Intra carb question

[animal23]

I am going back to fasted cardio and PM lift. I put my carbs around my workout. Would it be better to do pre and post or pre, intra, and post. It would be 24g pre, 25g intra, and 29g post. I could add more post, but I am cutting. So curious on which would be better

[JimmyMcFistacuff]

Great question... I will see the answers from the diet gurus.

I am searching for the cross between leaning aout and having exceptional pumps with workouts. I love having a hellafied pump when I'm " trenning". I hate working out flat.


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[BombdotCom]

I am going back to fasted cardio and PM lift. I put my carbs around my workout. Would it be better to do pre and post or pre, intra, and post. It would be 24g pre, 25g intra, and 29g post. I could add more post, but I am cutting. So curious on which would be betterI've been doing oatmeal a couple hours before workout, karbolyn 25 grams pre/intra and 35 dextrose post. I'm still cutting. My muscles stay full during my entire workout. I'm def not a diet guru. What I did was I took a bunch of advice from different people and tweaked it until I was happy. Unless you're going for a comp ready body, I think you can just do what works for you.

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[animal23]

Great question... I will see the answers from the diet gurus.

I am searching for the cross between leaning aout and having exceptional pumps with workouts. I love having a hellafied pump when I'm " trenning". I hate working out flat.


JMcF.




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Hbcd do help and pink salt and cialis

[maxmuscle1]

Hbcd do help and pink salt and cialis

Where do you get the best deal on plain, pure powdered HBCD? Just curious!

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[animal23]

Where do you get the best deal on plain, pure powdered HBCD? Just curious!

Max


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I use gaspari
If you want plain, try true nutrition. I guess you can get plain glycofuse

[JimmyMcFistacuff]

Hbcd do help and pink salt and cialisI use a little salt(sometimes PHS) and cialis. It's just not the same as the good old carb pump. Haha.

Not so helpful when trying g to lean down. I just hate feeling flat when I know I have the gear protocol to feel like an animal.

Catch 22, I reckon.


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[animal23]

I use a little salt(sometimes PHS) and cialis. It's just not the same as the good old carb pump. Haha.

Not so helpful when trying g to lean down. I just hate feeling flat when I know I have the gear protocol to feel like an animal.

Catch 22, I reckon.


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How many carbs you eating and how do you space them out bro? Maybe I can help

[JimmyMcFistacuff]

How many carbs you eating and how do you space them out bro? Maybe I can helpThanks Animal.

Im doing IF and workout in am. Then start eating around 1 to 9pm. I am ALSO cycling carbs(let me say, I'm trying). So, some days I am at like 50. Then I go to like 300. To 150. I try to use higher to get the next day pump on arms or chest. I try to do a 500 refeed on sunday(rest). I do low fat on high days. Higher fat on low days.

Thanks bro. I appreciate it.

Send it to me in a PM. I dont want to hijack my man's thread.


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[animal23]

Thanks Animal.

Im doing IF and workout in am. Then start eating around 1 to 9pm. I am ALSO cycling carbs(let me say, I'm trying). So, some days I am at like 50. Then I go to like 300. To 150. I try to use higher to get the next day pump on arms or chest. I try to do a 500 refeed on sunday(rest). I do low fat on high days. Higher fat on low days.

Thanks bro. I appreciate it.

Send it to me in a PM. I dont want to hijack my man's thread.


JMcF.

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300 is alot to push around your lift, but I've seen it done and I've pushed a little over 200 when bulking

You will be flat on 50g. I would take your carbs and use them pre, intra, and post. When you have days that are higher you could use 50g intra and I would at least split up the pre and post workout meal. You need to recover

If your pushing enough water and not fat you won't retain any water by adding sodium. Use 1/4 tsp of pink salt in your intra. It will also give amazing pump and veiny. You could even use it in a pre instead or even both. You got to play around with it to see what works.

Once your calories get low or if you sweat alot, you need to increase your sodium in your meals. You will flatten if you don't. You just have to find the sweet spot. You may retain some water at first, but it will go away within the week. I use pink salt, but some use natural sea salt since it has iodine.
It increase thyroid aka burns more fat. You will feel a little warmer.
Pink salt has minerals. Aj sims aka cement factory uses both. Pink salt around the workout and sea salt on meals.
Everyone has personal preference on which one to use

Vertical diet is huge about sodium. If you have cholesterol problems, I advise YOU NOT TO DO THIS lol

I do have the vertical diet book. Interesting stuff. PM man if you want it

I am salting my foods now, but will eventually be using 1/4 tsp on all meals

I would like to add calories in to be honest. I had 16g added fats and carbs are about 82g. I don't count my broccoli lol

[maxmuscle1]

I use gaspari
If you want plain, try true nutrition. I guess you can get plain glycofuse

Thanks animal!

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[animal23]

Thanks animal!

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Nutrabio makes one as well

[Drillit]

I am going back to fasted cardio and PM lift. I put my carbs around my workout. Would it be better to do pre and post or pre, intra, and post. It would be 24g pre, 25g intra, and 29g post. I could add more post, but I am cutting. So curious on which would be better

For cutting I would forego the pre workout carbs. If you really want something a slice of white bread and some sugar free jam. My personal (cutting) protocol is 40g highly branched cyclic dextrin (karbolyn, glycofuse etc) mixed with my bcaa intra. Post I hit 1 cup of white rice with my chicken. An hour later I do more protein and 1 cup of frozen cherries in the blender. Those are all the carbs I’ll consume when cutting. I’d personally stay away from slow digesting carbs when cutting and keep them all fast and only around workouts. You want to keep blood sugar under 100 when not working out and then spike it around lifts. This keeps your pancreas from releasing insulin until your lifting, thus pushing all the carbs you consume into your muscles as opposed to fat stores. I personally steer clear of dextrose as it’s harder for the body to digest than dextrin.

[maxmuscle1]

For cutting I would forego the pre workout carbs. If you really want something a slice of white bread and some sugar free jam. My personal (cutting) protocol is 40g highly branched cyclic dextrin (karbolyn, glycofuse etc) mixed with my bcaa intra. Post I hit 1 cup of white rice with my chicken. An hour later I do more protein and 1 cup of frozen cherries in the blender. Those are all the carbs I’ll consume when cutting. I’d personally stay away from slow digesting carbs when cutting and keep them all fast and only around workouts. You want to keep blood sugar under 100 when not working out and then spike it around lifts. This keeps your pancreas from releasing insulin until your lifting, thus pushing all the carbs you consume into your muscles as opposed to fat stores. I personally steer clear of dextrose as it’s harder for the body to digest than dextrin.

Cherries are interesting in that they have the lowest glycemic index of almost any other fruit and they are high in natural melatonin. I like to add them to my cottage cheese before bed.

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[Drillit]

Cherries are interesting in that they have the lowest glycemic index of almost any other fruit and they are high in natural melatonin. I like to add them to my cottage cheese before bed.

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Not to mention the taste mixing with chocolate protein! I usually lift in the evening so this shake usually happens right before bedtime. It was recommended to me by a coach I used last year and I’ve loved it ever since. Unfortunately, I’ve had to give up the cherries in place of oats recently in the name of bulking.

[animal23]

For cutting I would forego the pre workout carbs. If you really want something a slice of white bread and some sugar free jam. My personal (cutting) protocol is 40g highly branched cyclic dextrin (karbolyn, glycofuse etc) mixed with my bcaa intra. Post I hit 1 cup of white rice with my chicken. An hour later I do more protein and 1 cup of frozen cherries in the blender. Those are all the carbs I’ll consume when cutting. I’d personally stay away from slow digesting carbs when cutting and keep them all fast and only around workouts. You want to keep blood sugar under 100 when not working out and then spike it around lifts. This keeps your pancreas from releasing insulin until your lifting, thus pushing all the carbs you consume into your muscles as opposed to fat stores. I personally steer clear of dextrose as it’s harder for the body to digest than dextrin.

I agree, carbs around your workout
.I don't eat fruit when I cut, but that's me. Only fruit i would eat is blueberries

[animal23]

Why not use a shake post workout and save the chicken for an hour later? I want something to digest rapidly, but that's me

[Drillit]

Why not use a shake post workout and save the chicken for an hour later? I want something to digest rapidly, but that's me

The rice digests rapidly post workout.

[animal23]

The rice digests rapidly post workout.

Right, but the chicken won't

[Drillit]

Right, but the chicken won't

Both coaches I have used had my post workout meal as solid food so I stay with it. That and I enjoy eating!

[raphydeez]

Just curious... What does "i am cutting" have to do with carb intake? There is many many many studies that indicate time of carb intake and amount of carbs has nothing to do with FAT loss. Will carbs make you retain more water? Sure they will, but that is completely irrelevant to fat loss. The only thing thats proven is sufficient protein intake and being in a caloric deficit. If those two key things are in check, then it doesn't matter. Measuring your carbs to the nearest gram is a waste of time and a bunch of bro science. If anyone has any legitimate studies i can view to back the claim of carbs affecting fat loss i would love to see it. But you wont find it.

[animal23]

Just curious... What does "i am cutting" have to do with carb intake? There is many many many studies that indicate time of carb intake and amount of carbs has nothing to do with FAT loss. Will carbs make you retain more water? Sure they will, but that is completely irrelevant to fat loss. The only thing thats proven is sufficient protein intake and being in a caloric deficit. If those two key things are in check, then it doesn't matter. Measuring your carbs to the nearest gram is a waste of time and a bunch of bro science. If anyone has any legitimate studies i can view to back the claim of carbs affecting fat loss i would love to see it. But you wont find it.

How is measuring your food bro science? Let's say you eat 8 times a day. You think your getting 200 carbs from eyeballing your food. Well in reality your adding an additional 25g of carbs per meal. That's 200 more carbs which is 800 additional calories. So I don't get how measuring your food intake is bro science

I don't get what your saying

[maxmuscle1]

How is measuring your food bro science? Let's say you eat 8 times a day. You think your getting 200 carbs from eyeballing your food. Well in reality your adding an additional 25g of carbs per meal. That's 200 more carbs which is 800 additional calories. So I don't get how measuring your food intake is bro science

I don't get what your saying

Measuring and keeping a log is a great way to chart why or when good or bad things happen during any training program. I personally can look back and see real stats. It helps

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[Drillit]

Just curious... What does "i am cutting" have to do with carb intake? There is many many many studies that indicate time of carb intake and amount of carbs has nothing to do with FAT loss. Will carbs make you retain more water? Sure they will, but that is completely irrelevant to fat loss. The only thing thats proven is sufficient protein intake and being in a caloric deficit. If those two key things are in check, then it doesn't matter. Measuring your carbs to the nearest gram is a waste of time and a bunch of bro science. If anyone has any legitimate studies i can view to back the claim of carbs affecting fat loss i would love to see it. But you wont find it.

So measuring my carbs to the nearest gram tells me first and foremost how many calories I’m taking in. I suppose that’s bro science also? Calories in calories out. I don’t need to link a study. Measuring and timing carbs around workouts controls blood sugar, which controls insulin releases. Insulin is a storage hormone. If timed incorrectly a spike in blood sugar can cause food to be stored as adipose tissue. If times properly the carbs you consume will be pushed into the muscles as glycogen with the insulin release caused by said Intake being the key that lets them in.
Carb timing is key. Cutting or bulking.
International society of sports nutrition position stand: nutrient timing (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5596471/)

[animal23]

Measuring and keeping a log is a great way to chart why or when good or bad things happen during any training program. I personally can look back and see real stats. It helps

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100%

[maxmuscle1]

So measuring my carbs to the nearest gram tells me first and foremost how many calories I’m taking in. I suppose that’s bro science also? Calories in calories out. I don’t need to link a study. Measuring and timing carbs around workouts controls blood sugar, which controls insulin releases. Insulin is a storage hormone. If timed incorrectly a spike in blood sugar can cause food to be stored as adipose tissue. If times properly the carbs you consume will be pushed into the muscles as glycogen with the insulin release caused by said Intake being the key that lets them in.
Carb timing is key. Cutting or bulking.
International society of sports nutrition position stand: nutrient timing (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5596471/)

Drillit, your on the money with that post! I pay more attention to carbs than any other macro. There are so many factors ie. type of carb, GI index, type of chain, etc. It takes a lot of people
a decade to learn about nutrition, which is about 90% of success in this industry. Cycles and workouts matter but not nearly as much as proper diet and nutrient timing of macros. I like your style. You too Animal!!

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[animal23]

I agree, timing is huge!

[BombdotCom]

Jim stoppani program goes like this.

Fat = .5g x body weight
Protein = 1.5g x body weight
Carbs = 1.5 x body weight

If you're trying to shred you lower your carbs slowly over time.

If you're trying to bulk you raise your carbs slowly over time.

Your fat and protein stays the same. People post crazy results. My brothers currently doing it. Hes getting ripped as fuck. Hes only on TRT.

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[animal23]

Jim stoppani program goes like this.

Fat = .5g x body weight
Protein = 1.5g x body weight
Carbs = 1.5 x body weight

If you're trying to shred you lower your carbs slowly over time.

If you're trying to bulk you raise your carbs slowly over time.

Your fat and protein stays the same. People post crazy results. My brothers currently doing it. Hes getting ripped as fuck. Hes only on TRT.

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Within time you have to bring the fats down. I know it's not healthy, but part of the game.

[BombdotCom]

Within time you have to bring the fats down. I know it's not healthy, but part of the game.True I believe these are more for the average lifter rather than competing or even AAS users. But it is a good starting point for sure.

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