Mother of All Experiments!!!

[Cameljockey]

Ok here we go...

Test Parameters:
1. Inject 10 IU's - IM (deltoid works great) in the morning.
2. Fasted
3. Human Growth Serum test at 3,4,5 hours after blood draw.

Batch 1: RX Omnitrope (The legit $30 an IU pharmacy stuff)
- 10IU's will be taken at 7AM sharp - (7-7-2012)
- HGH tests will be administered at 10AM, 11AM, 12PM.


Image attached for authenticity.

[vibrant]

nice bro, in for the results.

[PAiN]

Sounds good. Will be following brotha!

[omni]

I'm in!

[Patriot1405]

Subbed!!!!

[Cameljockey]

Ok, so I woke up at 5AM (on my freaking birthday...) and:

1. Took 4.5IU's of the Omnitrope - (instead of 10IU’s as originally proposed)
2. Injected SubQ - (instead of IM as originally proposed).
3. Blood tested at 8AM
4. Blood Tested at 9AM
5. Blood Tested at 10AM

The explanation for the changes:

Since my original post, I read some medical articles that were sent my way. It would appear that the liver cannot process more than 4IU's in one 4-6 hour phase. Anything in excess is simply passed out through urine. If one wishes to take more than 4IU's a day, they must do so in multiple intervals. Also, the most important thing is to establish a baseline using the authentic pharmacy stuff from which to compare other HGH's against. So, since measuring multiple injections are not the goal of this experiment I decided against injecting 10IU’s. Also, I bumped my dose from the recommended 4IU’s to 4.5IU’s to make sure that my liver was saturated as well as possible. Of course there are some timing considerations, but let us see how this run goes.

Additionally, the medical articles indicate that IM injections are minimally beneficial compared to SubQ injections, especially when one considers the potential complications of IM injections. Furthermore, HGH acts on the entire body's fat deposits, but HGH is interesting and unique in that it creates accelerated fat loss at the actual spot of injection. With that in mind, I am sure as hell going to keep sticking it in my belly!
Finally, I have attached some graphs that show the saturation of HGH over time from two independent medically published studies. As Spicyer has mentioned in other posts, the optimum time period appears to be in the 3-5 hour range.
On that note: Mad shout out to Spicyer for all his knowledgeable help on this subject.

[Cameljockey]

Ok here are the results:

Listed in order of sample taken - 3 hours, 4 hours, 5 hours - Post injection.

The numbers do appear to be low, I am not sure if perhaps the dose was lower than my body was able to process. Too many variables, but I am curious as to opinions.

Remember, this is stuff shipped overnight directly from an American manufacturer in a cooled container. I refrigerated it immediately, inserted water into the container in a very careful and slow method. In other words, I believe I took all necessary precautions.

Ultimately, this does give me a baseline. I may try 10IU's at one time period to compare to the 4.5IU's from this test batch.

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[Cameljockey]

So tomorrow, Monday, I may either try to test myself with the same dose at 2 hours to establish a more clear and definitive picture of my personal levels. That way everything I test afterwards can be compared to the best time window to provide everyone the most accurate results.


OR


I may begin testing 1 or the 2 other HGH products in my possession obtained from various vendors. (I won't be using names because 1. I have to make sure the rules allow it and 2. I don't want to start wild speculation until I have concrete numbers) Even if I tested a vendors items and they were bunk on my blood levels, I remind everyone that it could be user error (In other words, I could be an idiot).

[Cameljockey]

Update:


OK, so after considering the opinion of someone on this board who I consider knowledgeable:


I injected 4.5IU's of Omnitrope IM (Into my shoulder, rather than SubQ).
I also had myself tested almost exactly 3 hours after the injection.


Recall- When I injected 4.5IU's of Omnitrope SubQ and was tested after 3 hours the results showed a level of 7.3 (See Below)
So tomorrow morning I should be able to post a comparison.


http://i.imgur.com/GVNoT.png

[barneygoogles]

looks very interesting

[Cameljockey]

Ahoy, ok so here are the numbers when doing 4.5IU's of Omnitrope IM (Into my shoulder, rather than SubQ).


Remember, SubQ 7.3


http://i.imgur.com/QA6iU.png


As you can see, the 12.4 is quiet an increase of the SubQ injection.


At this point, I will be using the following parameters as my default to test any HGH product purchase to maintain consistency.


1. 3 Hours
2. 4.5 IU's
3. IM into Shoulder

[PAiN]

Very detailed thanks bro. REPS! Keep it up.

[Cameljockey]

Ok, I am really bogged down studying atm. But, I am going to try to run a test tomorrow. I will keep everyone posted.

[Cameljockey]

Sorry I overslept, and I didn't think I could wait to eat until noon! (I am such a scrub) Good news though, the lab near me tests Saturday; I should have something tomorrow.

Omerta, those are great points and I agree with much of what you said, especially regarding the differing peak times and saturation levels; another board member, Spicyer, also believes that is how IM operates in contrast to SubQ.

However, one point of clarification: according to what I have read, a reading over 10 is NOT ineffective. Rather, it is how much you inject that is relevant. I am not sure if that is how you interpreted what I wrote, but I just wanted to make sure.

So for Example:
A standard RX bottle contains 5.8mg (round up to 6 for simplicity)
International stand unit is 1mg=2.7IU (round up to 3 for simplicity)
So, that 6mg X 3 = 18IU’s
Injecting 1ml of water into that bottle would yield 1.8IU per .1ml - (Remember, .1ml is the standard 10 mark on an insulin needle.

So, I would inject approximately .55ml to get 10IU’s. - (10/1.8) - (In other words 55 on an insulin needle)
This dose is what most clinical studies are based on, as most manufacturers produce 5.4-5.8mg bottles. But the issue here is that one’s body may not be able to process that much. A dose of 10IU’s may yield a reading of 12ng/ml or a serum test, but it is entirely likely I could have obtained the same result by injecting a lesser amount. Similarly, I could inject 50IU’s and still get the same 12ng/ml result. Each person’s body will have a different capacity to process HGH differently to some degree.

Ultimately, what you said about consistency versus spikes is the most important thing. In a very basic way, it is similar to how many bodybuilders believe food should be consumed. You don’t want to wolf down 5lbs of chicken once a day; it makes more sense to space it out over the day. Sorry if that was a little long, I tend to ramble. Hopefully it makes sense?

One last thing, you said “Btw, Insulin GREATLY prevents the breakdown of hgh.” Why do you believe that is so? I ask because some of the literature I have read indicates that insulin and hgh compete for the same pathways in the body. In other words, one would wait 30 minutes after their morning injection before consuming food to insure maximum absorption. However, I don’t think the effect is extremely significant.

[Cameljockey]

Sorry I have been so long in posting. Going through some hectic shit at the moment, but it should be over around the 24th.


Anyhoo, here is my first test for a HGH product that I obtained 'from a friend'


As you can see, it is significantly lower when compared to the Prescription HGH.


Recall (or scroll up) the RX HGH Omnitrope came in at 12.4.
This Sample came in at 2.3


http://i.imgur.com/7tyvO.png


NOTE: I tried to maintain the exact same conditions, but even slight error or change in circumstances would not explain an almost 500% different in the reading.


At this point, in the interest of fairness, I will retest one time.
First, I would like to test a 3rd Sample.

[PAiN]

That is a huge difference bro.

[Emericant]

have the results come back yet, or the test done, this was a really interresting read. and thank you for explaining alot of this for us. I know personally I dont know much at all of HGH and have been trying to learn and read up on it.