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07-15-2012, 04:31 PM
Fighting Gynecomastia


By: Eric Potratz
16 Ways to Fight Gynecomastia

Eric M. Potratz has developed his education in the field of endocrinology and performance enhancement through years of research, counseling, and real world experience. Over the past five years he has been a private consultant for hundreds of athletes and bodybuilders alike, and is the founder & president of Primordial Performance.

Gynecomastia = Gyno

Most people think the only way to combat gyno is to use Nolvadex or Clomid. Considering the undesirable side-effects of these drugs, I generally don’t prefer these as the first line of defense. I have expressed my concerns about SERM’s in my article – Clomid & Nolvadex – The Dark Side.

In this article I summarize alternative methods for combating the occurrence of gyno. The advice given in this article is the result of over 10 years experience in counseling individuals with AAS induced gyno.

If you have gyno as a result of an endocrine disorder, I advise consulting your doctor before making changes to your prescribed medical regimen.

You Do Not Have Gyno!

During mammary tissue growth (the onset of gyno), you may notice the following symptoms -

•Puffy or swollen nipples
•Overly sensitive nipples
•Itchiness around the nipples
Editorial note: I promise -- that is the last time I will ever say nipples.

Now, just because you may have these symptoms does not mean you HAVE GYNO. It simply means that you HAVE GYNO SYMPTOMS. Remember, it is normal to have a small flat pea sized lump under the nipple. This is NOT gyno.

Now, if you allow these above symptoms to progress for several weeks then you may develop gyno. So if you are experiencing any of the above symptoms then you are smart to take action before it’s too late – But please stop emailing me saying you “have gyno” after 3 days on a cycle – this is physiologically impossible.

The good news is that even if you do have a slight case of gyno that you developed from a cycle, it’s probably 100% reversible. Read on…

Nipples.

Gyno Hysteria

No level of gyno is “permanent”. Any level of gyno can be reversed by dietary, supplemental and/or hormonal intervention. Mammary tissue (gyno) can be catabolized like any other tissue in the body. It’s just a matter of creating the right physiological environment within your body. Therefore, as far as I’m concerned, all gyno is temporary or semi-permanent at worse.

Here are the basic levels of gyno -

Level 1 – A dime sized glandular lump – which can emerge as soon as 2-3 weeks after “gyno symptoms” appear. This type of gyno can transform into a more serious level 2 gyno if left untreated for more than 4-6 weeks. In most cases, this initial level 1 gyno disappears once the hormonal environment improves, which is generally 2-3 weeks after the inflicting steroids clear the system.

Level 2 – A quarter sized glandular lump. This type of gyno does not completely disappear on its own, but may gradually shrink to “Level 1” size after discontinuing the inflicting steroids. Completely reversing level 2 gyno requires aggressive dietary and supplemental intervention in conjunction with prescription grade drugs.

Generally, the levels of gyno can be referred to in the following way –

level 1 = temporary

level 2 = semi-permanent

Be warned, if gyno is allowed to grow large enough, the cost of surgery may be more cost efficient than trying to battle the gyno through drug and lifestyle changes – which could otherwise take months or years of intervention.

Following the 16 points below will help you prevent and reverse level 1 & 2 gyno -
The 16 Points

Consider all the following points. Remember, there are many factors that can contribute to gyno and performing just a handful of the points below may be the key to avoiding gyno all together.

1. Your naturally occurring 5a-reduced metabolites are your friends in preventing and reversing gyno. 5a-reduced metabolites include androsterone, androstanedione, androstanediol and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) as the most powerful 5a-reduced hormone. These hormones help prevent gyno by lowering estrogen and blocking the effect of estrogen at the hormone receptor. (1-8) Unless you have serious androgen related hair loss you want to keep your 5a-reduced metabolites relatively high to avoid gyno.

Methods for increasing 5a-reduced metabolites (DHT) are listed in preferred order –

•Topical testosterone applied to the scrotum will rapidly increase DHT levels with minimal estrogen conversion. (for more information on topical steroids, read this article)
•Use a DHT pro-hormone such as androsterone, found in AndroHard. This will raise DHT with zero risk of estrogen conversion.
•Injectable testosterone along with an AI to prevent excessive estrogen conversion.
•High dose oral 4-DHEA or DHEA along with an AI to prevent excessive estrogen conversion.
2. If you are concerned about gyno, avoid finesteride at all costs. It lowers all 5a-reduced metabolites to undesirable levels and has an extremely long half-life which continues to suppress DHT levels long after discontinuing the drug. (9) Progesterone would be a better anti-DHT alternative if you are concerned with hair loss. Plus, progesterone can clear the system within 24hrs making a mistake in dosing much less risky.

3. Almost all sources of gyno can be linked back to having insufficient levels of 5a-reduced metabolites in the body. In theory, any amount of estrogen/progesterone can be blocked by sufficient DHT. (10-14) Also, high DHT and enlargement of the prostate is a myth, however high estrogen and high DHT can lead to an inflamed prostate, so you want to at least make an effort to keep estrogen in a normal range. (14)

4. Trenbolone, TREN, Nandrolone can cause gyno because they lack a potent 5a-reduced metabolite (dihydronandrolone is weaker than dihydrotestosterone). (15) If you are worried about gyno from progestational steroids you should consider boosting your 5a-reduced metabolites during the cycle (mentioned above). This can avoid most if not all of the gyno problems associated with progestational hormones. I should mention here that aromatase inhibitors alone (AI’s) will not help prevent gyno from progestational compounds. It is the antagonistic action of 5a-reduced hormones that is required.

5. Nothing is going to antagonize estrogen at the estrogen receptor (ER) better than actual DHT. While DHT derivatives or analogs such as Anavar, Winstrol, Masteron, Epistane, Superdrone, ect may be 5a-reduced, they cannot convert to actual DHT and thus cannot directly inhibit gyno at the receptor level (since they lack the ultra-high binding affinity for the AR that true DHT possesses). (16)

6. Natural anti-estrogens (resveratrol, chrysin, I3C, DIM, ect) are great for PCT and can stimulate the HPTA and manage healthy estrogen metabolism, but they are not strong enough to prevent aromatization from high doses of aromatizing steroids. Don’t rely on these to prevent gyno during a cycle.

7. Reducing prolactin will reduce the overall stimulation on mammary growth. Suppressing prolactin is useful as a temporary method to help slow or stop gyno growth. However, continuing anti-prolactin treatment is not recommended to be continued beyond 8 weeks. Methods of suppressing prolactin include –

•Vitex at 460mg/day
•Vitamin B6 at 200-400mg/day
•Mucuna Pruriens (15%-20% L-Dopa) 4-6g/day
•Increasing DHT may also lower prolactin release (17)
8. Don’t fiddle with your nipples. This increases prolactin release which can make gyno worse.

9. IGF-1, GH, insulin and prolactin are all potent growth factors in gyno growth. Limiting these hormones will reduce the likelihood of experiencing gyno symptoms. “Bulking” (aka., eating-a-shitload-of-everything) will increase most of the growth factors listed above. Cutting calories (especially carbohydrates) will suppress insulin and IGF-1 therefore reducing the overall stimulatory effect on mammary growth. Ketogenic diet = less risk of gyno.

10. Body fat (adipose tissue) is the main site for androgens to convert to estrogens. Therefore, being overweight or having high body fat increases your gyno risk. This is another good reason to go on a cutting cycle if you are gyno prone. Reducing body fat will lower your rate of estrogen conversion from aromatizing steroids. (18)

11. Caffeine consumption can inhibit clearance of estrogen from the liver by competing for the P-450 oxidase system. Avoid caffeine if you are concerned about high estrogen levels.

12. Avoid supplements containing forskolin if concerned about gyno. Forskolin increases aromatase activity via cAMP modulation and can increase formation of estrogen. (23,24)

13. Increasing fiber intake (both soluble and insoluble) can enhance clearance of estrogens from the intestines. Research shows that increasing fiber intake in humans can reduce estrogen levels by up to 22%. (19)

14. Reducing estrogen below the normal range (such as over dosing arimidex, letrozol, aromasin or formestane) can eventually reduce SHBG levels, thus allowing more estrogen to freely circulate (by offsetting it from SHBG). Higher levels of freely circulating estrogen can amplify breast tissue growth (20). SHBG also appears to have anti-estrogenic effects at the cell receptor level. (21, 22) Avoiding over suppression of SHBG will reduce your gyno risk.

15. Don’t be afraid to lower the dose mid cycle. People have a tendency to panic at the first sign of gyno and drop everything. Generally, just lowering the dose of the afflicting steroid can offer gyno relief within 4-5 days.

16. Save SERM’s as your last resort against gyno. You do not need a SERM (tormifene, clomid or nolva) to avoid gyno from a properly planned cycle. If you are still having gyno problems after following the above points, consider the fact that you have a poorly planned cycle and you need to revaluate the compounds you have chosen.

PAiN
07-15-2012, 06:04 PM
Great post bro! Stickied!

omni
07-15-2012, 06:31 PM
Great article! Actually learned something here.

RussianBear
07-15-2012, 09:40 PM
thanks!

VIOLATER
07-15-2012, 10:00 PM
Nice article! Good read!



Nipple.....

PAiN
07-15-2012, 10:32 PM
^^^LOL

sniperfire
08-10-2012, 07:02 AM
Awsome article. Thanks

tower7697
08-12-2012, 06:48 PM
good to know, lots of good info.

capytan
10-03-2012, 01:52 AM
I'm about to have the mammary tissue removed surgically in a week on both sides. Does that mean it's going to be impossible for me to get gyno or just less likely. Also, since that is how I used to determine whether or not I needed to up my estrogen blockers (if I started swelling I up my dosage) how will I know, besides bloodwork, that I need more blockers? I'm new, this may not be the best thread to post this on, so if I should be somewhere else just let me know. Thanks!

juice
10-23-2012, 05:16 PM
great read!

Ilb34
10-26-2012, 04:11 PM
Nice post bro

bbcoach
10-27-2012, 01:46 AM
ok got a question. my nipples are always hard? whats up with that? do i have gyno?

Skipdigler
10-27-2012, 02:53 AM
Great post indeed

Dath
10-27-2012, 05:36 AM
ok got a question. my nipples are always hard? whats up with that? do i have gyno?

It's common bro, mine are hard often as well. Its the outside hormones causing it. Lol it's not the only thing Test makes hard.
Gyno signs to watch for- sensitivity of the nipples, puffy nipples, the biggest tell tale sign-lumps behind them.

Structure88
11-13-2012, 12:41 AM
Thanks great info bro

pate1
01-27-2013, 06:13 PM
Great read

sonofJOR-EL
01-27-2013, 06:33 PM
AMAZING post brother

peewee
04-02-2013, 02:16 AM
Thanks. Good read

zombieslayer
04-02-2013, 02:55 AM
Thanks! Great read!

jdb3
04-02-2013, 04:47 AM
No level of gyno is “permanent”. Any level of gyno can be reversed by dietary, supplemental and/or hormonal intervention. Mammary tissue (gyno) can be catabolized like any other tissue in the body. It’s just a matter of creating the right physiological environment within your body. Therefore, as far as I’m concerned, all gyno is temporary or semi-permanent at worse.



I disagree with this statement, I have seen one case of SEVERE gyno that was irreverasable, doctors said that surgery would be the only option.

Ummmmm, Im sorry but you gonna need more than some b6 if you have hormone induced gyno. PERIOD

HOW I BEAT GYNO, YES I HAVE BEAT IT!

Nickel sized lumps formed in my glands and stayed even after I DISCONTINUED DIANABOL.....They were there for 1-2 months, when I went back on, they got bigger....

DAY 1 _ disconitued dbol
DAY 2 1.25 FEMERA (letro)
DAY 3 .75mg FEMERA
DAY 4 .75 FEMERA
DAY 5 .50 FEMERA with 20 nolvadex
DAY 6 .25 FEMERA with 20mg nolvadex
DAY 7 APPROX .12 FEMERA with 20mg nolvadex


DAY 7-14 Nolva dex at 20mg


IT IS VITAL TO RUN NOLVA PAST LETRO OR A SEVERE REBOUND COULD TAKE EFFECT.....

I have helped MANY people combat gyno


NO OFFENSE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER BUT I GIVE THIS ARTICLE A THUMBS DOWN!!!!

BS....Treating hormone induced gyno with OTC supps? DHT MAY REDUCE? I dont know about you, but I dont have room for may, I need WILL

The protocall I used was for estro induced gyno, there is a diff one for prolactin induced.

Soryy to sound harsh, I just disagree based on personal experience


(masteron is siad to help reduce aromatization from estro)

jdb3
04-02-2013, 04:50 AM
the high doses of FEMERA was for the treatment of gyno, the nolva prevented rebound and blocked mamma tissue from recieving. IF you got gyno, its too late for adex fellas, time for the strong stuff. Based on PERSONAL EXP

note: the severe case I seen was from prolactin...and believe me...SEVERE (ever seen saggy granny nipples?)




and also...show me one study where DHEA prevents estro conversion....one

jdb3
04-02-2013, 05:00 AM
Eric Potraz is a fucking dumbass....I am not one of these dickhead "bashing" mods.....but that is some bullshit. I have helped treat MANY cases of gyno from estro IN PERSON with success.....DHEA helps stop the conversion of Estro? Show me one study/......ONE...and I will show you ten that says otherwise.....

I got rid of my gyno (huge ass lumps) in as little as 10 days...fuck using vitamins and reducing caffience, you need PRESCRIPTION MEDS. PERIOD.

NO OFFENSE BROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you got REAL gyno, you need REAL treatment

This guy thinks because it is shown that high estr levels have been shown to SLIGHTLY decrease DHEA levels that increasing DHEA will surpress it...WRONG....High levels of DHEA in males help stimulate estro.

I am not flamming you bro, but who is the author? How many times has he treated gyno with fucking vitamins and shit...has he ever had gyno..has he ever seen severe gyno? ...i doubt it....

mizzou24
04-02-2013, 06:19 AM
He was the owner of primordial performance..

jdb3
04-02-2013, 10:45 AM
He was the owner of primordial performance..

ahhh makes perfect sense, push supplements, not rx drugs he cant sell. either way.

jdb3
04-02-2013, 10:46 AM
im sure he sold 4-dhea, dhea n vitamins, ect

mizzou24
04-02-2013, 02:25 PM
im sure he sold 4-dhea, dhea n vitamins, ect

No he sold prohormones one which actually was pretty good at reversing gyno.. Androhard. He's actually a pretty smart guy.. He was the first person to use grapefruit extract to increase absorption.. He was very good at marketing which got his company on trouble lol.. Leading the steroid revolution apparently didn't go well with the dea.. They sent swat teams to their doors and shut primordial down.

PAiN
04-02-2013, 09:28 PM
No level of gyno is “permanent”. Any level of gyno can be reversed by dietary, supplemental and/or hormonal intervention. Mammary tissue (gyno) can be catabolized like any other tissue in the body. It’s just a matter of creating the right physiological environment within your body. Therefore, as far as I’m concerned, all gyno is temporary or semi-permanent at worse.



I disagree with this statement, I have seen one case of SEVERE gyno that was irreverasable, doctors said that surgery would be the only option.

Ummmmm, Im sorry but you gonna need more than some b6 if you have hormone induced gyno. PERIOD

HOW I BEAT GYNO, YES I HAVE BEAT IT!

Nickel sized lumps formed in my glands and stayed even after I DISCONTINUED DIANABOL.....They were there for 1-2 months, when I went back on, they got bigger....

DAY 1 _ disconitued dbol
DAY 2 1.25 FEMERA (letro)
DAY 3 .75mg FEMERA
DAY 4 .75 FEMERA
DAY 5 .50 FEMERA with 20 nolvadex
DAY 6 .25 FEMERA with 20mg nolvadex
DAY 7 APPROX .12 FEMERA with 20mg nolvadex


DAY 7-14 Nolva dex at 20mg


IT IS VITAL TO RUN NOLVA PAST LETRO OR A SEVERE REBOUND COULD TAKE EFFECT.....

I have helped MANY people combat gyno


NO OFFENSE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER BUT I GIVE THIS ARTICLE A THUMBS DOWN!!!!

BS....Treating hormone induced gyno with OTC supps? DHT MAY REDUCE? I dont know about you, but I dont have room for may, I need WILL

The protocall I used was for estro induced gyno, there is a diff one for prolactin induced.

Soryy to sound harsh, I just disagree based on personal experience


(masteron is siad to help reduce aromatization from estro)


I gotta agree with you on that bro I use the letro method as well..Thanks for adding that to this thread..... This looks like more of a natural way to do it....

I agree and disagree with things said in this article.

mizzou24
04-02-2013, 09:58 PM
I don't agree with it either letro and ralox works wonders together

Boltbreaker
04-16-2013, 02:33 PM
I had a bit of Gyno on my last cycle back in 07. I was a retard and ran Deca only after a Sust Deca cycle previously. I opted to have it cut out for free while on 2 yr Vacation and it was a 6mm painful lump behind R Nip. I hated that shit and was embarrasing which is why I waited a bit to deal with it hoping it would go when I was off cycle. Having these boards now is a life saver, hell I didnt know these existed back when I was cycling more. Back then it was more info that was passed down from the Guys I was getting it from. And I made some mistakes but not anymore! I run Dex now .25 EOD while on to curb the Estro a bit