Adding Mast E to a Test / Tren Cycle

[NbleSavage]

Low dose cycle all-round (the 'Blast' will be closer to some blokes 'Cruise' levels, lol :)

How and at what dosage would you add Mast to this cycle? (cycle goals being lean gains, recovery, et. al)

> > > "Blast" (16 Weeks) Test E 250 Mg / Tren E 250 Mg / Mast E ??? Mg
> > >
> > > "Cruise" (8 weeks?) Test E 125 Mg / + ???

Cheers!

- Savage

[Rmewrench]

Are these doses weekly??

[NbleSavage]

Are these doses weekly??

You got it, weekly doses totaling 250 Mg Test E / 250 Mg Tren E (split into 2 pins of 125 mg in each case)

[Rmewrench]

You got it, weekly doses totaling 250 Mg Test E / 250 Mg Tren E (split into 2 pins of 125 mg in each case)

For your blast,honestly with the exception of the test, I dont think youre going to see any benifit from running such a low dose of tren e. Everyones body is different, but the min is usually around 400mg a week. Mast I'd say between 300-400mg a week also, usually 600mg a week and higher doesnt get any better results than 400mg. I would cruise on test alone.

[rghtnow]

I agree with the above post and the test isn't that far off a trt dose so i wouldn't expect anything from that either.....have you had any blood work done to see what your test number is? what if your already low like in the low 100's then if you run 250mg wk your only going to see yourself in the high end of normal range...... so i don't see any "Extra" benefit in the gym...you'll end training as if you were natural without the aide of extra test in your system....honestly i can understand your desire to not use anything you consider "High" but a dose of 250mg could end up giving you nothing

[NbleSavage]

Cheers, all. Good feedback. Bloodwork is about a year old & needs updating. I was low (as in nearly off the charts low) - hence the TRT dose but am obviously looking to go beyond that now.

Good feedback re: cruise on Test only. That makes sense.

Re: Tren @ 400 Mg per week - any concer over sides at that level? Would you run any cycle support?

[Rmewrench]

Cheers, all. Good feedback. Bloodwork is about a year old & needs updating. I was low (as in nearly off the charts low) - hence the TRT dose but am obviously looking to go beyond that now.

Good feedback re: cruise on Test only. That makes sense.

Re: Tren @ 400 Mg per week - any concer over sides at that level? Would you run any cycle support?

If your blood work last year showed your test levels low, I would consider running 200mg a week of test. My script is for 200mg a week and that puts me in the top end of the test range. I dont know how many cycles you have under your belt, I take it this is your first run with tren, if so 400mg is a good starting point with a trt dose of test you should see min sides. I would definetly have caber or brami on hand. Tren causes prolactin gyno and the caber will knock that down, caber or brami will also help if you experience tren dick, for me I just cant finish while on tren, but I wont run caber just becuase of that. Night sweats, insomnia, dreams, all that you'll have to access while your on and see if you can tolerate it. IMO when I get the sides, I know I have good gear. There is a post in another thread about a guy that ran trt dose of test with 800mg of tren and sides were min for him. My next run with tren I plan on running high dose of tren with trt dose of test.

[NbleSavage]

Cheers, Rmewrench. My first run with Tren, true. Test only cycles before this. I'll add some caber to the regimen. Any tips on dosing?

I've heard similar re: Tren sides and will most def look to minimize them (but am prepared to live with them within reason for sake of the benefits).

At 200 Mg Test per week and 400 Mg Tren per week (plus Mast - for sake of discussion lets say also at 400 Mg weekly), the Test is basically just to reduce the Tren sides, yes? (eg. hard shut-down) Said differently, I'd not expect any gains from the Test at those levels - just form the Tren & Mast.

I'll research the TRT-dose + Tren thread also - thanks Mate!

[Rmewrench]

.25mg or .5mg of caber 2-3 times a week is a good starting point.

[SFGiants]

Obviously you have some learning to do as we all do I still and will always continue to ask because I'd rather sound or look stupid then do stupid and pay the price.

Masteron is great stuff and should IMO be a staple to every cycle no matter what your body fat is and don't buy into that if your not lean enough Mast is a waste talk that is talk of a person that don't know Masteron.

Only issue with mast is the PRICE and is why most don't add it.

Masteron with help utilized the Test E your running much better and it acts in a sense of an AI but it's not an AI and what I mean is it keeps bloat away by water reduction and none of these or just for the very learn it's for everyone oh and last but not least it aids in strength also.

Masteron is a very very mild compound also and my only issue is Mast E takes quit a bit of time to get going and is why my preference is Mast P.

I have never ran Test as high as I am right now with no blood pressure issues the Masteron has kept it at 120/80 no bullshit either it's what was also when I donated blood last week.

Masteron is not going to give amazing strength gains either.

Masteron is like Proviron and give you a boosted sex drive. (forgot to add that part)

I need no Arimidex with Masteron with this cycle and never felt less bloat.

You should read up on it!

[SFGiants]

By the way I'm what I am running now and have been for about 5 weeks for a 16 weeker is:

Test Phenylpropionate 900mg week
Test C 750mg week
Masteron Propionate 600mg week

No bloat no higher blood pressure although both is diet depending also so don't think you can eat like total shit and have the same effects.

[NbleSavage]

Great post SFGiants re: Mast, how it works and how to incorporate it into a cycle! Keeping BP low / managed is a priority for me (I assume for everyone). This is precisely the type of first-hand experience I was looking for. Props too for dispelling the common myths regarding "Mast only works at sub-ten percent BF", etc!

Cheers, Rmewrench for the tips of dosing the caber! I'll incorporate this protocol, no worries.

[SFGiants]

Great post SFGiants re: Mast, how it works and how to incorporate it into a cycle! Keeping BP low / managed is a priority for me (I assume for everyone). This is precisely the type of first-hand experience I was looking for. Props too for dispelling the common myths regarding "Mast only works at sub-ten percent BF", etc!

Cheers, Rmewrench for the tips of dosing the caber! I'll incorporate this protocol, no worries.

Your welcome bro, I don't think I want to run a cycle without it anymore and I try to keep it in stock like if it was an AI so I don't run out.

I didn't mention how it works like Proviron in sex drive, I have not done Proviron but a friend thinks Masteron is stronger in that aspect but I can not confirm that without ever running Proviron.

[NbleSavage]

Missus Savage will be pleased (and tired) to hear this news :)

Cheers!

[SFGiants]

Also if it's your 1st cycle and you haven't bought shit yet I would strongly suggest you get some Tren Ace to start off with so you can stop fast if it starts to go in a bad direction for you.

Rule of thumb is to run Tren Ace for 6 weeks tops and to do so on 1st cycle.

[NbleSavage]

Also if it's your 1st cycle and you haven't bought shit yet I would strongly suggest you get some Tren Ace to start off with so you can stop fast if it starts to go in a bad direction for you.

Rule of thumb is to run Tren Ace for 6 weeks tops and to do so on 1st cycle.

I did purchase Tren E (not A) already - too quick on the trigger, too over-anxious perhaps :)

That said, I'm going to scale into a normal dose and will start slow so as to get a feel for how it effects me. 150 Mg per week for starters, spread over 2 pins @ 75 mg each. If this goes well, in two weeks I'll increase to 200 Mg per week (still spread over two pins @ 100 Mg each) and then after a month I'll bump to the full 250 Mg per week. Idea was less pinning and only 2 pins total each week (each pin containing the entire stack of test / tren / mast). With the slower ester though, your point is well-taken: might take longer to clear my system if I decide I need to abort. I'll be monitoring closely for negative / intolerable sides.

Mast levels then I'll start at 400 Mg per week (is Mast E so 200 Mg over 2 pins weekly).

Test E (is actually C) will keep at 250 Mg weekly (125 Mg over 2 pins weekly).

Total cycle then will look like this (totals are weekly)

> > > "Blast" (16 Weeks) Test C 250 Mg / Tren E 250 Mg / Mast E 400 Mg
> > >
> > > "Cruise" (8 weeks) Test C 125 Mg

[SFGiants]

I also hope this is not your very 1st cycle because Tren on 1st cycle is a no no!

[NbleSavage]

I also hope this is not your very 1st cycle because Tren on 1st cycle is a no no!

Good lookin-out, SFGiants. No, not my first rodeo. I've run multiple Test only cycles up to now with good results. First time with Tren though, spot-on. Will take it slow and monitor closely.

Cheers, Friend!