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STEROID
11-27-2011, 02:40 AM
[/URL]Insulin (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin)Insulin is one of the most powerful anabolic agents in the world. Used properly, it can add weight to you more quickly than any other compound at our disposal.

Used improperly,Insulin will kill you.


Before I delve too deeply into explaining this compound, I feel that itīs important to stress that last part: Screw up with this stuff, and you die. You will go into a coma, and die. And Iīm talking about simply taking too much of this stuff once.


Ok?


This drug needs to be treated with caution. If you arenīt willing to read as much as possible on Insulin before using it, then you arenīt ready to use it at all.

So first, letīs talk about the Insulin thatīs floating around in your body right now, and what it does; then weīll talk about how adding exogenous Insulin(Insulin from outside your body) could possibly help you.


Insulin is a protein secreted by the pancreas which acts on the liver to stimulate the formation of glycogen from glucose and to inhibit the conversion of non-carbohydrates into glucose. (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin)Insulin also promotes facilitated diffusion of glucose through cells with Insulin receptors, and of course this means muscle tissue (1). As you may expect, very high concentrations of Insulin have been soundly result in markedly stimulated muscle protein synthesis (2)(3)(4)(9). It does this mainly at the translational level by enhancing peptide chain initiation (11). This property and itīs consequent results are probably the things which makes it most interesting to bodybuilders and athletes. This is because those factors combine to make ingested protein more efficient by promoting the transport of amino acids into muscle cells. Ergo, we can clearly say that Insulin is undoubtedly anabolic in muscle tissue. It also has an anabolic effect in bone, and thereby increases bone density as well (8). Another mechanism by which Insulin is anabolic is via increasing your bodyīs IGF (Insulin-like Growth Factor) levels (6).IGF is an extremely anabolic hormone.


Another unexpected aspect of Insulin use is its ability to increase both LH (Leutenizing Hormone) and FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone), both of which in turn stimulate testosterone production. What Iīm getting at here is that Insulin stimulates gonadotropin secretion, meaning that itīs use may actually provide an anabolic effect through increasing your HPTAīs ability to stimulate the production of testosterone (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis)(11) This effect is often manifested as virilization (development of male sexual characteristics) in women.Insulin also increases the binding ability of Anabolic Steroids to the androgen receptors (14),which would clearly suggest strongly the possibility of a synergistic effect of Insulin when combined with steroids. Most people also think that Insulin has some anabolic synergy when combined with growth hormone, and certainly there is a lot of anecdotal evidence for this as well. In addition to anecdotal research, itīs important to note that Insulin is actually so anabolic that some researchers have speculated that Growth Hormoneīs (GH) ability to stimulate Protein Synthesis may actually be,in part, due to GHīs ability to increase Insulin sensitivity (12). Certainly the complex relationship between Insulin,IGF, and GH is very synergistic and all interrelated to each otherīs actions (13) (15) (16) (17). Using all three of them plus Anabolic Steroids and a fat-burner is the most potent muscle-building & fat -burning cycle possible.


Of course, when something seems too good to be true, it usually is. Unfortunately, the bad news is that Insulin can easily stimulate adipose (fat) storage. Generally, though, most bodybuilders take Insulin with a fat burner or 2 (Thyroid meds are the most popular choice), as well as Anabolic Steroids and sometimes even GH and IGF, for reasons previously explained. All of this adds up to decreasing the chance that fat is stored, and greatly increases the amount of muscle that will be gained.

Anyway, as you probably guessed, endogenous Insulin (the stuff naturally found in your body) operates on feedback from within your body.


When your glucose levels get high, which is what happens when you eat a sugary snack, (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin)Insulin is then released from your beta cells. When glucose is low,Insulin is, of course, low.

In fact, simply adding liquid glucose to a liquid amino-acid meal (thereby raising Insulin levels) will increase the absorption of the ingested amino acids by roughly 50%!(7) Now, think about this: If a natural Insulin response to ingested glucose can give you 50% better absorption of protein, think about how much protein absorption injecting it will give you..

So, now that we have some kind of understanding as to what endogenous Insulin does, lets try to figure out exactly what exogenous Insulin can do (thatīs the kind you get from a bottle..). Medically, of course, Insulin is used to treat diabetes...thus becoming diabetic is a real risk with improper Insulin usage.


First, Iīm going to give you some clinical examples of how Insulin has been used as an anti-catabolic agent. In the first study I read, Insulin levels were increased 15-fold in infants suffering extreme catabolism. This level of Insulin administration produced a 32% reduction in protein breakdown (4). In the second study I read exogenous Insulin impeded muscle protein loss in burn victims (5). Itīs important to note that you MUST have enough amino acids (protein) in your body for Insulin to exert an anabolic effect. If there are not enough amino acids floating around in your body from your last few meals,Insulin will not be anabolic at all. On the other hand, If amino acid concentrations are maintained at normal or high levels as they would be in a typical athlete or bodybuilderīs diet, a net protein deposition in muscle will occur (more protein deposited in your muscle = more muscle gained). This effect of Insulin depositing protein in your muscles is primarily because of an actual stimulation of protein synthesis and also owing to an inhibition of protein breakdown (10). The lesson here is that even with Insulin diet is the key to it all. You need to have enough protein in order to build muscle, regardless of how much Insulin you take.


Letīs quantify this a bit. What about the anabolic and anti-catabolic properties of Insulin? Can we put some solid numbers on any of this?

Sure.


From the following chat, you can see that Insulin puts your protein balance into a much more beneficial state, and concomitantly lowers protein degradation by inhibition of the lysosomal pathway (this is itīs anti-catabolic effect) (11) and raises protein synthesis (this is itīs anabolic effect).

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Protein kinetics. Protein balance, degradation, and synthesis rates are shown (measured in nmol phenylalanine " min 1 " 100 ml 1). Values represent means ą SE for the basal (open bars) and last 30 min of the Insulin infusion (filled bars) periods with the 3 different rates of amino acid infusion (in ml " min 1 " kg 1) (* P < 0.05 and ** P < 0.01 for basal vs. infusion period).(5)

What this chart tells me is that Insulin can efficiently utilize a great deal of protein above and beyond what your body could normally utilize, and that if you should decide to use Insulin you should be taking in at least 2.2g/kg of bodyweight, and preferably 3-4.5g/kg of bodyweight.


So now we know how & why Insulin works, and how well it works. Ok, lets figure out how to use it. Iīll give you two basic ideas on how to safely use Insulin, as well as a third "hybrid idea," and a dirty little trick on how to use Insulin with a cyclic ketogenic diet, to get into ketosis earlier.


Whichever way you decide to use, remember, Insulin has the ability to stimulate fat storage, so you want to make sure you are using AAS with it, as they will preferentially drive protein and nutrients towards being used for the accumulation of lean body mass over adipose tissue (fat). Personally, I also like to use a thyroid medication (Synthroid) to further insure none of my injectable Insulin is going to put any fat on me. If youīve been paying attention up until now, Iīm sure I donīt have to tell you that GH and IGF are also very potent (and expensive) additions to any stack containing Insulin. If all of that didnīt whet your appetite, then consider the fact that Insulin, GH, and (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin)IGF are undetectable on drug tests! Currently, thereīs speculative ways to test for them, but nothing consistent has been established. I suspect that many a top level "natural" bodybuilder has been helped out by Insulin, GH, and IGF.


So now that we know something about Insulin, letīs see what kind is most appropriate for bodybuilding or athletic purposes, as there are several types of Insulin (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin) available, and choosing the correct type is of utmost importance. Basically there are 5 different types of Insulin weīll look at, and from them, weīll pick the type which will best suit our purposes of building muscle:

Humalog and Humulin Insulin

Humalog (Insulin lispro inj.) is the fastest acting Insulin available
Humulin-R (Regular Insulin) has a short duration of effect
Humulin-N (Insulin Isophane) is intermediate length Insulin
Humulin-U(Medium Zinc Suspension) is another intermediate length Insulin
Humulin-U, utalente (Prolonged Zinc Suspension) is Long acting Insulin

(*there are also blends available of two or more of these types of Insulin, in varying ratios of Long:Short or anything in-between)

Of these 6 possible choices, the first would appear to be the best and safest, but that particular type of (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin)Insulin is (unfortunately) only available with a prescription, and getting it through a typical steroid source (which usually means through the mail) is not advisable, since you can not be sure it has been properly stored and refrigerated throughout the shipping and handling process. Needless to say, attempting to forge a prescription for this stuff is an exceptionally poor idea.


Our next best choice for an injectable Insulin is Humulin-R, so thatīs what weīre going to be using. Humulin R is available without a prescription, from any pharmacy. This stuff has a fairly rapid onset and peak, and ergo is much easier to deal with than the other forms of Insulin available, some last very long, or have varying peaks and spikes throughout their duration, and as such are just too difficult to monitor and control.


The first and most obvious way to utilize Insulin for itīs anabolic effect is to take a little bit with each meal, possibly 1-2iuīs up to 5-6x a day (Insulin is measured in international units, not mgs as is common withAnabolic Steroids). This way youīd be getting the greatest benefit of Insulin possible with each meal and the least risk of using too much and going into shock. Of course some bodybuilders have reported using up to 20-40iu/day, but I wouldnīt recommend this unless you are very experienced, and have your diet in perfect order. Youīll want to take in a tiny bit of essential fats, a decent amount of mixed carbs (i.e. carbs of varying glycemic indexes), and at least 40g of protein with each meal, when using this method of (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin)Insulin use. And clearly, youīll want to work up to this amount of Insulin use, perhaps adding 1iu per day until you reach a level you are comfortable with. This holds true for either method of Insulin use Iīm presenting.


The second way you can use it is to take 1iu of Insulin with your post workout meal, eventually working up to 1iu/10kgs of bodyweight. When using this method, youīll want a post workout shake consisting of roughly 100-200g of mixed carbs and 40-50 grams of protein... nd donīt forget a small amount of essential fats with your shake. I have used Insulin this way, along with Anabolic Steroids and a thyroid med, and have found it to enhance the gains from my cycle by around 15-20% as compared with a similar cycle which did not include Insulin.


The final method is to use the first method as well as the second. SO youīd be taking in 1-2ius with each regular meal and up to 1iu/10kgs of bodyweight with your post workout meal. This would ensure maximum efficiency from each bite of food you eat, but this way is also the most dangerous, and you need to monitor your blood sugar. If you get tired after a shot youīll need to get some mixed carbs into you quickly (Gatoraid and a few Granola bars and/or candy bars), itīs a good idea to carry those kinds of things around with you as insurance that your blood sugar doesnīt go too low. You also donīt want to take this stuff at night before bed, because you wonīt know if your blood sugar is going low and thatīs making you drowsy (meaning you could be facing hypoglycemia, and about to go into a coma) or you are just tired because itīs your normal bedtime.


And as for that dirty little trick I was telling you about...a small amount o fInsulin may be taken when starting a cyclic ketogenic diet, with your first meal of the day you begin. This meal would be fats and proteins, without carbs, and only 2-4iu of (http://www.steroidset.com/)Insulin would be taken. The following meal, you can use half the dose of Insulin as you did at your first meal. The result would be that you could be in ketosis before the end of that first day, where as usually it would take 2 or even up to 3 days to accomplish this. UsingInsulin in this manner is very dangerous, and was even called "Death Wish Dieting" by Dan Duchaine..


Whichever method you use, remember to keep your Insulin refrigerated, as Insulin will degrade very quickly outside of a refrigerated environment. Donīt leave this stuff out of the fridge too long, either.

Insulin Syringes The other thing you donīt want to do is use regular syringes to inject Insulin. You NEED Insulin pins to accurately dose this stuff, remember, too much can be deadly, and the syringes you would use to inject steroids are too big to measure out units of Insulin with. Insulin is given via a subcutaneous injection (below the skin but above the muscle), and regular needles are just too big to do that.


[URL="http://www.steroidset.com/insulin"] (http://www.steroidset.com/insulin)Insulin (or at least Humulin-R) is currently not a controlled substance, and you should be able to buy it at your local drug store pretty cheaply: a 10cc multi-use vial dosed at 100iu/cc will cost you around $50.

SPEEDY
11-27-2011, 03:08 AM
Insulin scares the shit out of me. Probably the only thing I wont try. Not any time soon anyways!!!!!

Spawn
11-27-2011, 10:35 PM
I want to so bad but I'm to scared LOL

Big D
11-27-2011, 11:33 PM
I been thinking about it. It's very scary tho. I know ppl that have studied the subject for years before doing it. And rightly so.

STEROID
11-28-2011, 12:04 AM
You know what guys,ive been cycling for over 20yrs and have yet to try slin.Never had the need for it.Ive always been a meat & potatoes cycler.Even after yrs of cycling Ive always made great progress with basic compounds so for me..."If it ain't broke,don't fix it" I feel the biggest factors in making continuous gains come from always changing up my training and keeping my diet tight.

Lesbianthrowdown
11-14-2015, 11:39 AM
something i'm just gonna have to try at some point. great info.

bulky1993
11-14-2015, 12:03 PM
Leave insulin to the pros in my opinion !!!

dgm831
08-31-2017, 05:52 AM
insulin isn't that scary. All you need to do is to make sure you have carbs handy when you take it.

The protocol that Ive been using has been fantastic.
4iu gh 2 hrs preworkout
5iu insulin just before your workout
drink 50g dextrose intra workout
5iu insulin post workout
50g high gi carbs immediately after
4iu gh before bed.

Ive gained 20 lbs since starting that regimen

Primemuscle
12-16-2017, 03:10 AM
Good post brotha. Slin is great if used properly


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ihab_warrior11
12-16-2017, 05:48 PM
Sharing yesterday insulin
Workout hard legs finished 6 pm
Post workout 5 ius hgh
15 ius insulin novalin - r
Had 50 gram whey protein isolate
And 40gram carbohydrates dark matter supplement
45 minutes 50 grams protein chicken
40 gram carb brown rice
1 hour later started to feel heat so had
Half a ray simply sweet mashed potatoes which is 50 grams carbs and had 50 grams whey isolate
Went out for movies had one protein bar
Home at 1 am had the other half of mashed sweet potatoes 50 grams carbohydrates and 50 grams protein chicken breast
And that's it I feel today waking up pumped and skin tight really


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Weapon X
12-19-2017, 08:41 PM
You might want to have some simple carbs on hand in case you start to go hypo. You'll get a much quicker response with regards to minimize your going hypo
Sharing yesterday insulin
Workout hard legs finished 6 pm
Post workout 5 ius hgh
15 ius insulin novalin - r
Had 50 gram whey protein isolate
And 40gram carbohydrates dark matter supplement
45 minutes 50 grams protein chicken
40 gram carb brown rice
1 hour later started to feel heat so had
Half a ray simply sweet mashed potatoes which is 50 grams carbs and had 50 grams whey isolate
Went out for movies had one protein bar
Home at 1 am had the other half of mashed sweet potatoes 50 grams carbohydrates and 50 grams protein chicken breast
And that's it I feel today waking up pumped and skin tight really


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ihab_warrior11
12-19-2017, 09:31 PM
Yesterday I took just 10ius humlin -r after workout back but it was hard workout so depleted so I took 50 grams whey isolate and 40 grams carbs from dark matter and then I had to go to mall shopping with my girl for Christmas and I had with me in car the sweet potoates and chicken but just one hour later in mall while standing in shop I went hypo and started sweating I left her inside the shop and luckily I found vitamin world shop the next door shop I bought complete cookie which has about 50 grams carbs in the whole cookie it saved me and I got pumped right away until I went out side had my chicken and sweet potatoes . So yes if am gonna be walking and active during the post workout insulin I must keep simple carbs on hand unfortunately the dark matter shake I can't take in shaker with me cuz it clots so fast it's so thick once I mix I drink right away


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GurthQuake
12-19-2017, 10:00 PM
Insane. But interesting


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2scoot
12-22-2017, 07:30 PM
That's quite a dose - all I ever needed was 2iu's and still would go hypo at times.

NothingLessThanProgress
12-22-2017, 10:43 PM
great write up!

TEPENEX
12-23-2017, 01:06 AM
THOUGHT THIS WAS APPROPRIATE.... GOOD INFO!

Ok, so after talking to some professional and elite bodybuilders, I have learned quite a bit about what a well known professional trainer is having these bodybuilders to do to obtain the retarded amounts of weight they have been added to their bodies. It's simply taking their insulin pre-workout, combined with 3 "shakes". I looked at this Insulin protocol, and the ingredients in the shakes, and designed my own Insulin Protacol to better suit my goals and routine. I use better quality of ingredients in my shakes, and added my HGH pre-workout, and igf-1lr3 post workout as well.
Now, the theory behind this insulin protocol is, "Why break the body down, only to rebuild it? When you can simply keep adding onto the Body!"
So basically, by forcing the carbohydrates and Essential Amino Acids into your muscles while you train, the muscle tissue is not breaking down in the same manner that they normally would. It is actually being both protected and forced to grow at the same time. I have not done too much research behind the theory, but it sure sounded good to me, based on what I know about enhancing drugs and supplementation. I prefer trying things out myself, and going by results. Well, the results were spectacular.
Before I begin, I want to say that this typed out protocol is just a base. It is to give you a base to work from/with. Everybody is different. Some people will need more or less carbs and amino acids. This is based on the amount of insulin that they are using and how their bodies react. This is why I gave a range for the supplements and insulin doses. You will need to adjust it based on how you react. For the carbohydrates, always start high, and lower it accordingly, once you get the feel of it.
We start off by taking our HGH, and give it a few minutes to get circulating, before we add our insulin. The idea behind this, is to make sure that the HGH passes the liver while we have a substantial amount of insulin in the body. This is how we produce large IGF-1 spikes. After the workout, we go home and take our IGF-1LR3. We are taking this to increase our insulin sensitivity, and to help use up any of those receptors that we have not filled. I could go more into detail, but if you are using this protocol, you should already know all about the drugs, and should be able to put it together yourself.
- -30 min prior to workout: Take 10iu HGH subq
- -15 min prior to workout: Take 6-16iu Novalog subq
- -10 min prior to workout: Drink shake #1
- -After every working set: Sip on shake #2, and finish by end of workout
- -Go home
- -Take 100mcg of the IGF-1lr3 (for it's insulin sensitizing effects)
- -Take down shake #3
- -Done..now you are huge
Ok, now what is in the shakes...
Shake 1: 10-20g EAA's orPeptoPro (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WJQA6W?ie=UTF8&tag=bodybuildinol-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000WJQA6W), 40-60g Low DE Maltodextrin, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate, 200mg Caffeine (or pre-workout powdered mix of choice in place of caffeine)
Shake 2: 10-20g EAA's orPeptoPro (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WJQA6W?ie=UTF8&tag=bodybuildinol-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000WJQA6W), 50-100g Dextrose, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate
Shake 3: 2 cups pasteurized egg whites, 1 cup dry oats, 1 banana or 1 cup blueberries (I prefer them to be frozen), splenda or stevia
*There is no need for a supplemented post workout shake because your glycogen will not be depleted, and you will have been ingesting aminos the whole time too. So dense whole food calories with low fat content, are going to be the best option here. So we throw it in a blender and take it down.
Now, I would like to advise you cheap-skates, not to go out and buy the cheapest ingredients that you can find. Please pick quality supplements. It does and will make a difference. Spend the extra 2$ and buy some quality shit, or your results may be skewed. Thinks about it this way: Your body is a Lamborghini. Would you fill your tank with low grade octane from Costco? No, of course not, it would run like shit. So use quality supplements, not bulk junk crap, and your results will be that much better!
Supplement idea for those of you who need to be pointed in the right direction:
EAA's: Champion Nutrition makes a good EAA product that has creatine in it, and also one that has caffeine too. It's called Amino Shooter. There are 3 versions. None are a proprietary blend, and they are made with pharmacy grade aminos.
PeptoPro: This can be used in place of the EAA's. It is a high quality peptide/EAA product made from hydrolyzed casein. Different companies buy PeptoPro and flavor it. One brand I have tried that is flavored is MAP by Primordial Performance.
Low DE Maltodextrin: This means Low Dextrose Equivalency. The lower the equivalence, the more complex of a chain it is, and the slower it will break down into a sugar. A couple good ones are Carb Complex by Nutek, and Cytocarb 2 by Cytosport. If corn maltodextrins give you stomach problems, then other water soluble carbohydrates like Karbolyn can work. They just tend to be expensive, and do the same exact thing. F25Some people that have used this protocol with success, have actually used dextrose in place of the maltodextrin due to stomach problems.
Dextrose: Yes, you can find this anywhere, but I prefer AST's DGC because it also contains vitamins.
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate: Well, the name says it all. Any brand that uses Creapure as the source of their creatine monohydrate, should be just fine. I use Bioplex.
*Do not use cheap starch carbs, like waxy maize, in the shakes. The carbs need to be water soluble and easily digested. By keeping them soluble, they help pull the aminos in.
I decided to throw this protocol together after I had my leg surgery, in hopes of gaining some abnormal amounts of muscle back that I had lost. I can tell you that I did, and this protocol works better than any protocol I have ever used. I started off at 204 - 205lb, and ended up at 234 after 4-5 weeks! I was taking anabolics on the side, but I guarantee that amount of insane weight, that fast, was not from the long estered steroids I was taking. I literally filled out instantly. When I dropped the insulin, I only lost a few pounds of water, and retained most, if not all, of my strength. So the gains were very solid, and not just a bunch of glycogen storage.
I do not want to post this on the open forums because there are too many idiot kids out there that will attempt this protocol in hopes of becoming an instant monster (which wont happen for them), and they will mess it up somehow. Maybe by being stupid, maybe by cutting corners, maybe by using cheap ingredients. Who knows? I don't need people hurting themselves, or not having good results, and them coming back and complaining. Even though they were the ones cutting corners!
So, there it is boys. Some people are paying big money for this type of info. It's nothing special. It's just different, but it makes sense and it works.
*Added note: Since this protocol was designed and posted, a handful of advanced users have tried it as part of their bulking regime. They have also had great success.

Jaggs91
01-16-2019, 08:34 AM
Great info.. looking forward to my first go with slin and gh. Ive used gh without slin a couple times but have been wanting to try it out

Ironman 580
08-07-2019, 11:44 PM
after reading for months on insulin i got my humalog and about to start a 5u postwkout to see how it goes then bump it up to 2x5u daily just still cant get straight what carb to eat after injection i know 50 grams carbs but what should i eat or drink trying to make it as simple as possible?would 50g carbs from orange juice be good i want to do this correctly