2nd cycle - NPP +Dbol + Test

[Micki420]

23 years old
181lb
14% bf
5’7


hey guys this is my second cycle I did 600mg of Test E and blew up from 160-185. Now it’s time to pack on serious mass!


1rm


squat: 425
deadlift: 475
bench: 295


Goals:


squat - 500
deadlift - 550
bench: 335


cycle: 12 weeks


Test C - 600mg
NPP - 300-400mg
Dbol 25mg
HCG - 500iu
arimidex .5 EOD
Cabergoline - on hand(if used, .5 E3D)

questions:
what dose ratio is best for test and NPP?
should dbol stay at 25mg?
should arimidex be used .5 EOD from day one?


Pre cycle photos:

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[Micki420]

Bump?

Any feedback?

[madhungarian]

Been a long time since I touched dbol, shit is toxic, but generally the dosage is around 40-50mgs ed. Split it into two 25mg doses, one in the morning and one in the evening. If you can yake one dose prior to a workout it can be a nice boost. I hope you're taking some.liver supplements? If not start some immediately.

[Micki420]

Been a long time since I touched dbol, shit is toxic, but generally the dosage is around 40-50mgs ed. Split it into two 25mg doses, one in the morning and one in the evening. If you can yake one dose prior to a workout it can be a nice boost. I hope you're taking some.liver supplements? If not start some immediately.

cycle has started today. I will overnight some liver protection. I know it’s liver toxic, but I honestly figured the 4 weeks, the liver will bounce back. Especially since I don’t drink or consume anything else liver toxic!

[madhungarian]

Definitely get it asap. Proper protection and only 4 weeks and everything should be fine.

[Micki420]

Definitely get it asap. Proper protection and only 4 weeks and everything should be fine.

Thank you! Do you think .5 arimidex E3D should be okay? I am worried about the dbol aromatizing. I didn’t get any crazy sides taking 600mg test even when I stopped the arimidex on my first one. But I felt like puffy nips were slight even when I took arimidex, but went away after cycle.

[Ranger15]

Your going to hear this from others but you should have done pre cycle bloods to know that everything is ok and in check and that you have properly recuperated from your previous cycle then after five weeks or so in on your cycle get bloods again so you can see how well your body is utilizing the exogenous testosterone along with checking to see where you're E2 and prolactin are at and be able to make the necessary adjustments. I wouldn't start ai until at least 2 weeks in start with .5 adex e3d and please get mid cycle bloods so you can adjust it . Also give information for future cycles and help to make sure you are maximize the compounds your using. One last thing until get bloods go easy with the ai you will feel a whole hell of alot worse with crashed e2 then you would with high e2 it would also completely stall any gains.

[madhungarian]

Definitely get it asap. Proper protection and only 4 weeks and everything should be fine.

[Micki420]

Your going to hear this from others but you should have done pre cycle bloods to know that everything is ok and in check and that you have properly recuperated from your previous cycle then after five weeks or so in on your cycle get bloods again so you can see how well your body is utilizing the exogenous testosterone along with checking to see where you're E2 and prolactin are at and be able to make the necessary adjustments. I wouldn't start ai until at least 2 weeks in start with .5 adex e3d and please get mid cycle bloods so you can adjust it . Also give information for future cycles and help to make sure you are maximize the compounds your using. One last thing until get bloods go easy with the ai you will feel a whole hell of alot worse with crashed e2 then you would with high e2 it would also completely stall any gains.

I got pre cycle bloods, but I bridged last cycle to this cycle using 150mg of Test for 5-6 weeks. Everything was fine, only thing I was worried about was, pulse was kind of high when I got my blood pressure checked(which was after the gym) didn’t know if that played a part. Also, I get a little bit of puffy nipples with testosterone, I don’t get any other sides. So,
i am worked with the dbol that I would’ve needed to start arimidex from day one, because of the dbol conversion to estrogen. You’re saying even with dbol I should still wait the 2 weeks like I did with test only?

I wound up not taking my arimidex anymore during the test only cycle snd i was fine. Slightly oily skin(not noticeable) and puffy nips, but I think I have pointy nips anyway from puberty, so it doesn’t do it any justice. So, just hold off on arimidex for now? Or just do maybe .25 E3d for now?

[joko123]

Hey brother. There’s no magically ratio for test and any other compound. I think anything over 1500 mg of test is really pushing where there is little to return.

2. 25 mg is good dose. I like to take one bolus dose pre workout. D bol has a short half life so it’s in and out quick. I’d rather not be stressing my liver all day. Again my opinion others do it diffebtly. There’s no right or wrong way.

3. If you’ve had blood work done before I’d say get some at 5 weeks and see where your levels are at.

4. You probably don’t need caber unless you have leaky nips. I wouldn’t hurt start taking it at day 1 if you have no prior issues.




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[Micki420]

Hey brother. There’s no magically ratio for test and any other compound. I think anything over 1500 mg of test is really pushing where there is little to return.

2. 25 mg is good dose. I like to take one bolus dose pre workout. D bol has a short half life so it’s in and out quick. I’d rather not be stressing my liver all day. Again my opinion others do it diffebtly. There’s no right or wrong way.

3. If you’ve had blood work done before I’d say get some at 5 weeks and see where your levels are at.

4. You probably don’t need caber unless you have leaky nips. I wouldn’t hurt start taking it at day 1 if you have no prior issues.




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So, I decided to take a 50m dose, I figured, "why not" trying to get as much out of this bulk as I can.
I will definitely get bloods done and will take caber if needed just to see. I did state I was prone to puffy nips, which have been Okay thus far.

That was my biggest concern the Test to NPP ratio. I decided on 600/400. I was not sure if I should lower the test to like 400 and make the NPP at 600 EW....didnt know which one is best to do more of, since they fight for the same receptors. Any input on having NPP more than test in dosing?

[Micki420]

La Fitness - been there

You guessed it :p