HCG on cycle or not?

[Micki420]

Im doing my first cycle soon at 500mg of test, so this is crucial for me. As most of us know, HCG has been discussed and some recommend to take it ON-CYCLE in 1 of 2 ways

first method:
weeks 1-14(off 3 days before pct) dosed at 250iu 2x a week.

second method:

weeks 11-14(off 3 days before pct) dozed at 250iu 2x a week.

my question:
while we all should know HCG should never be used In PCT. most suggest the first method from what I’ve seen, but I’ve read countless times, prolonging HCG usage can desensitize your body to LH since HCG mimics LH production.

SHOULD HCG BE USED ON CYCLE AT ALL?

IF SO, which method do you believe is best? The more I read I believe method 2 is best as it will cut the time you’re on hcg and mimic LH function and return balls to size prior to pct.

your input is welcomed and appreciated. Thank you!

[LowT]

Everyone's different. I used to run first method every cycle and all was good. And yes, I stopped 3-5 days prior to PCT.

[Micki420]

Everyone's different. I used to run first method every cycle and all was good. And yes, I stopped 3-5 days prior to PCT.

Thank you! The information you provide can help me and a lot of new users!
how is your recovery post-cycle without it?
did you ever see recovery take slightly longer after a couple cycles using it so much?

[CRC1276]

I wanna know who said to never use HCG in PCT? Terribly mistaken. And IMO HCG during cycle does nothing. Except MAYBE cosmetic reasons. Like making your nuts look big. But your still on cycle so it’s pointless. Again just my experience and I’ve only been doing this for 20 years so take it for what it is.


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[Micki420]

I wanna know who said to never use HCG in PCT? Terribly mistaken. And IMO HCG during cycle does nothing. Except MAYBE cosmetic reasons. Like making your nuts look big. But your still on cycle so it’s pointless. Again just my experience and I’ve only been doing this for 20 years so take it for what it is.


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HCG is not used in post cycle for many reasons. It sends LH signals to your balls, hence your body will not start to produce it on its own. It also aromatizes which can be an issue when u stop injecting and have no natty test. Another reason is, it prolongs recovery of natural HPTA.

”HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.”

With your experience, I’m trying to figure out if hcg use on cycle actually does help you recover faster when ur in pct? Have you noticed a recovery difference when you used it in cycle than not?

[LowT]

Thank you! The information you provide can help me and a lot of new users!
how is your recovery post-cycle without it?
did you ever see recovery take slightly longer after a couple cycles using it so much?

I started using AAS in winter of 1996. Basic Test E (Testosterona) at 500mgs EW just like recommended today. Gradually got into deca (3rd cycle) for a couple cycles, then got a little crazy for a few years.
Anyway, back then PCT consisted of creatine and hella reps. And I mean A LOT of reps, cleaner diet and cardio. I always bounced back really good and couldn't wait for another cycle. I can't remember exactly when I started using adex and HCG. It was about 10-12 years ago and I know I started them at the same time. I was turned onto these years the same two guys (Powerlifters, one a nurse and one an emt) that took care of me on the AAS and looked out for me. They told me what dosages to take, when to start, when to stop. Did everything they said, got bloods a few times, and all good.
I'm a guy that doesn't try to fix something that's not broken. Naturally though, when a gram of test with some deca I'll increase the dosage and go to EOD instead of e3d. And it works for me.
The only time I really dragged during PCT was when I ran extremely long cycles with several compounds. More is not always better.
My PCT(basic cycle):
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25

[CRC1276]

Honestly I have never used it on cycle. Only coming off. Along with Nolva and clamor I find my boys recover faster and I keep most of my gains. Again everyone is different though so I had to find what works best for me. I am very curious how it would work during a cycle. I’m actually going to be starting up again soon so maybe I’ll give it a shot and see what I experience. I just think a lot of what we do has to be what works best for us. Same with gh, some guys respond great with 2iu daily while others have to use more. Don’t be afraid to experiment. That’s what I’ve done and will continue to do. Of course there are some common sense rules so we don’t kill our self or ruin our natural hormone production for life.


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[Micki420]

I started using AAS in winter of 1996. Basic Test E (Testosterona) at 500mgs EW just like recommended today. Gradually got into deca (3rd cycle) for a couple cycles, then got a little crazy for a few years.
Anyway, back then PCT consisted of creatine and hella reps. And I mean A LOT of reps, cleaner diet and cardio. I always bounced back really good and couldn't wait for another cycle. I can't remember exactly when I started using adex and HCG. It was about 10-12 years ago and I know I started them at the same time. I was turned onto these years the same two guys (Powerlifters, one a nurse and one an emt) that took care of me on the AAS and looked out for me. They told me what dosages to take, when to start, when to stop. Did everything they said, got bloods a few times, and all good.
I'm a guy that doesn't try to fix something that's not broken. Naturally though, when a gram of test with some deca I'll increase the dosage and go to EOD instead of e3d. And it works for me.
The only time I really dragged during PCT was when I ran extremely long cycles with several compounds. More is not always better.
My PCT(basic cycle):
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25

LowT Thank you for your insight and experience through the years. This helps myself and new members alike. That is my current PCT as well with adding Mk2866 at 25/25/15/10 for 4 weeks.

When you were on HCG during cycle did you think you recovered faster Post cycle than you did without it during cycle?

[Micki420]

Honestly I have never used it on cycle. Only coming off. Along with Nolva and clamor I find my boys recover faster and I keep most of my gains. Again everyone is different though so I had to find what works best for me. I am very curious how it would work during a cycle. I’m actually going to be starting up again soon so maybe I’ll give it a shot and see what I experience. I just think a lot of what we do has to be what works best for us. Same with gh, some guys respond great with 2iu daily while others have to use more. Don’t be afraid to experiment. That’s what I’ve done and will continue to do. Of course there are some common sense rules so we don’t kill our self or ruin our natural hormone production for life.


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This is the hardest thing for a new user and wanting to start a cycle, the fear of experimenting and not knowing if its the best way. I am leaning towards doing HCG weeks 11-14(off 3 days before pct) I assume my balls with become plump again and it will be a faster transition going into recovery. Is that how you used it? last 2 weeks of cycle, then during the ester clearing 2 weeks?

[kubes]

I didn’t go through and read all the posts but if your planning to cycle and not cruse and blast then running hcg during your cycle will help with recovery because instead of your testies being completely shut down during the administration of exogenous test your testies will continue to function. Think of it like a car battery if you just st let it sit there it wears out faster then if your using it. Using a small amount of hcg like 250 is 2xew will have more benefit then not

[Micki420]

I didn’t go through and read all the posts but if your planning to cycle and not cruse and blast then running hcg during your cycle will help with recovery because instead of your testies being completely shut down during the administration of exogenous test your testies will continue to function. Think of it like a car battery if you just st let it sit there it wears out faster then if your using it. Using a small amount of hcg like 250 is 2xew will have more benefit then not

Sadly, my bact water hasn't come in yet and I wanted to start tomorrow...So, I was thinking just going with the route of getting on HCG week 11. to get my balls back to size prior to PCT. Have you tried that method at all?

[kubes]

Sadly, my bact water hasn't come in yet and I wanted to start tomorrow...So, I was thinking just going with the route of getting on HCG week 11. to get my balls back to size prior to PCT. Have you tried that method at all?

Just make your own bac water. I quick google search will show you how. It’s simple. You could do the method of hcg at the end of your cycle but why if you can do option one?

[LowT]

LowT Thank you for your insight and experience through the years. This helps myself and new members alike. That is my current PCT as well with adding Mk2866 at 25/25/15/10 for 4 weeks.

When you were on HCG during cycle did you think you recovered faster Post cycle than you did without it during cycle?

NP, anytime. I don't know anything about that MK2866. Well, the HCG, Nolva and Clomid were all added at the same time during same cycle and I continued to use it til I started blasting and cruising. But yes, recovery was much better.

[lundgren]

HCG are great for pct only if you stack with another compound, if your only on test enanthate or cypionate you need around 2 weeks to start the compound for stabilize the natural test.

For exemple
- first weeks with 1 injection every 3 days ( 3 weeks are good but everyone are different ) with HCG [emoji117] creat spade
- followed by 3-4 weeks with 3 injections per week of HMG [emoji117] to stimulate and stabilize the LH & FSH

But everyone is different, when i used nandrolone decanoate the pct was longer vs simply test / boldenone cycle for exemple.

Yes HCG aromatize a lot, some people use Nolvadex with stacked with creat success.

HCG is not used in post cycle for many reasons. It sends LH signals to your balls, hence your body will not start to produce it on its own. It also aromatizes which can be an issue when u stop injecting and have no natty test. Another reason is, it prolongs recovery of natural HPTA.

�HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.�

With your experience, I’m trying to figure out if hcg use on cycle actually does help you recover faster when ur in pct? Have you noticed a recovery difference when you used it in cycle than not?

[balin]

I have always used HCG during my cycle for the last 20 years. Seemed more sensible to keep something working then trying to restart it. There are many benifits besides just the cosmetic ones. Many people notice better moods, libido, it keeps the P450 pathway open for shuttling cholesterol down stream for making other hormones. It will give you a little more T as well in your system and maybe some E2 but not as much as the dosage of Test that most guys take does. At least according to the blood work I have had taken over the years.

[Johnjuanb1]

I remember dogcrapp saying a lot of pros he has worked with take HCG the night before their testosterone injection to keep their natural test production up. He said that’s key to getting huge, keeping your balls up.

[robthomas]

I run hcg every 3 days on my cycle and will only use hcg in my pct meaning I’m just continuing the hcg once all hormones clear I will continue the hcg for another month and slow lower the dose to nothing then right back to natural .


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[Micki420]

Just make your own bac water. I quick google search will show you how. It’s simple. You could do the method of hcg at the end of your cycle but why if you can do option one?

Well, as I’ve researched. Prolonged usage of Hcg. Above 8 weeks has the potential to desensitize your body to the production of LH. If I remember correctly, HCG tricks you brain to send signals to produce it in your body. As, prolonged useage it was stating that you body can have issues producing the signal on its own. I don’t know how much truth is in it, but it’s interesting to know the possibilities.

[Micki420]

HCG are great for pct only if you stack with another compound, if your only on test enanthate or cypionate you need around 2 weeks to start the compound for stabilize the natural test.

For exemple
- first weeks with 1 injection every 3 days ( 3 weeks are good but everyone are different ) with HCG [emoji117] creat spade
- followed by 3-4 weeks with 3 injections per week of HMG [emoji117] to stimulate and stabilize the LH & FSH

But everyone is different, when i used nandrolone decanoate the pct was longer vs simply test / boldenone cycle for exemple.

Yes HCG aromatize a lot, some people use Nolvadex with stacked with creat success.

Hcg should NEVER be administered within pct. yes, you can run an AI with clomid and Nolvadex to combat estrogen rebound, but Hcg can become suppressive. During pct it will prolong you recovery. It suppresses your natural LH and FSH during pct. so, this meaning, it only mimics LH and fsh. Your body thinks it’s already producing these hormones. Once u get off the Hcg and ur pct. LH and fsh will drop and you’ll recover on your own now. Best course of running Hcg is weeks 1-14 on a 12 weeks cycle. 250iu 2x EW and 2 weeks during your water clearance. Last injection 3-4 days before PCT.

[Micki420]

I run hcg every 3 days on my cycle and will only use hcg in my pct meaning I’m just continuing the hcg once all hormones clear I will continue the hcg for another month and slow lower the dose to nothing then right back to natural .


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i feel that is one of the better courses to take Hcg. From the beginning of cycle up until right before pct. have you looked into Hcg prolonged usage desensitizing LH?

[Micki420]

I remember dogcrapp saying a lot of pros he has worked with take HCG the night before their testosterone injection to keep their natural test production up. He said that’s key to getting huge, keeping your balls up.

My booty is a pin virgin. I think I’m going to mix the HCG and Test together on the same day. Maybe cause I’m a little bitch and the 23x1.5 LOOKS MASSIVE

[lundgren]

Hcg should NEVER be administered within pct. yes, you can run an AI with clomid and Nolvadex to combat estrogen rebound, but Hcg can become suppressive. During pct it will prolong you recovery. It suppresses your natural LH and FSH during pct. so, this meaning, it only mimics LH and fsh. Your body thinks it’s already producing these hormones. Once u get off the Hcg and ur pct. LH and fsh will drop and you’ll recover on your own now. Best course of running Hcg is weeks 1-14 on a 12 weeks cycle. 250iu 2x EW and 2 weeks during your water clearance. Last injection 3-4 days before PCT.So you know better than endocrinologist doctors?
How many years of study do you have? How many patients did you follow?
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Because the CGA or HCG are in the protocol, associated with other treatment like HMG to restore the disorder created by taking AAS.

Bye !