Trenbolone alternatives?

[IunitsU]

Well I'm scared my breathing will be messed up from the Trenbolone. Its been a week and a half on the Acetate ester and so far no sides but its early. I really really don't want breathing problems. I'm scared of non exercise related breathing problems. I can adjust to me being winded during exercise, I do not want to adjust to have it happening with everyday life. Are there any good trenbolone alternatives? Like for example adding anavar and masteron to my trt? I know trenbolone is a steroid of its own. I feel bad to drop the trenbolone when I am having no problems. I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas for an alternative that they think are close to tren.

[Phill]

Stenbolone

[IunitsU]

Stenbolone

Good thought I should of thought of that I've heard of it before.

[trenbolognaa]

NPP or higher dose Primo come close

[100_Percent]

NPP and end the cycle with winstrol.

[Ranger15]

Your not going to find any thing as effective as tren it's in a class of it's own but high dose Npp, dhb is good also what I personally would switch to so still get dramatic results but have watch for aromtization Ment ace

[cyberninja]

Dhb is sometimes called trens little brother without the sides. I love the stuff


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[Diesel1965]

Well I'm scared my breathing will be messed up from the Trenbolone. Its been a week and a half on the Acetate ester and so far no sides but its early. I really really don't want breathing problems. I'm scared of non exercise related breathing problems. I can adjust to me being winded during exercise, I do not want to adjust to have it happening with everyday life. Are there any good trenbolone alternatives? Like for example adding anavar and masteron to my trt? I know trenbolone is a steroid of its own. I feel bad to drop the trenbolone when I am having no problems. I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas for an alternative that they think are close to tren.

Your scared your breathing will be messed up like ? Huffing and puffing setting in a chair or sleeping or when you walk that you'll need oxygen 24/7 for real lol Brother you'll maybe getting a little winded at times but nothing out of the ordinary.

[Phill]

Your not going to find any thing as effective as tren it's in a class of it's own but high dose Npp, dhb is good also what I personally would switch to so still get dramatic results but have watch for aromtization Ment ace

yes, ment!

[jbstafford290]

I'm currently running. 75 mg of ace ed on week 6. Shortness of breath is the only side I get besides by acne on shoulders and back. I get winded during workout and other things that cause cardio to shoot up but it isnt unbearable. I would keep on doing what you are doing and if it gets to much stop. That is why people do tren ace bc of it's short life and you can stop pretty quickly and sides will stop after a couple of days. Tren e is different it will take a couple of weeks for sides to stop. Good luck brother

[bigpapapumpaf]

There is nothing that even remotely mimics tren.

I think you're worrying about nothing. When someone talks about shortness of breath, its because they might not be able to run 10 miles while on tren. Its not a thing that you deal with thru ordinary life or training. I don't think it even exists with lab made tren anymore. The old shit we would brew up from fina pellets had god knows what else in them and that's what most of the nasty sides were caused from.

BPP

[Enigma]

Tren in the acetate form does its thing PDQ so if you aren’t getting side yet, you probably won’t provided you stay on the same dosage. Some people just don’t get sides, like me. I get a little sweaty at night sometimes, oddly enough only around the back of my neck.
On the other hand, it really fucks up some people. That’s why you see so much caution and scary stuff associated with Tren.
If you don’t get unbearable sides, be happy. Tren is next to unbelievable compared to all other compounds.

[bodean30]

Shortness of breath sucks, but it is totally bearable and the least of the side effects to worry about.
I'm halfway through my first tren cycle and I have to say the psychological sides are the worst so far. I have never been a jealous person and this shit has the craziest thoughts running through my mind. Shit I would never think of or give half a thought to. I'm pretty on top of my shit so most of the time I can just tell myself it's the tren and all is well.
I can see why some dudes with preexisting mental issues would have a really bad reaction. Definitely a beast all it's own. I am so glad I never rushed into a tren cycle and waited until I could properly understand and respect it.

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[animal23]

The 2 sides I get is tren cough with ace and I can't sleep worth a crap. Idk if I'll ever try it again.
I'm using 1test cyp now and I love it!!

[Bullseye Forever]

High doses of Primbolan works similar,not near as good,but a few of the benefits like tren,but so much safer


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[cyberninja]

Your not going to find any thing as effective as tren it's in a class of it's own but high dose Npp, dhb is good also what I personally would switch to so still get dramatic results but have watch for aromtization Ment ace

What is your AI protocol for ment? That shits no joke....gives everyone gyno lol


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[cyberninja]

I love tren ace, but a few weeks in and I get the most foul smelling disgusting night sweats it’s just ridiculous....maybe I need to sleep on towels


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[m314]

Trestolone is stronger than tren, and it's pretty much side effect free in my experience other than some bloating and water weight with high carbs. It recomps me as well as tren without keeping me up at night and making life miserable.

I need 12.5 mg exemestane every other day with 25 mg/day trest ace along with low dose test. 25 mg trest feels strong. 50 would be too much for me

[Ranger15]

Don't go by my protocol for Ment or any compounds to dose your AI were all different I'm personally not estrogen sensitive . You will only know through trial and blood work. But with Ment ace at 50 to 100 mg a day . 12.5 mg of aromasin EOD keeps my E2 just a little high and out of range which I've found I grow best at when blasting .

[teej750]

Id say Trestolone is the closest comparable chemical, however Cardarine balances out the breathing and decreased endurance issues quite effectively.

The reason i can never take Tren again..... The insomnia at night but then im falling asleep at red lights during the day. Pretty much tired all day long (except when im in the gym) then sun goes down and i cant sleep. If i could ask God one question it would be for him to explain that logic to me.

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[IunitsU]

Thank you all for your responses. I'm thinking of just high dosing some anavar. I know its not trenbolone but always IME anavar works well for hardening up and leaning out.

[Enigma]

Thank you all for your responses. I'm thinking of just high dosing some anavar. I know its not trenbolone but always IME anavar works well for hardening up and leaning out.
Not trying be a dick in any way here but I think this needs to be said.

Every time I see the words “cut” and “lean” in the same sentence as a steroid query or comment, I cringe.
If I’m training someone who want to do these things, I just adjust their diet. IMO, steroids help spare muscle while on a calorie deficit. Women lose heaps of muscle while dieting and as they don’t have the quiver of compounds at their disposal that men have, they resort to anavar. I find anavar to be generally the most useless compound, especially for men who have so many other, BETTER choices. (Perhaps it’s popularity is related to the fact it is oral and so many people who “want to get on the gear” AREN’T ready to start pinning? Seems that way to me.)

If you don’t have the necessity to avoid losing small percentages of muscle, e.g. a competing bodybuilder, then there is no real reason to subject your body to gear.
One of the things guys also don’t seem to know, maybe because they’ve never been below 12% BF, is that getting lean makes you look huge.
I have people thinking I put on 10 kilos when I have in fact LOST 5 kilos. This is only in a tank top though. I always look like nothing in a regular shirt. Just like abs. Everyone want them but unless you are one of those cunts always pulling up your shirt at the gym (or a porn star), no one will ever see them.

I wish the average guy who wants to dabble in hormonal manipulation would just use the minimum. A wee bit of test goes a looong way for the average guy.

And OP, my suggestion would be drop the anavar. A few hundred milligrams of test and a couple of DHB will amaze you!
Seriously.

[IunitsU]

Thanks for the suggestion I do want to try DHB.


Not trying be a dick in any way here but I think this needs to be said.

Every time I see the words “cut” and “lean” in the same sentence as a steroid query or comment, I cringe.
If I’m training someone who want to do these things, I just adjust their diet. IMO, steroids help spare muscle while on a calorie deficit. Women lose heaps of muscle while dieting and as they don’t have the quiver of compounds at their disposal that men have, they resort to anavar. I find anavar to be generally the most useless compound, especially for men who have so many other, BETTER choices. (Perhaps it’s popularity is related to the fact it is oral and so many people who “want to get on the gear” AREN’T ready to start pinning? Seems that way to me.)

If you don’t have the necessity to avoid losing small percentages of muscle, e.g. a competing bodybuilder, then there is no real reason to subject your body to gear.
One of the things guys also don’t seem to know, maybe because they’ve never been below 12% BF, is that getting lean makes you look huge.
I have people thinking I put on 10 kilos when I have in fact LOST 5 kilos. This is only in a tank top though. I always look like nothing in a regular shirt. Just like abs. Everyone want them but unless you are one of those cunts always pulling up your shirt at the gym (or a porn star), no one will ever see them.

I wish the average guy who wants to dabble in hormonal manipulation would just use the minimum. A wee bit of test goes a looong way for the average guy.

And OP, my suggestion would be drop the anavar. A few hundred milligrams of test and a couple of DHB will amaze you!
Seriously.

[IunitsU]

If anyone knows what is a good dosage to use DHB at?

[lisa0907]

Ment is ten stronger than Testerone !!!

[m314]

If anyone knows what is a good dosage to use DHB at?

In my last cycle, I started at 350 mg/week DHB and ramped up to 600 over several weeks. This was with 200 mg/week test.

[Radman69]

Aint Nothin better than Tren!

Nuff said..

[KiloWhiskey82nd]

Dhb is sometimes called trens little brother without the sides. I love the stuff


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Im on Tren E and DHB with a little Var sprinkled in (test base obviously). Took a little while to get the DHB going (even with front loading), but WOW, slaps Masteron up side the head for sure. DHB, to me, isn't a steroid you build a cycle around. It is by far the best supplemental steroid I have ever used, however...

Supplemental steroids, in my opinion:
DHB
Masteron
Primo
Proviron
EQ

Those are just the ones I've done personally.

I just couldn't imagine a TRUE cycle without Tren, Nandrolone, etc

[KiloWhiskey82nd]

Aint Nothin better than Tren!

Nuff said..

This!

[KiloWhiskey82nd]

In my last cycle, I started at 350 mg/week DHB and ramped up to 600 over several weeks. This was with 200 mg/week test.

Honestly, as high as you can handle it. From what I can tell, it shares one thing in common with Tren. More is better!

[m314]

Honestly, as high as you can handle it. From what I can tell, it shares one thing in common with Tren. More is better!

More is definitely better. I started seeing side effects at 600 mg (some insomnia, feeling warm all the time, reduced sex drive), but nowhere near as bad as tren sides for me. It's also a lot of oil per week. I only stopped DHB after 14 weeks this time to switch to 600 mg primo for the summer.

Tren gives quicker / more dramatic results at the cost of more side effects. DHB is better for strength in my experience.

[deaconjones]

Tren is tren, nothing else quite like it. I, for one, won't use it anymore because of the sides. Not worth it for me. But as others have said, Npp is very good. As far as shortness of breath, yeah, that'll happen on tren, but I've never heard of it being a permanent situation. I think the biggest concern is the effect on lab mice and dementia or alzhiemers. That's enough to push me away.

[Bigdaddyperk]

Ive heard ...dhb...if you can stand the pip....npp high dose simular....but without the cutting effect....but i got just as winded high npp...as tren...but its manageable with both like others said...just pace yourself at everything....the worst is getting winded during sex for me...hate it....but yeah thats the least of the bad side effects lol...

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