Gyno on hgh question

[Sinister9912]

Hello everybody,
ive been trying to research what would be best to treat gyno while on hgh and test. Im currently on 2iu 5 days a week and 250mg of test per week while I’m off cycle/cruising. I’m reading mixed reviews as to what to take. I hear Nolvadex lowers IGF1 levels, and so does Toremifene. Does anyone know what’s the lesser of two evils here between blasting a couple weeks to clear this up between the two?

While I was running proviron I had no issues with gyno. I didn’t use an AI, until about a month after dropping proviron as I wasn’t having any issues. When I started getting sensitivity, I decided to start aromasin about 5 weeks ago and I ended up developing a lump. Today I also read that aromasin can both lower and raise igf levels, which is conflicting.

Just looking for any advice from experienced hgh users.

Also wanted to know if someone can tell me how much and how often I should be using t4? I read the article above about taking 100mcg, but couldn’t determine what my t4 dosage should be based off of using 2 iu’s of hgh. I’ve been on growth almost 6 months.

thank you!

[Oldskool]

Hello everybody,
ive been trying to research what would be best to treat gyno while on hgh and test. Im currently on 2iu 5 days a week and 250mg of test per week while I’m off cycle/cruising. I’m reading mixed reviews as to what to take. I hear Nolvadex lowers IGF1 levels, and so does Toremifene. Does anyone know what’s the lesser of two evils here between blasting a couple weeks to clear this up between the two?

While I was running proviron I had no issues with gyno. I didn’t use an AI, until about a month after dropping proviron as I wasn’t having any issues. When I started getting sensitivity, I decided to start aromasin about 5 weeks ago and I ended up developing a lump. Today I also read that aromasin can both lower and raise igf levels, which is conflicting.

Just looking for any advice from experienced hgh users.

Also wanted to know if someone can tell me how much and how often I should be using t4? I read the article above about taking 100mcg, but couldn’t determine what my t4 dosage should be based off of using 2 iu’s of hgh. I’ve been on growth almost 6 months.

thank you!Yup. That's one of the reasons I use arimidex.

Adex not only doesn't decrease igf 1 but has been shown in research to increase it.

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[Musclemechanic76]

Hello everybody,
ive been trying to research what would be best to treat gyno while on hgh and test. Im currently on 2iu 5 days a week and 250mg of test per week while I’m off cycle/cruising. I’m reading mixed reviews as to what to take. I hear Nolvadex lowers IGF1 levels, and so does Toremifene. Does anyone know what’s the lesser of two evils here between blasting a couple weeks to clear this up between the two?

While I was running proviron I had no issues with gyno. I didn’t use an AI, until about a month after dropping proviron as I wasn’t having any issues. When I started getting sensitivity, I decided to start aromasin about 5 weeks ago and I ended up developing a lump. Today I also read that aromasin can both lower and raise igf levels, which is conflicting.

Just looking for any advice from experienced hgh users.

Also wanted to know if someone can tell me how much and how often I should be using t4? I read the article above about taking 100mcg, but couldn’t determine what my t4 dosage should be based off of using 2 iu’s of hgh. I’ve been on growth almost 6 months.

thank you!I take Nolva 10mg a day most of time because I like my lipids!! Never had gyno either.
Nolva less affective with adex or letro or vice versa. Same cyp enzyme to metabolize. I still feel better on adex and nolva than aromasin and Nolva.
Nolva and IGF I would not worry especially if adding Hgh.
And if gyno were case then Nolva 40mg for 1 week then 20mg a week and when lump gone 10mg would be ran period.... IGF higher or tits?? Hum....
Also cabar 0.5mg @2× week a must because hgh can cause prolactin spikes each time u dose without estro to open door... Hgh prolactin not exactly same mechanism as deca or tren!!!

About t4 or t3/t4, I have been on hgh and fine with cruise, I added bulking gear or a blast and lethergy plus carpal tunnel syndrome with edema in hands during sleep! Or trying to sleep!!! So test free t4 levels or go by feel and hypothyroid symtoms.

100mcg t4 works well in combo of hgh 2-5iu a day. Adjust till symtoms subside. Novothyral mix best for me with hgh 4iu a day and up. Speaking good testing generic hgh.....

Also hgh or thyroid suppression can come from several mechanisms. Prolactin can increase suppression and suppression can also increase prolactin!!!

I would start Nolva like started let build up kill lump ASAP and stay on maintenance dose. I would use adex at ???? Depending on your test dose!!! And add cabar 0.5mg 2x wk asap. I wouldn't wait on bloods with gyno.

U get gyno from test alone??? What about tren or deca with test???
Is this prolactin gyno or estro? Or both? Are u experiencing hypo-thyroid symtoms??

I been on hgh and on and off t3/t4 or t4 depending... especially when I add a blast. I also have stayed on hgh and off thyroid and adjusted only to end up back needing to add t4 6 months later because lethergy returned!! I have gotten TSH and free t4 confirmations from labs. I just added t4 other day for lethergy. I been on 3.3iu good generic since August after dropping from 5iu and Novothyral.... added blast with tren and wanted to sleep all day, all labs were good just before adding tren....

My experience and option hope it helped

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[Oldskool]

I take Nolva 10mg a day most of time because I like my lipids!! Never had gyno either.
Nolva less affective with adex or letro or vice versa. Same cyp enzyme to metabolize. I still feel better on adex and nolva than aromasin and Nolva.
Nolva and IGF I would not worry especially if adding Hgh.
And if gyno were case then Nolva 40mg for 1 week then 20mg a week and when lump gone 10mg would be ran period.... IGF higher or tits?? Hum....
Also cabar 0.5mg @2× week a must because hgh can cause prolactin spikes each time u dose without estro to open door... Hgh prolactin not exactly same mechanism as deca or tren!!!

About t4 or t3/t4, I have been on hgh and fine with cruise, I added bulking gear or a blast and lethergy plus carpal tunnel syndrome with edema in hands during sleep! Or trying to sleep!!! So test free t4 levels or go by feel and hypothyroid symtoms.

100mcg t4 works well in combo of hgh 2-5iu a day. Adjust till symtoms subside. Novothyral mix best for me with hgh 4iu a day and up. Speaking good testing generic hgh.....

Also hgh or thyroid suppression can come from several mechanisms. Prolactin can increase suppression and suppression can also increase prolactin!!!

I would start Nolva like started let build up kill lump ASAP and stay on maintenance dose. I would use adex at ???? Depending on your test dose!!! And add cabar 0.5mg 2x wk asap. I wouldn't wait on bloods with gyno.

U get gyno from test alone??? What about tren or deca with test???
Is this prolactin gyno or estro? Or both? Are u experiencing hypo-thyroid symtoms??

I been on hgh and on and off t3/t4 or t4 depending... especially when I add a blast. I also have stayed on hgh and off thyroid and adjusted only to end up back needing to add t4 6 months later because lethergy returned!! I have gotten TSH and free t4 confirmations from labs. I just added t4 other day for lethergy. I been on 3.3iu good generic since August after dropping from 5iu and Novothyral.... added blast with tren and wanted to sleep all day, all labs were good just before adding tren....

My experience and option hope it helped

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkHmmm. I didn't know that hgh could affect the thyroid that much at lower iu's.

I haven't been testing my thyroid lvl but have definitely been having lethargy associated with the hgh.

I've also been doing between 5 and 10 iu's a day.

Allot of good info there. Thx.

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[Musclemechanic76]

Hmmm. I didn't know that hgh could affect the thyroid that much at lower iu's.

I haven't been testing my thyroid lvl but have definitely been having lethargy associated with the hgh.

I've also been doing between 5 and 10 iu's a day.

Allot of good info there. Thx.

Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkI didn't think at 2iu it would either and never had it except over 4-5iu..
I just added t4 on 3.3iu because when I added more test and tren... bam...

But Thyroxine Binding Glubolin I am been reading about with gear lowering free 4 by binding it to not be able to convert. Tren especially.

Also brother I have thyroid derangement issues in my family and I been more sensitive. Those with issues affected more from hgh..

It's all good to share. And I know many who are like u and use more and no need for t4 or combo t3/t4.

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[Oldskool]

I didn't think at 2iu it would either and never had it except over 4-5iu..
I just added t4 on 3.3iu because when I added more test and tren... bam...

But Thyroxine Binding Glubolin I am been reading about with gear lowering free 4 by binding it to not be able to convert. Tren especially.

Also brother I have thyroid derangement issues in my family and I been more sensitive. Those with issues affected more from hgh..

It's all good to share. And I know many who are like u and use more and no need for t4 or combo t3/t4.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkAh ok. Well I'll still get it checked next time around just to take a look.

Thx

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[Sinister9912]

Yes I tend to get gyno from test alone and I’m pretty sensitive in the past to estrogen. Whenever I’ve taken tren I’ve always pretty much ran caber. I didn’t know that hgh could also raise prolactin too. I appreciate the heads up on that. I’ll blast the lump with Nolva and then throw in some caber weekly. I assumed this was all estrogen since like I said it didn’t start until I stopped my proviron.

my understanding was that it was not good to lower igf levels while on hgh, is that correct or so I have it backwards?

this is my first run with hgh so excuse my lack of knowledge but what are the sides of hypo-thyroidism? I was getting terrible carpal tunnel until just recently. Not sure if the aromasin played a part in making that subside or not? And I definitely went through a phase where I felt extremely tired and it still comes and goes now and then. So not sure if that’s what you were also referring to or not?
appreciate all the feedback fellas..

[Musclemechanic76]

Yes I tend to get gyno from test alone and I’m pretty sensitive in the past to estrogen. Whenever I’ve taken tren I’ve always pretty much ran caber. I didn’t know that hgh could also raise prolactin too. I appreciate the heads up on that. I’ll blast the lump with Nolva and then throw in some caber weekly. I assumed this was all estrogen since like I said it didn’t start until I stopped my proviron.

my understanding was that it was not good to lower igf levels while on hgh, is that correct or so I have it backwards?

this is my first run with hgh so excuse my lack of knowledge but what are the sides of hypo-thyroidism? I was getting terrible carpal tunnel until just recently. Not sure if the aromasin played a part in making that subside or not? And I definitely went through a phase where I felt extremely tired and it still comes and goes now and then. So not sure if that’s what you were also referring to or not?
appreciate all the feedback fellas..It's not common to need t4 with only 2iu Hgh! What kind of hgh are u using? Pharma?
U shouldn't need any t4 with 2iu but some guys get suppression from 2iu long term.. best way is to test TSH and Free t4 levels as a start!!
Nolva will not hurt anything the point is to allow max IGF out put. Being on hgh will increase IGF but how much is specific from person to person and liver function as well!!
In your case stop gyno with nolva and if u sensitive to gyno maybe use low dose Nolva 10mg a day on most of your blast above TRT dose of test!! U know with higher test and other aromatasing gear.
Wipe out the gyno asap and get your estro under control!!!
Proviron and mast both work and lowering estro and prolactin by binding same way dht does. But how well depends.
It's good to use proviron but I wouldn't use in place of an AI if I had gyno.
I would use adex at 0.5mg 3x what most for myself but would take 1mg off bat if gyno came.
So take Nolva 40mg a day say 4 days, take adex 1mg, then take Nolva 20mg a day 4 days then lump should be pretty small and once u can't find it easy go to 10mg a day Nolva. Your adex will need to be dosed at 2 to 3 times week depending on test dose and how u respond. 0.5mg adex normally enough. I prefer adex to Aromasin. To me it's aromasin that is tough to dose!!! Proviron can be used at 50mg a day to help keep adex lower and have more DHT that fights estro and gyno off.
I often use 50mg proviron a day, 10mg Nolva a day and 0.5mg adex 2x wk even on heavy runs.
Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk good to take on case it's prolactin and prolactin can build up slowly like from hgh and increase from cortisol and other meds or situations in life!!
How is sex drive and boners??? If prolactin culprit u would be having issues with sex lack of sensitivity and limp noodle before cumming for sure!!!
Correct form of vitamin B6 100mg a day. Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (P5P):*this is the bio-active form of Vitamin B6, and is an important co-factor in the synthesis of dopamine which is a prime inhibitor of prolactin release.
Other than that looks like u just need to wipe gyno out asap!!! And don't believe everything u read. Nolva has been safely used in bodybuilding s long time. Nolva will not negatively affect or impact anything that is worth not using it as safeguard!!! The Torim or whatever u asked about I wouldn't bother, it's got more sides than nolva besides the IGF thing. And its something that really hadn't been used much if u ask around!! Sure I read all those things too about it!!! Lol!!
We have the main staples available gear, hgh, annicilleries etc etc... we can only tweek so much out of them but it's gets to a point that we gotta use a little more rather than sit with other sides trying to optimize something because something.....
In those who have no gyno issues maybe not use Nolva with IGF?? But most guys I know who been doing this 20 years all use Nolva, gear, and hgh some t4 if they find it necessary.

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[Sinister9912]

Awesome thank you brother I appreciate you taking the time to explain that all to me. I’ve been using aas for almost 20 years now, but have just now finally decided to cross over into hgh. My biggest concerns with hgh was that cancer and tumors run in my family. That’s why I’ve been running it so low at 2iu. So my knowledge is very minimal with growth.

to answer your question about what type of hgh I am on, I’ve done a couple kits of pharma mixed with a couple kits of ugl. But right now I’m on just the Chinese stuff.
I started the Nolva like you advised and it should hopefully clear up everything. Sex drive seems ok. I use cilais daily so boners are alright. Hopefully it’s not prolactin, but I’ll know soon enough.