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STEROID
12-09-2011, 06:09 PM
Something most of us know already but good to see another study on it.

Study shows clomiphene is suitable for hormone therapy

Young men who produce too little testosterone may be better off using an anti-oestrogen like clomiphene citrate instead of synthetic testosterone. Endocrinologists at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York came to this conclusion after analysing cases of 86 men who had tried out this alternative form of hormone therapy.

The big disadvantage to prescribing testosterone is clear: if men produce too little testosterone, usually their pituitary is producing too little LH, the hormone that stimulates the production of testosterone in the testes. And the production of LH is regulated by yet another hormone, GnRH.


The hypothalamus makes less GnRH as the receptors in the gland 'notice' more testosterone and its metabolites in the blood. And in particular, the female sex hormone estradiol, which is produced as testosterone is converted, reduces the secretion of GnRH.

So what happens if you give synthetic testosterone to a man who makes too little of his own testosterone? His testosterone production stops completely. So that's not an optimal solution.

An alternative to testosterone therapy is to administer an anti-oestrogen like clomiphene citrate, the active ingredient in Clomid. The clomiphene molecule attaches itself to the estradiol receptor and prevents estradiol from doing its work. As a result, the hypothalamus produces more GnRH, the pituitary more LH and the testes produce more testosterone.

The men in the New York study were aged between 22 and 37. They were given clomiphene for an average of 19 months. Seventy percent of them took 25 mg every other day; the rest took 50 mg every other day.

The table below shows that the concentration of free testosterone rose by more than a factor of 5 as a result of the clomiphene administration. The men's estradiol levels also rose, but none of them started to form breasts. It would have been strange if they had done from using clomiphene.

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The men reported that they felt better when asked the same questions that doctors usually ask of patients who have had testosterone therapy. In the tables above, where the P is less than 0.05, the effects are statistically significant. The effects on the men's sports performance were strongest.

"Clomiphene citrate is an effective and safe alternative to testosterone supplementation therapy in hypogonadal men", the researchers conclude. "Clomiphene citrate therapy has a role to play in the testosterone deficient man and should be incorporated into the clinician-patient discussion."

Source:
BJU Int. 2011 Nov 1. doi: 10.1111/j.1464-410X.2011.10702.x. [Epub ahead of print].

bang
03-17-2012, 10:42 PM
so does that mean if you are in your late 50's and you are on a cycle, since you are in the same situation as these men, then Clomiphene citrate will give you the same results...of course not the nominal values of test when all systems are brought back online, RIGHT??

STEROID
03-18-2012, 03:26 PM
so does that mean if you are in your late 50's and you are on a cycle, since you are in the same situation as these men, then Clomiphene citrate will give you the same results...of course not the nominal values of test when all systems are brought back online, RIGHT??


I would say no.its not the same.While on cycle,you production will be completely shut off due to the over abundance of test in your system.While these mens production was just diminished,but not completely shut off.The clomid is helping to block the effects of estradial so the test your body IS producing can work more efficiently.

Now im no doctor or chemist or scientist ( I don't even play one on tv) but thats my take on it.Not stating that my theory is fact so take it for what its worth.

bang
03-18-2012, 10:40 PM
got it. I believe that is a logical assertation I would make also. The restoration of hormone levels are the main objective here not the fact that in 50 yro it is significantly diminished, RIGHT?

STEROID
03-18-2012, 11:20 PM
got it. I believe that is a logical assertation I would make also. The restoration of hormone levels are the main objective here not the fact that in 50 yro it is significantly diminished, RIGHT?

Yes,the "NATURAL" restoration.Not that caused from exogenous test use.

ShortnWide
03-19-2012, 03:30 AM
Good read. Nice to have the chart as proof of the levels.