Testosterone help/advice!!!!!

[Uavtbss]

What’s up guys and gals!
Im new here and was referred by a good friend in the body building community
i am need of some advice/help with testosterone
i am 35
6 foot
240lbs
about teo
years ago I had my levels checked and I was around 580
i recently had them checked again and I’m in low 200’s !!!!!
i am feeling tired and loss of appetite and sex drive
not losing weight after change in diet and more water consumption
doctor wanted to put me on androgel but I refused
I am wanting to do injections but not sure a safe or correct amount to start with?
I plan on doing as much reading on here as possible but Amy help input or what to look for or vendor to use for what will help me .
i appreciate your time and thanks for letting me join this awesome group!

[Delta5]

I guess u are going to self administer...
good starting point is kinda hard to say, not sure what your weight is up to but your E2 (estrogen) is surely above range....that being said, I would start off with 150 to 175/wk....most will say 200/wk but when I run 200/wk my E2 is barely out of range and I like in the 20's....Ive dialed it back to 175/wk Prop daily pins and haven't done bloods at this dose but feel great, horny as fuuuuuuck (libido is almost a pain n the ass) and feel its deff more around my likes. Sooo...start low and see...then go up as needed. U may need to monitor/deal with your E2 at any dose (with an AI)....my goal is to get my dose where I don't need an AI.
Use privatemd labs, start low, get bloods and go from there. Everyone reacts and handles doff compounds, etc so different...your best teacher will be you. Keep a log of doses, how u feel, etc.
IMO Prop/daily pins with 25G 5/8 in alternating delts, etc, will keep your levels most stable (less chance the need for an AI also), it mimics the bodies release of natural test more than any other protocol.
Take your time, keep a log, if u do use an AI, don't make too many moves...adjust, give it plenty of time to settle down...see how u feel.

[Delta5]

Ok I see your weight/stats...pretty young but deff low levels. Youre already ahead of the learning curve knowing that the gel is shit...injections are the way to go. Good luck man, youll feel so much better. If using cyp or E split your pins into 2 twice a week minimum.....prop would be daily or eod (daily would be best)

[Uavtbss]

Delta5 thank you for your response
I am not sure my estrogen levels
also excuse me but what is AI? Lol
I know my insurance will cover injections for around 60 a month
I have not discussed with my doctor yet about how mich she would want me on for injection
but yeah I heard gel doesn’t work well and possibly causes cancer or other issues.....

[Uavtbss]

Also let me state I am on blood pressure meds cause my blood pressure is elevated
high bp runs in my family so....... plus I feel I’m over weight and I use to smoke so that’s not helping any of this
but my concern is taking testosterone going to counter act the bp meds and out me at a higher risk for a stroke/heart attack
or will it react with the meds badly

[11B410thMTN]

If I were you I’d see a endo your level is low enough to get TRT. I am my numbers for TT we’re 36 and 49 and I’m 29. If you want to self administer my protocol is test cypionate 200mg a week I split it 100mg every three days and take .25 armidex every three days and 250ius of HGC a week. You can always start low like 100mg see how you feel that’s what I did. My best advice see a doctor. I have been here for few months and still learning things and makes me wish I knew this earlier.


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[11B410thMTN]

I am not sure on BP meds I would just see a endo your low enough.


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[vzzbks]

Welcome to BoP! Your friend did you a favor sending you here. Let me play devils advocate.
Before you go down the trt road you should get another blood test. Get it done while fasted and before 9am. No alcohol the night before. Get total and free testosterone and LH/FSH levels checked.
Have you tried PCT to boost natural testosterone levels? Maybe clomid/nolva with ZMA for a few weeks would help. What is your body fat percentage?

[bigeyed]

Welcome to BoP! Your friend did you a favor sending you here. Let me play devils advocate.
Before you go down the trt road you should get another blood test. Get it done while fasted and before 9am. No alcohol the night before. Get total and free testosterone and LH/FSH levels checked.
Have you tried PCT to boost natural testosterone levels? Maybe clomid/nolva with ZMA for a few weeks would help. What is your body fat percentage?Yep, I'd second this. Get another test and post it up here. Make sure to black out any personal information. We'll take a look and let you know what we think. Test levels can be affected by bad sleep, higher body fat, taking opioids, pot and other things like that. I'm all for cycling but wait until you absolutely have to before going on trt. You might be there already. Any choice you make is cool. You're welcome here anyway you want to do it. Welcome brother.

[sumguy]

I would suggest seeing a TRT/HRT specialist either via online on in person before attempting any attempts at self medication. Sometimes you can do more harm than good self-medicating. I mean respectfully, if you don't know what and AI is, and there is nothing wrong with that, I would recommend seeing a TRT specialist first. And once you start to understand what there is to know about TRT and maintaining your hormonal balances, then you can start exploring with your newly learned knowledge and experiences.

Once you see a TRT specialist and they do a series of labs they can best advise were your problems lie and how to correct them. It may be that you can get by on Clomid or HCG mono-therapy to get your T levels into a more optimum range. I would suggest trying this route before going full on TRT. At age 35 unless there is something seriously wrong with you HPTA, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to get your T levels into a more optimum range with Clomid or HCG mono-therapy.

Excelmale.com is a good TRT forum if you want to learn more about specific approaches to TRT. Good luck!

[Zeus-Sr]

You don't want to start treating yourself until you have nailed down the reason your test levels are low. I would see a trt dr at first to determine the blood levels for T, FT and estrogen and to rule out things - some guys might have low Free Test levels because their estrogen levels are high. In this case an AI to start would mostly help. Also, a dr can help you determine if there is another reason for your low t levels - could be high cortisol. Choose an informed dr - most are not that informed about TRT and protocols.

Your 35 which unless you harmed your HPTA from heavy AAS use - is pretty young to start TRT and be stuck on it for the next 50 years.

[Couchlockd]

yes see doctor. might take a few to get a good knowledgeable man

[Uavtbss]

Hey guys
thanks so much for all the advice and responses
I found an awesome younger urologist and he took my CBC and testerone and I got a call today
about my results
everything was normal except testosterone was 380
so he suggested I use the pellet but I declined and requested I do injections
so once script is sent over I’ll begin this chapter
i need to discuss with him about concerns of ai and how he plans to handle that

[Bplebo75]

You don't want to start treating yourself until you have nailed down the reason your test levels are low. I would see a trt dr at first to determine the blood levels for T, FT and estrogen and to rule out things - some guys might have low Free Test levels because their estrogen levels are high. In this case an AI to start would mostly help. Also, a dr can help you determine if there is another reason for your low t levels - could be high cortisol. Choose an informed dr - most are not that informed about TRT and protocols.

Your 35 which unless you harmed your HPTA from heavy AAS use - is pretty young to start TRT and be stuck on it for the next 50 years.You are right I was put on it at 35 because of using a bad pro hormone just one cycle. Of course it's not on the market it no more finn flex ripped...bad stuff

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[madhungarian]

I would suggest you follow the docs orders on dosage , initially at least. Let him do blood work a couple times and see how your body reacts to test. I'm one year into trt and I'll probably be dropping my doc at my next appt. I've found that 175mgs ew is perfect for me. I feel great on it, and no sides or E issues. At 200mgs ew my E starts climbing and I have to take an AI. If your doc mentions monthly or biweekly injections, do not agree. You'll be on a hormonal roller-coaster and feel worse han before. Him suggesting that would also show a lack of knowledge on the subject. He's your doc, you pay him, make him work for your needs so that you feel the best you can. Good luckbrotha.

[Delta5]

Defy Medical would be your best bet....other than an anti-aging clinic. Your chances of finding a competent Dr are nil (however u might have with your urologist)....endos aren't much more competent than gen practitioners.

[Couchlockd]

oh pellets . no way.injections are better

[BRINGER OF RAIN]

Id listen to your doctor. You'll get bloodwork, pharma grade gear, and be healthy. There are other drs., if you want injections, find one that wants to start there. But if you insist on self medicating, id start low, maybe 125mg a week and adjust by the way you feel from there. I'm 40 and cruise at 200 mg a week. that's my comfort zone and where I feel the best. Good luck.

[Delta5]

Injections are the only way!!

High BP is not genetically passed down in the falily...whatever is CAUSING the high BP is passed down. (High/low) BP is an adaptation (no, its not a disease)....it regulates NEEDED oxygenated blood to our organs. When there is an issue with yourself that is restricting proper blood flow to your organs, your BP regulates that by...going UP, to keep giving your organs the NEEDED amount of oxygenated blood. BP meds are a sham (yeah yeah, I know Ill hear it....don't care)...as usually, its all about $$, not health. Ask your Dr, why in the world am I restricting proper blood flow to my organs by taking BP lowering drugs. Then youll hear how high BP damages the arterial wall, etc etc.....not, it doesn't, a toxic lifestyle damages the arterial wall, among other things. Remember, 95% of meds do not HEAL a damn thing, they relieve a symptom. There is no reason a person should be taking meds for the rest of their life...they are NOT vitamins, they are not for maintenance...they should only be used in an emergency or when the symptom is too much to deal with.

[Delta5]

Good luck man, hated to seem harsh, but this issue has affected people close to me (meds for "health")
Find yourself a good doc, or self admin TRT. Research/cross reference BP meds, if it makes sense, get off them....if it seems the right thing to do, stay on them.
Peace

[Bplebo75]

If u can my Doc told me to do sub q..

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[Bplebo75]

oh pellets . no way.injections are betterI definitely agree pellets not good

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[darkprince]

My doc started me off on 100 mg and to fast forward, I'm now on 200 mg a week. I split mines into 2 shots a week to keep levels more stable. Also, I'm on aromasin, 6/25 every 3rd day.. I get bloods every three to six months. 200 weekly keeps me around the 1100 range, well at least when I get bloods. I would say because aromasin raise your free test as well as total test..

[lastcall]

I’d advise you to go the Dr route. Don’t bother with the cream. Tell your doctor you have a job that you sweat a lot and/or you don’t want to risk accidental exposure to girlfriend, wife, and/or child. Bi weekly injections divided the normal 150mg of test cyp. My initial trt dr prescribed me Arimidex at 1mg per week divided on injection days. My trt dr now advised me to try 6 months without taking it as he sees no need to. He said if I really wanted it he would sign a Rx for me. I feel no different and I’ll compare lab tests that will be taken in July. My main advise is to keep up your lab tests. Good luck.