1st round with HGH

[kaarona1]

Hey Bros - I am about 6 weeks into my 1st HGH experiment. I have been doing 2-2.5 IUs per day. It is 99% generic but with great testing as proven in sponsor's page. I just started Test E and Deca and bumped the HGH to 3.33 IUs per day. Wondering if I should expect any noticeable differences going from 2.5 to 3.3 IUs per day. Looking to hold steady at 3.33 ius during 4 month cycle.

[leftkz]

I went from 2ius to 3.33ius. Noticed a lot more fatigue in the mornings after I pin. 2ius is tolerable, but 3.33ius makes me drowsy as hell! I'm still on it though and so far so good. I've noticed my hair, skin and nails look better, overall health feels good. As far as fat loss, it's still hard to say. I think diet plays a larger factor in that.

[Musclemechanic76]

I went from 2ius to 3.33ius. Noticed a lot more fatigue in the mornings after I pin. 2ius is tolerable, but 3.33ius makes me drowsy as hell! I'm still on it though and so far so good. I've noticed my hair, skin and nails look better, overall health feels good. As far as fat loss, it's still hard to say. I think diet plays a larger factor in that.Fat loss comes after 4 months and even more after 6. I gradually got to 5iu more than a couple times after coming off HGH!!
5iu a day but gradually and being able to hold at 5iu for a few months fat loss incredible!!! After that 3.3 can be used to maintain!!!
I am not advising and able to use hgh today at 5iu with no thyroid but I had to use t3 and t4 to get to that point. But our thyroid all can run different. I have veins in my abs and eat more of my kids snacks than they do...
I gotta cut back but it's hard to gain any fat at all no matter what I eat!!!
I will use 3.3iu on cruises and 5 iu on blast but will only use short burst blast...
I also will alternate between DHB and primo of cruises switching during burst blast!!!
I mostly use primo anyway with tren and mast on short cut.
Hoping to save money with DHB primo cost me more than hgh!!!
But primo with hgh is unreal!!
I am not into bulkers anymore and stay lean on lean bulks!! I look alot better all the time too

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[kaarona1]

Thanks for the info.. That is extremely informative. I plan to stay on HGH after cycle.. I plan to add some whinny on back end to dry out and then next spring cut with some test prop and maybe NPP.. Im not ready for tren...

You think I need any thyroid support at 3.33 ius/day?




Fat loss comes after 4 months and even more after 6. I gradually got to 5iu more than a couple times after coming off HGH!!
5iu a day but gradually and being able to hold at 5iu for a few months fat loss incredible!!! After that 3.3 can be used to maintain!!!
I am not advising and able to use hgh today at 5iu with no thyroid but I had to use t3 and t4 to get to that point. But our thyroid all can run different. I have veins in my abs and eat more of my kids snacks than they do...
I gotta cut back but it's hard to gain any fat at all no matter what I eat!!!
I will use 3.3iu on cruises and 5 iu on blast but will only use short burst blast...
I also will alternate between DHB and primo of cruises switching during burst blast!!!
I mostly use primo anyway with tren and mast on short cut.
Hoping to save money with DHB primo cost me more than hgh!!!
But primo with hgh is unreal!!
I am not into bulkers anymore and stay lean on lean bulks!! I look alot better all the time too

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[kaarona1]

I have not noticed being tired. I am taking HGH 1st thing in morning and then straight to 20 min fasted cardio.. Ill let you know if that changes.



I went from 2ius to 3.33ius. Noticed a lot more fatigue in the mornings after I pin. 2ius is tolerable, but 3.33ius makes me drowsy as hell! I'm still on it though and so far so good. I've noticed my hair, skin and nails look better, overall health feels good. As far as fat loss, it's still hard to say. I think diet plays a larger factor in that.

[leftkz]

Fat loss comes after 4 months and even more after 6. I gradually got to 5iu more than a couple times after coming off HGH!!
5iu a day but gradually and being able to hold at 5iu for a few months fat loss incredible!!! After that 3.3 can be used to maintain!!!
I am not advising and able to use hgh today at 5iu with no thyroid but I had to use t3 and t4 to get to that point. But our thyroid all can run different. I have veins in my abs and eat more of my kids snacks than they do...
I gotta cut back but it's hard to gain any fat at all no matter what I eat!!!
I will use 3.3iu on cruises and 5 iu on blast but will only use short burst blast...
I also will alternate between DHB and primo of cruises switching during burst blast!!!
I mostly use primo anyway with tren and mast on short cut.
Hoping to save money with DHB primo cost me more than hgh!!!
But primo with hgh is unreal!!
I am not into bulkers anymore and stay lean on lean bulks!! I look alot better all the time too

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Gotcha, I believe I'm at the start of month 4. First few months I ramped from 1iu to 2iu then to 3.33iu so I've really only been on 3.33 iu for 1.5 months now. I wish I could go higher but I can't afford to.

Awesome input though. I will look into that.

[leftkz]

Thanks for the info.. That is extremely informative. I plan to stay on HGH after cycle.. I plan to add some whinny on back end to dry out and then next spring cut with some test prop and maybe NPP.. Im not ready for tren...

You think I need any thyroid support at 3.33 ius/day?

I think everyone is different.

For the most part, probably not. Most people don't really recommend thyroid support until you start breaking the 5-6iu barrier. At least that's from the research I have done. I have no such experience other than reading a lot about it.

[Musclemechanic76]

I will be on boards begging for answers if u need thyroid. So no not if u go up slow and I would start Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk it's harmless at that dose with or without hgh and 19nors

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[Musclemechanic76]

I think everyone is different.

For the most part, probably not. Most people don't really recommend thyroid support until you start breaking the 5-6iu barrier. At least that's from the research I have done. I have no such experience other than reading a lot about it.Correct to had went to 5iu even 6.
Jumped down to 3.3. I was at 4iu and fine till I added bulking blast!!

But tread up to 5iu for a bit just do it slow.
And if u need help either of u on knowing how and when if to add in thyroid I will be around..

Thyroid is not the devil if done safe and correct while suppressed and I came back fine everytime!! It even works syntergesic with gear and hgh.

But stay off of it but if it's needed use as a tool and at low dose t4 the safer to use... and works geat with HGH.
But never use unless needed.

I used to climb up and was fine to stay at 5iu and thyroid bound right back but lipids were bad in recovery period because fats were not broken down while thyroid was on the comeback.. I stopped 12 days before TRT labs cause u had a contest so that flawed lipids

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[Caustic Charm]

Correct to had went to 5iu even 6.
Jumped down to 3.3. I was at 4iu and fine till I added bulking blast!!

But tread up to 5iu for a bit just do it slow.
And if u need help either of u on knowing how and when if to add in thyroid I will be around..

Thyroid is not the devil if done safe and correct while suppressed and I came back fine everytime!! It even works syntergesic with gear and hgh.

But stay off of it but if it's needed use as a tool and at low dose t4 the safer to use... and works geat with HGH.
But never use unless needed.

I used to climb up and was fine to stay at 5iu and thyroid bound right back but lipids were bad in recovery period because fats were not broken down while thyroid was on the comeback.. I stopped 12 days before TRT labs cause u had a contest so that flawed lipids

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I am most def interested in hearing your experience with T4 and HGH. I don't have a thyroid issue, but I wondered if it would help me lean out over 4-6 weeks.

[Musclemechanic76]

I am most def interested in hearing your experience with T4 and HGH. I don't have a thyroid issue, but I wondered if it would help me lean out over 4-6 weeks.I used Novothyral mix 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4..
I waited till thyroid suppressed and was well sure it was first.
Then added 1/2 of above checked heart rate and BP regular thru day..
Watched edema in hands in morning clear..
I was upping to 5iu a day from 3iu
I then added 1 Novothyral a day monitoring
I was good edema cleared and BP and heart rate perfect.. I ran long term the thyroid meds 5-6 months.
Last 6 weeks added 12.5 t3 then 25mcg t3
So total of 45mcg t4 and 100mcg t4.
After my contest cut I went to cruise and kept 4-5iu hgh... I weaned off thyroid and used a thyroid support Iodine supp 2 drops
Between wrist and rubbed together..

Got down to 5% did this more than once but now hgh alone and HIIT with gear my bf stays under 11% a little effort 8% tren for 6 weeks 7% or less...

It's about getting there, working hard once conditioned to stay at level high level of intensity. Get hgh to proper place. Some cycle t3 and t4 or use just t4. Some ramp, some use Lower thry duration...

I hope i answered u, what amazed me about t3 and t4 was oxygen delivery to muscles they just wouldn't burn out or me, cardio with HIIT unreal. It still is.
I only do hiit by combining and switching load from one muscle to next burst sets of 3 pause rest and not longer than 30 seconds..
-Chest, tris, abs
-Back and bis
-Legs only upper legs but i do stairs and - -- -Eliptical before and after.
- shoulders and calves
I do workouts 2 days and rest 1 day then 2 days work rest 2 then start again the day don't matter I just do then how they fall.
I work at pace I can't complete more than 2 days in row without rest day.

Not encouraging t3/t4 I am not on it anymore tried again and thyroid must be fine cause heart rate was too high so safety first!!! But I ate what ever I wanted until last 4 weeks prep...

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[Caustic Charm]

I used Novothyral mix 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4..
I waited till thyroid suppressed and was well sure it was first.
Then added 1/2 of above checked heart rate and BP regular thru day..
Watched edema in hands in morning clear..
I was upping to 5iu a day from 3iu
I then added 1 Novothyral a day monitoring
I was good edema cleared and BP and heart rate perfect.. I ran long term the thyroid meds 5-6 months.
Last 6 weeks added 12.5 t3 then 25mcg t3
So total of 45mcg t4 and 100mcg t4.
After my contest cut I went to cruise and kept 4-5iu hgh... I weaned off thyroid and used a thyroid support Iodine supp 2 drops
Between wrist and rubbed together..

Got down to 5% did this more than once but now hgh alone and HIIT with gear my bf stays under 11% a little effort 8% tren for 6 weeks 7% or less...

It's about getting there, working hard once conditioned to stay at level high level of intensity. Get hgh to proper place. Some cycle t3 and t4 or use just t4. Some ramp, some use Lower thry duration...

I hope i answered u, what amazed me about t3 and t4 was oxygen delivery to muscles they just wouldn't burn out or me, cardio with HIIT unreal. It still is.
I only do hiit by combining and switching load from one muscle to next burst sets of 3 pause rest and not longer than 30 seconds..
-Chest, tris, abs
-Back and bis
-Legs only upper legs but i do stairs and - -- -Eliptical before and after.
- shoulders and calves
I do workouts 2 days and rest 1 day then 2 days work rest 2 then start again the day don't matter I just do then how they fall.
I work at pace I can't complete more than 2 days in row without rest day.

Not encouraging t3/t4 I am not on it anymore tried again and thyroid must be fine cause heart rate was too high so safety first!!! But I ate what ever I wanted until last 4 weeks prep...

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How did you suppress your thyroid? Or were you having a problem with it originally?


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[kaarona1]

I actually just had to bump it back down to 2.5 ius / day. The swelling and ichy rash in my ankles, knees, elbows, wrists is too much to handle right now. I think going from 2 to 3.3 ius was to drastic of a change after 6 weeks. I will stay at 2.5 for a while and see how that goes.

[kaarona1]

wondering if I am maybe alergic to something in the HGH, that would cause the red ichy skin rash. It is not at the injection site.

[AnabolicsAnonymous]

wondering if I am maybe alergic to something in the HGH, that would cause the red ichy skin rash. It is not at the injection site.

What are you using to reconstitute it ? And where is the rash ? What other PEDs are you taking?


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[kaarona1]

Using BAC Water from medical supply store to reconstitute. The rash and swelling is on top of my feet and ankles, on my hands and on my butt. I am also taking Test E and Deca.


What are you using to reconstitute it ? And where is the rash ? What other PEDs are you taking?


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[Arose]

That is great. Mine is to encourage you to keep up. you should move to 4 within the first six months. Just stay focused and things will work for you.

[AnabolicsAnonymous]

Using BAC Water from medical supply store to reconstitute. The rash and swelling is on top of my feet and ankles, on my hands and on my butt. I am also taking Test E and Deca.

Although rare it is possible to be allergic one of the preservatives in the hgh. If you have an underlying skin condition the GH could be causing that to flair up as well. Worse comes to worse see a dermatologist but leave them in the dark about the use of hgh they will run some tests. I know it sounds weird but I have also heard of people taking oatmeal baths not sure the science behind it but maybe something to look into.


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[Musclemechanic76]

How did you suppress your thyroid? Or were you having a problem with it originally?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsing 5iu of HGH will suppress thyroid 9 out of 10

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[JJ14]

Using 5iu of HGH will suppress thyroid 9 out of 10

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkReally? You talking generics? I read all your post bro cause your very informative guy with alot of experience and short time you've been here I've learned alot from you for real. Me personally with generics 4iu my throyoid is off a little but not enough for t3. I did the rookie move when I first started hgh cause you see all the threads that it is a must to use t3 or t4 with hgh no matter what and I listened like an idiot and thyroid was really over active and took about almost 2 months to get normal. I go dec 4th to check again and cant stress enough how important it is to check levels while on hgh cause it can cause some serious health issiues. The thing is with the thyroid high or low numbers the symptoms are identical so most guys feel tired and assume I need t3 but thsts not the case just check levels. I know guys trust me how it can be pain in the ass to pay and take time to get bloodwork. sometimes I go every week to check something. I never knew so much about the human body until recent and researching and listening to guys experiences its really crazy one thing can trigger so many other things.

In order to get results your looking for you must research and understand how it works and it wont br over night. I'm always researching and my doctor visits last like 2 hrs cause I'm always asking questions.

As for BP it's never high with generics even at 6iu which isnt really that much. My opinion is to really see good results a minimum with 8iu cause I've been testing all different brands and I'm really not impressed at all with 4iu. Maybe cause I keep switching and IGf numbers are always different.

Stick around musclemachanic your experience and knowledge can teach alot guys bro. Thanks.

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[Maker18847]

"Listened like an idiot"

I'm 2 months out from my first run with hgh and am so confused with this T4 info because there's so many conflicting views [emoji37]

I'm about to go pay for a couple houndred pills of T4 because after all my research I found that 100mcg at bedtime will help with hgh.

I just quoted that because I don't want to feel like an idiot also. What does everyone think.

Sorry I didn't mean to hijack the thread.
Really? You talking generics? I read all your post bro cause your very informative guy with alot of experience and short time you've been here I've learned alot from you for real. Me personally with generics 4iu my throyoid is off a little but not enough for t3. I did the rookie move when I first started hgh cause you see all the threads that it is a must to use t3 or t4 with hgh no matter what and I listened like an idiot and thyroid was really over active and took about almost 2 months to get normal. I go dec 4th to check again and cant stress enough how important it is to check levels while on hgh cause it can cause some serious health issiues. The thing is with the thyroid high or low numbers the symptoms are identical so most guys feel tired and assume I need t3 but thsts not the case just check levels. I know guys trust me how it can be pain in the ass to pay and take time to get bloodwork. sometimes I go every week to check something. I never knew so much about the human body until recent and researching and listening to guys experiences its really crazy one thing can trigger so many other things.

In order to get results your looking for you must research and understand how it works and it wont br over night. I'm always researching and my doctor visits last like 2 hrs cause I'm always asking questions.

As for BP it's never high with generics even at 6iu which isnt really that much. My opinion is to really see good results a minimum with 8iu cause I've been testing all different brands and I'm really not impressed at all with 4iu. Maybe cause I keep switching and IGf numbers are always different.

Stick around musclemachanic your experience and knowledge can teach alot guys bro. Thanks.

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[JJ14]

"Listened like an idiot"

I'm 2 months out from my first run with hgh and am so confused with this T4 info because there's so many conflicting views [emoji37]

I'm about to go pay for a couple houndred pills of T4 because after all my research I found that 100mcg at bedtime will help with hgh.

I just quoted that because I don't want to feel like an idiot also. What does everyone think.

Sorry I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using TapatalkBloodwork bro everybody is different some people could possible have thyroid problems before hgh and could run in the family who knows. The guessing game dosent work all the time and especially your going into a show you wanna be tip top shape. Always start dose low and you can work your way up. Musclemachanic could prob stear u in right direction.

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[Maker18847]

Bloodwork bro everybody is different some people could possible have thyroid problems before hgh and could run in the family who knows. The guessing game dosent work all the time and especially your going into a show you wanna be tip top shape. Always start dose low and you can work your way up. Musclemachanic could prob stear u in right direction.

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[JJ14]

How long after starting hgh did you check thyroid? And what dose t4 where you running?

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using TapatalkIt was like 2-3 months later after starting and knew something was wrong cause I didnt want to wake up in the morning and struggled through the day at work everyday. Took 100mcg everyday way to much for me.

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[Maker18847]

And at what iu hgh? After everything I've been reading pertaining to HGH and T4 it makes sense to take T4 while on HGH. So maybe I'll start with 100mcg every other day and get bloods done after a month or two on.
It was like 2-3 months later after starting and knew something was wrong cause I didnt want to wake up in the morning and struggled through the day at work everyday. Took 100mcg everyday way to much for me.

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[JJ14]

And at what iu hgh? After everything I've been reading pertaining to HGH and T4 it makes sense to take T4 while on HGH. So maybe I'll start with 100mcg every other day and get bloods done after a month or two on.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk4iu of hgh everyday. Everybody is different and my dose might not be right for you but ya maybe start lower 50mcg or 100mcg whatever you think. I would def atleast wait 4 weeks to check levels. Make sure you check TSH, T4, free T4, T3, free T3 cause TSH can be elevated meanwhile t3/t4 levels are low and thats a sign of hypothyroidism

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[Musclemechanic76]

Really? You talking generics? I read all your post bro cause your very informative guy with alot of experience and short time you've been here I've learned alot from you for real. Me personally with generics 4iu my throyoid is off a little but not enough for t3. I did the rookie move when I first started hgh cause you see all the threads that it is a must to use t3 or t4 with hgh no matter what and I listened like an idiot and thyroid was really over active and took about almost 2 months to get normal. I go dec 4th to check again and cant stress enough how important it is to check levels while on hgh cause it can cause some serious health issiues. The thing is with the thyroid high or low numbers the symptoms are identical so most guys feel tired and assume I need t3 but thsts not the case just check levels. I know guys trust me how it can be pain in the ass to pay and take time to get bloodwork. sometimes I go every week to check something. I never knew so much about the human body until recent and researching and listening to guys experiences its really crazy one thing can trigger so many other things.

In order to get results your looking for you must research and understand how it works and it wont br over night. I'm always researching and my doctor visits last like 2 hrs cause I'm always asking questions.

As for BP it's never high with generics even at 6iu which isnt really that much. My opinion is to really see good results a minimum with 8iu cause I've been testing all different brands and I'm really not impressed at all with 4iu. Maybe cause I keep switching and IGf numbers are always different.

Stick around musclemachanic your experience and knowledge can teach alot guys bro. Thanks.

Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkU are correct t3/t4 I say leave it alone...
Only use the stuff if necessary.

I can now use 5iu generic with no thyroid issues but I had trouble getting there without thyroid help...

I myself had heat stroke years ago and my thyroid seemed to be off after that...

With generic HGH and no thyroid the benifits are leaness with slow lean body mass. 5iu works but it has to be appreciated. In other words it's not gear and if someone expecting to growth unbelievable... it's not Gonna happen at 5iu a day generics...

For what ever reason I don't need thyroid anymore, but I did at one time... some of us against better than others.

To test while on hgh to see if suppressed TSH will be low and free t4 and t3 will be low...

Better to test it's not exactly needed in all people and can be more trouble than worth

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[Musclemechanic76]

Hgh will cause pituatay hypothyroid..
Meaning problem isn't thyroid..

So TSH is suppressed by Hgh while levels of thyroid low..

In normal thyroid cases TSH high but thyroid output is low.

TSH is signal for more thyroid releases if thyroid is sufficient.

With hgh suppression the problem most of time is from TSH being suppressed, meaning thyroid is fine it's the pituatay that is impaired meaning needs time to adjust while on hgh.

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[Maker18847]

How long where you all taking between jumps to get to 4-5iu? Because my plan was to take 8iu 5x a week for the first 12 days or so post surgery. And than 2iu 5x a wk for 2-3 wks, then 3iu 2-3 wks than 4iu the remaining. But it seems like y'all had to take longer than 2-3 weeks per bump up

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[JJ14]

How long where you all taking between jumps to get to 4-5iu? Because my plan was to take 8iu 5x a week for the first 12 days or so post surgery. And than 2iu 5x a wk for 2-3 wks, then 3iu 2-3 wks than 4iu the remaining. But it seems like y'all had to take longer than 2-3 weeks per bump up

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using TapatalkTo be honest bro I have no patients at all and I constantly want instant gratification but with hgh takes time and I just jump into it. At first when I started at 2iu then went up 1iu each week till 5 or 6iu. I dont suggest it to anybody and I'm not putting it out there just to start high but that's how I did it with no issiues. I've had some CT before but not where I would want to stop running hgh or lower dose. These are generics

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[Maker18847]

One of the reasons I wanted to work up was because I'm starting with 8iu. Do you think I shouldn't drop that low to 2iu and just go straight to 3-4iu 5x would?
To be honest bro I have no patients at all and I constantly want instant gratification but with hgh takes time and I just jump into it. At first when I started at 2iu then went up 1iu each week till 5 or 6iu. I dont suggest it to anybody and I'm not putting it out there just to start high but that's how I did it with no issiues. I've had some CT before but not where I would want to stop running hgh or lower dose. These are generics

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[Musclemechanic76]

I would work slow... but my slow is 3iu to 4iu then 5iu... sides start I run to Cabar and t3/t4..
Even though I have finally adjusted without t3/t4 but I had to wean off t3/t4.

I myself seemed ok a couple times on hgh working up on a GOOD cruise gear dose. BUT once I added bulking gear problems for me started.

The first time I switched to primo, test prop, and mast and added t3/t4 cause I couldn't keep eyes open and edema in hands was unreal..

The next time I was off hgh and got back on and it started in hands I stayed on bulking gear and added t3/t4..

For myself if I am on a 19nor with hgh I need some Cabar or my D7ck dies...
I still use lower Cabar off 19nor and 3.3iu HGH cruise but I also like Trest ace low dose on cruise.

My red blood stays lower if I keep test dose down with some trest ace in mix... I have secondary polycythemia, I have order for phlebotomy as needed but I got low iron and lost gains more than once from too many ph lebotomy's.

But I always wanted to result and it always came from 5iu or more generics not much from less. Maintaining leaness and holding lean muscle from lower 3.3iu that is about it...



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[JJ14]

One of the reasons I wanted to work up was because I'm starting with 8iu. Do you think I shouldn't drop that low to 2iu and just go straight to 3-4iu 5x would?

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[Maker18847]

Haha so much info in the last two posts. Thank you both though. When I say do you think I should I do take everything with a grain of salt and use it to compare my findings of what worked for other people.

My goal isn't to end at 8iu.

I'm taking 8iu after surgery only for a few weeks for healing then want to cruise on 3-4iu until my test, tren, mast, primo and hgh frag cut cycle.

Now after what he said with concern to 19nor and primo on hgh I'm definitely not going to continue it into that cycle. Too much going on for home boy [emoji23]
Anything I say is from my experience and I really dont like telling anybody specific ways to do things cause if something happens then it's my fault lol. Me I would start at 5iu if my goal was 8iu. That's a good dose 8iu so you should see ok results. Do you check blood glucose at all? If not amazon got a kit it's really cheap like $50 and it's a good brand. It's always good to check it's simple and easy to do plus you will be doing 8iu so I would monitor it just in case and maybe get some metformin as well to keep in the stash.

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[Nismo99]

I didn't read every single post but if you are just starting out, please don't use 8IU's on your first shot. That's just asking for massive sides. The HIGHEST I'd start would be 4IU. But for most people, start at 2IU, then 4-5 days later, move to 3 IU, and continue until you either get to 8IU or the sides cripple you and decide to stop at a slightly lower dosage. I find I can run 6IU's pretty well...above that I really get too much stiffness and numbness in my hands and fingers...just doesn't feel healthy at that dose for me. Like others have said, each of us is different in terms of how we'd respond. Take it slow and easy.