which one ?

[helljak13]

im a beginner and ive been doing my research on both. but before in take the plunge and get my bloods done. i cant seem to find out one which do i start first... hgh or trt?.. i aways read threads where they have been doing both together for awhile but dont say which one they started first or both at the same time.

[Cowboymike]

Your bloods will answer your question brother... gotta see where you’re at before you can decide what’s best and even more importantly, how much to take...

Me personally, I started with trt... I researched the crap out of every compound I planned on putting in my body.. when, how, why, how much, take what with what... possible sides, expected sides, rare sides, how to combat the sides etc...

[Sqwuidd]

I would go TRT before GH - start pinning some test and ease into GH

You ever run cycles before ?
Any injections before ?
Ever run GH before ?

Lots of things unanswered that would help bros here help you out




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[German89]

Welcome..

Blood work to determine which route to take.

[JimmyMcFistacuff]

Welcome.

I'm with squidd. Start out once your bloods are in with trt dose.

Let rest get good and going(4 weeks). Do your research on gh(see igf/ser) then start low and run out past 6 mos.

Good luck and do research
(great bros here to help)


JMcF.



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[German89]

Welcome.

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When i see your name is see, JimmyMcFlannels.. lmao. Dont ask

[helljak13]

Thank you all for your input...deeply appreciated .. I was
going to go get my bloods done awhile back. but I held off and decided to research more before I hurt myself... But was trying to find out which to start with ..thats what was holding me back.. Ill go get my bloods done this coming week for trt. Then I'll see what's up with the results and go from there... Im 48 yrs old and have never taken anything before other than store bought supplements. .. Pre workout, creatine, bcaas, and vitamins thru out the years on and off ..

[LowT]

I would definitely start with TRT in your case. Let us know when you get results from the blood work.

[helljak13]

I would definitely start with TRT in your case. Let us know when you get results from the blood work.

been out of town for work . finally going to get bloods done this week. while i was gone i kept reading up. i have most of the symptoms of low t but still not sure if ill be eligible so i was going to go about it solo and because i have no insurance. but i came across a trt deal online from a place called royal mens medical center for a 195$ a month and it includes everything labs, physicals and medications. (wondering what your guys thought are on going that route?) ill find out if im eligible for trt or not after they take my bloods. plus i rather be supervised in the beginning and go about it the right way and not mess myself up til i go off on my own. if it turns out im not qualified then possibly the solo route.

[LowT]

Ok, good. I'm not familiar with that lab or the prices. I did see a lab mentioned over in the TRT forum this morning that got good reviews from a couple members. I'll check it out and get back to you with it. Good that you're going about it the right way.

Private MedLabs. Com

[helljak13]

ok got my blood report card now to learn how to read and understand it . but im sure those of you familar with these know what to look at

Patient Details
DOB: 03/26/1970
Age(y/m/d): 048/03/20
Gender: M SSN:
Patient ID:
Specimen Details
Date collected: 07/16/2018 0000 Local
Date received: 07/17/2018
Date entered: 07/17/2018
Date reported: 07/18/2018 1307 ET
Physician Details
Ordering:
Referring:
ID: RODRI,D
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Date Issued: 07/18/18 1502 ET FINAL REPORT Page 1 of 2
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Ordered Items
CBC With Differential/Platelet; Comp. Metabolic Panel (14); TSH Rfx on Abnormal to Free T4; Testosterone, Serum; Prostate-Specific
Ag, Serum; Estradiol; Venipuncture
TESTS RESULT FLAG UNITS REFERENCE INTERVAL LAB
CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 10.0 x10E3/uL 3.4 - 10.8 01
RBC 4.86 x10E6/uL 4.14 - 5.80 01
Hemoglobin 14.2 g/dL 13.0 - 17.7 01
Hematocrit 43.1 % 37.5 - 51.0 01
MCV 89 fL 79 - 97 01
MCH 29.2 pg 26.6 - 33.0 01
MCHC 32.9 g/dL 31.5 - 35.7 01
RDW 13.7 % 12.3 - 15.4 01
Platelets 241 x10E3/uL 150 - 379 01
Neutrophils 65 % Not Estab. 01
Lymphs 28 % Not Estab. 01
Monocytes 6 % Not Estab. 01
Eos 1 % Not Estab. 01
Basos 0 % Not Estab. 01
Neutrophils (Absolute) 6.6 x10E3/uL 1.4 - 7.0 01
Lymphs (Absolute) 2.8 x10E3/uL 0.7 - 3.1 01
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.6 x10E3/uL 0.1 - 0.9 01
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 x10E3/uL 0.0 - 0.4 01
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0 - 0.2 01
Immature Granulocytes 0 % Not Estab. 01
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0 - 0.1 01
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose 78 mg/dL 65 - 99 01
BUN 11 mg/dL 6 - 24 01
Creatinine 1.33 High mg/dL 0.76 - 1.27 01
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 63 mL/min/1.73 >59
eGFR If Africn Am 73 mL/min/1.73 >59
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 8 Low 9 - 20
Sodium 137 mmol/L 134 - 144 01
Potassium 4.1 mmol/L 3.5 - 5.2 01
1.00
1 Patient Report Specimen ID: 197-610-4792-0
DOB: 03/26/1970 Patient ID: Control ID: Date collected: 07/16/2018 0000 Local
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TESTS RESULT FLAG UNITS REFERENCE INTERVAL LAB
Chloride 101 mmol/L 96 - 106 01
Carbon Dioxide, Total 20 mmol/L 20 - 29 01
Calcium 9.3 mg/dL 8.7 - 10.2 01
Protein, Total 7.5 g/dL 6.0 - 8.5 01
Albumin 4.2 g/dL 3.5 - 5.5 01
Globulin, Total 3.3 g/dL 1.5 - 4.5
A/G Ratio 1.3 1.2 - 2.2
Bilirubin, Total 1.0 mg/dL 0.0 - 1.2 01
Alkaline Phosphatase 76 IU/L 39 - 117 01
AST (SGOT) 17 IU/L 0 - 40 01
ALT (SGPT) 26 IU/L 0 - 44 01
TSH Rfx on Abnormal to Free T4
TSH 1.460 uIU/mL 0.450 - 4.500 01
Testosterone, Serum 483 ng/dL 264 - 916 01
Adult male reference interval is based on a population of
healthy nonobese males (BMI <30) between 19 and 39 years old.
Travison, et.al. JCEM 2017,102;1161-1173. PMID: 28324103.
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 2.8 ng/mL 0.0 - 4.0 01
Roche ECLIA methodology.
According to the American Urological Association, Serum PSA should
decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical
prostatectomy. The AUA defines biochemical recurrence as an initial
PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater followed by a subsequent confirmatory
PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater.
Values obtained with different assay methods or kits cannot be used
interchangeably. Results cannot be interpreted as absolute evidence
of the presence or absence of malignant disease.
Estradiol 20.1 pg/mL 7.6 - 42.6 01
Roche ECLIA methodology
01 PDLCA LabCorp

[helljak13]

turns out im eligible . i just have to go take a physical today then wait for them to get back to me and send it out to me.