HCG and Test

[ctmuscledad]

Anybody run Test and HCG together? I've read up on it, but all I come across are contradictory reports, yes it's good for XYZ reason, no it's not good for XYZ reasons...

If so, why? and what results have you seen?

I did speak with a guy at my former gym, he ran both for about a year, then discontinued the HCG and only runs test now....didn't really give me any specifics, just that he did it...( per his DOC, aka supplier lol)

Thanks.....

[Hatebreed]

sitationally dependant i would have to say. there are as you said contradictory schools of thought on this. ive always just ran it as post cycle, im not really concerend about my nuts being plump, but now that im on trt, i dont run it at all.
I would say that age would be one important factor? and if your on trt or plany on actually pct?

[ctmuscledad]

At my age, 50, 4 kids, 4 years on my own TRT, I don't plan to PCT unless I need to...I kinda fucked around running test from the get go, so now, the only way I feel it is when I run around 350 to 400 every 7 days....However, based on advice I picked up on here, I am thinking of lowering my dose and take a shot every three/four days for consistency in my T levels.....I have thought about a PCT/Off for 3 months, then jump back on at a lower dose and ride it out from there....not sure. I honestly don't think my shit will fire up giving my high doses and longevity of taking it.....

I'm a very honest person and have no problem saying I fucked up from the get go and should have cycled on and off, keeping doses low...But lack of research and listening to dudes say, just run as much as you want, who gives a fuck, unless you planning on having kids, then fuck it.

maybe others are in the same boat, be interested to hear your thoughts...I can't be the only test junky!!!lol...

[GurthQuake]

For PCT are usually run my first two weeks of anti-estrogen around 50 mg of Clomid a day along with 25 mg of Nolvadex each day this is what works for me after two weeks I then start hCG and I run about 500 to 750 µg a day for 14 days straight I’m 185 pounds so this is a protocol that works for me other guys may take more. I’m Four weeks off cycle right now and I have about three or four days left of hCG and I feel great my nuts are full and I’m still working out pretty hard just not as lean at the moment


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[GurthQuake]

The µg is an expression of micrograms


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[JMaxwell]

I am sure you already have....but just incase, make sure to read though the hcg threads on this site. I am older also, not 50 but over 40. I run my hcg on cycle with my test. 500 iu per week, split into two shots. 250iu Mon & Thurs. I am still new to this hobby so it could just be in my head...but I feel like I orgasm harder, and heavier running hcg... plus the nuts stay big and round. So for me it’s like , “I might not need it, but it has a positive effect and it’s not that expensive “. So I just run it.

[Onemorerep]

I've been on stuff for 15 years and my nuts shrank.i run 1,000 ius of hcg split into 2 dosages twice a week. Your nuts come back fully. Why not do that it's so cheap and effective.Who wants small nuts. I run 300mg of try test a week.my doctor wants me at the high end.i feel great.

[JJ14]

Anybody run Test and HCG together? I've read up on it, but all I come across are contradictory reports, yes it's good for XYZ reason, no it's not good for XYZ reasons...

If so, why? and what results have you seen?

I did speak with a guy at my former gym, he ran both for about a year, then discontinued the HCG and only runs test now....didn't really give me any specifics, just that he did it...( per his DOC, aka supplier lol)

Thanks.....Idk how you react to estrogen did you ever have issues? Do you take AI while on cycle? If you do decide to hop on hcg while on cycle it will def increase estro so I would have some sort of AI on hand. first time I did it I wasn't aware it would do that and was wondering what was wrong and didn't have sex drive cause made my E2 sky rocket. Just be careful

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[ctmuscledad]

Doing exactly what you stated, and yes I have AI on hand and just ordered my hcg to start asap....was thinking of 250iu's three times per week or maybe just do it with my test shot on monday and thursdays....thinking of taking my AI twice per week as well with it, just to be safe....also, getting blood work done soon..so I believe my hobby will be under control soon.....


Idk how you react to estrogen did you ever have issues? Do you take AI while on cycle? If you do decide to hop on hcg while on cycle it will def increase estro so I would have some sort of AI on hand. first time I did it I wasn't aware it would do that and was wondering what was wrong and didn't have sex drive cause made my E2 sky rocket. Just be careful

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[GurthQuake]

Anybody run Test and HCG together? I've read up on it, but all I come across are contradictory reports, yes it's good for XYZ reason, no it's not good for XYZ reasons...

If so, why? and what results have you seen?

I did speak with a guy at my former gym, he ran both for about a year, then discontinued the HCG and only runs test now....didn't really give me any specifics, just that he did it...( per his DOC, aka supplier lol)

Thanks.....

First time I got test from an actual doctor he put me on 2 IU’s of hCG a week or 500 mcg split into two doses of 250 each Monday and Thursday. That’s a 5000 MCG bottle with 2CC of Bac water. Then each IU is 250mcg. I personally liked it a lot get kept my nuts nice and full. Of course this was a dose of 250-500mg of test per week. More test than that and u may need to up your dose of HCGAnd in that case you have you’ll have to Do more research


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[bigpapapumpaf]

Using hcg while on cycle or trt will only allow your nut sack to regain its size. There are no other benefits to doing this. Once you decide to go the trt route and your body adjusts, your nut sack will regain its normal size.

BPP

[sumguy]

Doing exactly what you stated, and yes I have AI on hand and just ordered my hcg to start asap....was thinking of 250iu's three times per week or maybe just do it with my test shot on monday and thursdays....thinking of taking my AI twice per week as well with it, just to be safe....also, getting blood work done soon..so I believe my hobby will be under control soon.....

R. 250IU's of HCG twice a week is sufficient. The more HCG you use the higher your estrogen goes, the more of an AI you need. You can do your HCG with your Test shot just for convenience.

If you do an estrogen lab use the Estrodial Sensitive test its more accurate.

[sumguy]

[QUOTE=ctmuscledad;715130]At my age, 50, 4 kids, 4 years on my own TRT, I don't plan to PCT unless I need to...I kinda fucked around running test from the get go, so now, the only way I feel it is when I run around 350 to 400 every 7 days....

R. As stated previously running 350-400mg Test a week is definitely not TRT, but rather a continuous light cycle. Being on a cycle for 4 years straight makes it appear "iffy" if you could get your natural test back or not? Again, this is where a knowledgeable TRT specialist would be beneficial to see if he/she could get you back to normal with Clomid/HCG therapy or not? If not, then TRT would be recommended and dosages adjusted accordingly.

However, based on advice I picked up on here, I am thinking of lowering my dose and take a shot every three/four days for consistency in my T levels.....

R. True TRT is in the range of 200mg a week or less, usually less, using twice a week injections.

I have thought about a PCT/Off for 3 months, then jump back on at a lower dose and ride it out from there....not sure. I honestly don't think my shit will fire up giving my high doses and longevity of taking it.....

R. Don't speculate, I personally still think you would benefit from seeing a TRT specialist and doing a full lab panel to see what the best course of action would be for your particular situation. What works for one guy doesn't necessarily mean its going to work for you in your situation.

I'm a very honest person and have no problem saying I fucked up from the get go and should have cycled on and off, keeping doses low...But lack of research and listening to dudes say, just run as much as you want, who gives a fuck, unless you planning on having kids, then fuck it.

R. Listening to those 'Doods' put you in this predicament. Who really knows why you wanted to do Test in the first place w/o having done any labs? Its all speculation? You could've had a thyroid or any number of issues affecting your test/energy levels? This is why you should contact a professional TRT specialist. Granted there is money involved initially, but I think in the long run its best to be evaluated by a knowledgeable specialist. Rather than trying to self-medicate.

Once armed with the knowledge you get from you labs/TRT specialist or if you have any specific issues that need specific treatment or not, then you will be in a better position to choose to do things on your own.

Do you have health insurance that would cover TRT? If so, this is the route I would take.

You may find you could have specific issues that require a specific treatment, ie: high estrogen, prolactin, a pituitary issue, cortisol, etc., etc. Or that the only issue you had was as you stated. Just sayin better to be be safe than sorry.

[MasterBlaster805]

Been doing it for years along with my HRT with excellent results. Personally would Not run my test without it. Using 250 iu's of HCG every 3 days keeps my body looking & working like it should. Also allows me to drop my dosage of HRT Testosterone (when cruising) down into the 125-150 mgs per week range while still maintaining high libido, strength and lean muscle mass. I also run .5 Airimidex every 3 days and my bloods always come back in range for estradiol levels. A very important fact if you wanna live a long life.. Estrogen Balance and Aging Men - page 1 | Life Extension (http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2010/5/Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Critical-to-Aging-Men/Page-01)