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Zeus-Sr
01-20-2018, 04:03 AM
PLEASE HELP ME

I am a member of BOP but my fiance isn't so I wanted to ask this question in this forum for her. She was a former fitness model in her 20s but now she is 47 and while she looks incredible for her age and is very fit, she herself is not happy with the way she looks as for the first time in years, she has gained some fat the last 6 months with no change in diet, workout regimen or lifestyle. Not a lot but definitely like 7 lbs. Her lean muscle is definitely bigger than it was a year ago but under her subcutaneous fat - she is getting frustrated because she can't see it. Maybe because of stress at work in a new position she might have increased cortisol levels but aside from that nothing is different.

I am about to put her on a program that I think would be good but then again it might be good for a man and not a women so I would really appreciate the input of experienced ladies over 40 on what we should do to get her to reach her goals before summer. While I am a trainer and I am very experienced, I really need the help of another woman because she will do anything I recommend and I do not steer her wrong. She is such a great person that my gift to her is to get her to her vision for herself. At this point I am thinking I need to get her thyroid checked out but I don't understand what is happening with her.

Her stats

47 years old
5'7
125 lbs was her weight for years till Sep of 2017 and its now 134 lbs
Body fat level - 20%
Objective - gain some lean muscle and reduce her body fat - not really scale focused - We have a goal for her to get to where she wants by summer. In terms of the PEDs - she is very feminine and does not want to lose that with whatever I give her - but is open see below
She is showing no signs of pre menopause or menopause in any way

Our workouts - I train her - see below

-Weights - we do a push / leg / pull format - each body part gets worked out twice a week but we make sure we do not overtrain
-Cardio - spin class 4 days a week - and tread mill 2 days a week (her body fat is always lower when she is doing intense cardio)

Diet - clean - we track her macro nutrients. Mostly lean meats/poultry/fish for protein and whey protein, good fats with each meal that does not have carbs, and carbs sparingly and only before and after intense physical activity. So probably 50% protein, 30% carb and 20% fat. We never mix carbs and fat.

Supplements - where I need input also. Obviously Whey protein, Actyl Glutathione, MCT Oil

A few months ago - we had her on anavar (low dose 10 mg) and that SARM Cardarine (which I am still not confident that it helps with fat loss) - I am still baffled that with a clean diet and intense work out that she saw no benefit.

Right now - she started clen 2 weeks ago first at 20 mcg then 40 mcg and now we are bumping to 60 mcg and she has seen no loss - after 2.5 weeks I thought that she should see something - but she has not lost anything and her diet/training is the same. This clen is from a BOP sponsor so I know its g2g. I don't understand that.

She trusts me and did an oral - Anavar - because I recommended it but not really looking to jump into injectables at least right now. But she would take Anavar again assuming its not at a dose that cause virilization.

She is open in a few years to do HGH but not yet - she would try Sermorelin / GHRP 2 right now and based on my results with a BOPs sponsor's IGF-1 she might try that. I just don't know if Sermorelin/GHRP 2 does anything and if IGF 1 is good for a woman. I am not a believer in the Sermorelin/GHRP2 but that is me.

I would love her to try a little of my primo but she is not ready but she is fine doing another anavar run maybe just a tad higher - 20 mg

This is what I am thinking

Clen - on an off every 2 weeks at least through February
Ostarine on February and March then Off (I am still not 100% sold that it really works but willing to try)
Anavar - 6 weeks of 20 mg starting April
Sermorelin/GHRP 2 starting February
IGF 1 - May (I am still not 100% sold this is the right thing especially for a woman with her objectives)

With what I said what would you suggest - I would welcome any input of woman of comparable age and fitness. Work out regimen, diet, PED, supplements. etc. I really don't care if you say anything negative - be upfront but please direct me.

Thx

Skippypharma
01-20-2018, 04:27 AM
Has she used AAS in the past brother? Sometimes abit more work in the gym & to cut calories abit more first could be the best option rather then going down the anabolic path.

Thanks
TEAM GENPHARMA


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Zeus-Sr
01-20-2018, 04:32 AM
Like I said she did 4 weeks of Anavar 10 mg. Her gym work out is strong and her calories are down but the macronutrient breakdown is right. How can someone working out and doing spin 5 days a week on reduced calories taking clen not lose weight. Shouldnt she have lost a few pounds after 2.5 weeks. Its baffling to me. We will have a great week of work outs and strict adherance to the diet and she is up 1 lb.

Zeus-Sr
01-20-2018, 04:42 AM
I would prefer that she doesn’t do PEDs or AAS. I also want to get her off Clen as soon as possible. If she can get back to a lean 125 lbs - I would keep her natural except for an anti aging dosage of hgh.

Skippypharma
01-20-2018, 04:48 AM
I wouldn't normally recommend people to use DNP
But it sounds like that could be the best option for her.

Also depends on the quality off the AAS your using.
Def should have dropped some weight after 2.5 weeks


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Zeus-Sr
01-20-2018, 04:51 AM
exactly

Couchlockd
01-21-2018, 06:33 PM
exactlyYou'd rather her use dnp over a mild aas??!?!?

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bulk_cut
01-21-2018, 09:38 PM
That was a lot to read so I just skimmed over it and got the just. Stop everything she's doing and taking and have her get a COMPLETE hormone panel done. I'm talking every hormone possible that could affect women. That's where the problem is.

Zeus-Sr
01-21-2018, 09:40 PM
No I would never give her dnp - I was agreeing that she should have lost weight on the Clen by now. She weighed in today and again it’s up - it makes no sense.

I am fine with AAS for myself but I really do not want her taking any AAS. We tried 10 mg of anavar with the SARM like cardarine and saw no benefit. Her diet was dialed in and workout regimen was great.

not ready for her to start growth maybe mk667 but I do not want her to bloat in any way and haven’t seen any female logs on mk677

i am thinking about adding a ghrh/GHRP. I do want to
get her thyroid and cortisol levels checked out

Zeus-Sr
01-21-2018, 09:42 PM
She is not taking any hormones right now - anavar was stopped last summer and it was for 4 weeks at mg. Nothing from then until 2.5 weeks ago with the Clen and she is only at 40 mcg. Clen is the only thing she is on right now is Clen

joko123
01-21-2018, 10:18 PM
That was a lot to read so I just skimmed over it and got the just. Stop everything she's doing and taking and have her get a COMPLETE hormone panel done. I'm talking every hormone possible that could affect women. That's where the problem is.

If she’s doing everything the same and she’s not getting the same reaction her body is telling it’s time for a break as bulk cut said


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