just anyone should use it. It's powerful and can make you go hypo if ever attempted you must be very informed on how to use it and how it works.

[Judgmentalist]

I find it beneficial I take gh and then eat then my insulin, because gh causes insulin resistance so taking insulin helps with the carbs and since how gh works it helps prevent me from getting fat on insulin. I don't believe it can cause diabetes unless really abused I use it for 3-4 weeks every now and then at a low dose. But that's just me and I don't think just anyone should use it. It's powerful and can make you go hypo if ever attempted you must be very informed on how to use it and how it works.

Not me cuz. I already have issues with hypoglycemia I'm scared of that stuff


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[Anzel]

Not me cuz. I already have issues with hypoglycemia I'm scared of that stuff


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Curious
..can you explain what hypo probs you have?
I ask cause everyone in a blue moon I do too.

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[Judgmentalist]

All my life since I was a kid I have to watch what I eat. If I eat too many simple carbs or something with a bunch of sugar in it just get a little weak, dizzy, lightheaded... basically feel like crap for a while.

Had some tests done that said I was "somewhat hypoglycemic".

No big deal, just have to not eat like a moron. However since I already have an issue with how my insulin triggers respond I would be more than average afraid to mess with it.


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[Anzel]

All my life since I was a kid I have to watch what I eat. If I eat too many simple carbs or something with a bunch of sugar in it just get a little weak, dizzy, lightheaded... basically feel like crap for a while.

Had some tests done that said I was "somewhat hypoglycemic".

No big deal, just have to not eat like a moron. However since I already have an issue with how my insulin triggers respond I would be more than average afraid to mess with it.


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Interesting thanks for explaining.


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[stephen220]

So your blood sugar drops to low when you eat to many simple Carbs? I completely understand why you wouldn't touch it at all.

[Judgmentalist]

So your blood sugar drops to low when you eat to many simple Carbs? I completely understand why you wouldn't touch it at all.

Yeah. Technically I think what actually happens is my blood sugar spikes a little bit and my pancreas over-corrects, producing too much insulin which ultimately makes my blood sugar drop too far. If I understand correctly, haven't really thought about it a whole lot since I was a kid, just had sort-of a knee jerk reaction to the thought of messing around with insulin levels.


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[bovisb]

Insulin is very powerful. I know athletes taking it with every meal as fast acting. Others do only one or two shots a day with a long acting Insulin like Lantus. For athletes like cyclists its good for increasing glycogen storages in liver and muscle so they have practically more energy.
For bodybuilders it brings great results in gaining mass and power and fullnes.
I think when it comes to bo bodybuilders eating 1000g or mote carbs a day its not possible without insulin.
For example Jay Cutler. In Flex Magazine he said hes eating meals with 175g of carbs. How should the absorb all that stuff without exogenous insulin?
or Juan Morel eating 10000cals a day in the offseason.
So many guys crash the 300 pound mark in the offseason. I think all of them take insulin.
What i noticed is that you have to train very hard when on insulin. You have to increase the weight every workout or other intensity methods to really make the greastest benefits.

[Sciroxx-lab]

I find it beneficial I take gh and then eat then my insulin, because gh causes insulin resistance so taking insulin helps with the carbs and since how gh works it helps prevent me from getting fat on insulin. I don't believe it can cause diabetes unless really abused I use it for 3-4 weeks every now and then at a low dose. But that's just me and I don't think just anyone should use it. It's powerful and can make you go hypo if ever attempted you must be very informed on how to use it and how it works.

This is actually the notion behind insulin usage, let me explain a bit

GH is a stress hormone, as such it raises glucose levels (as well as free fatty acids - this is how GH burns fat and increases metabolism). When glucose levels rise the body has to secrete insulin to balance the glucose levels, when using superpharmacological GH levels the glucose levels rises sharply, and the body needs to cope with it with secreting more and more insulin from the pancreas, this phenomena reach a point in which he pancreas is overloaded and its ability to withstand its mission is hindered. This is exact the point when some exogenous insulin may be added to help the natural ability of the body to cope with these high glucose levels. Note (!!!) that this should be done very carefully along with monitoring the glucose levels properly, any mistake here may lead to fatal results, so using insulin is generally not advised, and if done it should be accompanied with proper usage with glucometer (hope I use the right term) to be on the top of things.

[Anzel]

Good post Scrioxx!
Now let's say slin is completely out of the question would 1000 mg of metformin be a good substitute?

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[Sciroxx-lab]

Absolutely, I would trial Metformin, but again - start from lower dosage, monitor glucose levels, in this area the more is certainly not the better, on the contrary - thrive just to give the body the little extra help to counter the potential harm done by the high serum glucose levels caused from GH (as well as from very high carb diet) to insulin sensitivity

[Electromass]

Hgh, IGF-LR3, insulin protocol.

So, with this discussion about insulin I thought I would share the protocol I use and will be using on my next bulk.

Weeks 1-? HGH-2.5 iu 1st thing in the morning, 2.5 iu early afternoon. (5-on, 2 off)
Weeks 1-5, 11-21, 21-25. IGF-1LR3- ED 60mcg's IM post wo on wo days, first thing in morning non wo days.
Weeks 6-10, 16-20, 26-30 Humalin R 8iu immediately post wo, workout days only.
Immediately after slin injections I do the following.
Inject+5 minutes, drink a shake w/10g of L-glutamine, 10g of creatine and 55g of vitargo.
At 15 minutes post slin inject, drink shake with 80g of whey protein in water.
At 60-75 minutes post slin inject, eat a protein/carb meal w/40-50 g of protein, 40-50g carbs, NO FATS FOR 2-4 hours post slin inject.
That covers the basics. There are some other details one needs to be aware of when following this plan. But as you can see the insulin protocol here is in no way enough to make me diabetic. I have run this protocol before and always use my glucose meter when running slin. It's just plain dumb not to. I'm sure some of you will have questions. I'll be glad to answer what I can.

[joko123]

Hey brother I believe whst youre describing is called reactive hypoglycemia

Reactive hypoglycemia. - PubMed - NCBI (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2645126/)


All my life since I was a kid I have to watch what I eat. If I eat too many simple carbs or something with a bunch of sugar in it just get a little weak, dizzy, lightheaded... basically feel like crap for a while.

Had some tests done that said I was "somewhat hypoglycemic".

No big deal, just have to not eat like a moron. However since I already have an issue with how my insulin triggers respond I would be more than average afraid to mess with it.


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[Judgmentalist]

Hey brother I believe whst youre describing is called reactive hypoglycemia

Reactive hypoglycemia. - PubMed - NCBI (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2645126/)

Thanks man. Interesting article.


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