need pointer on cyc plan

[superdave]

in around 9 months plan to run cycle and got a rough draft that will be posted by tonight just wanting few heads ups

[PAiN]

Sounds good bro. Looking forward to checking it out.

[exphys88]

Post it up

[Dath]

Plenty of input available here at BOP bro

[dexitrim]

Well?

[akhusker]

I thnk maybe he just wanted to check out the sponsor pages, haha

[superdave]

looks like this
1-4weeks
500mg eq
400mg mast eth
500 test e
tbol 50mg ( i plan to run the tbol for 6weeks)

weeks 5-8
500 test e / 200 test p
600 eq
400mast e


weeks 9-12
600 eq
400mast e
500 test e/ 300 test p

weeks 12-16
500 test e / 150 test p
400 EQ
300 mast e
winni 50mg

2 weeks after last shot PCT
same pct as as dr.scally pct
Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day

[exphys88]

AI?
Why not kickstart w prop?

[Tank]

I hope this is not your first cycle.

[Dath]

What's your stats brother?

[superdave]

exphys88 the AI will be aromsin do the the idea of it helping igf.(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11983488 )thinking of adding priovern to the pct also or few weeks before last injetion. might kick start with prop but idea was to wait tell every thing was well into my system.
3rd cycle fank if you need i can up date on what was ran in what amounts.

stats bath
6'1 tall 200 pounds to about 210 right now normaly run around 190 to 185
solid 300+ bench
been lacking the leg work outs for bit here but always keep 450 to about 500 for single. Don't do to much on deadlifts do to past injury. any thing elts i can fill in if needed.

[Dath]

Well you got your AI in there, the only other 2 things I would suggest is if your gonna use the proviron to run it the entire length of the cycle..50mgs ED. Proviron has some AI qualities to it, but more then anything it will help with all the other compounds throughout the cycle. I'd also kick off with the prop as EX suggested and consider front loading the long ester as well.
But those 2 choices are up to you brother all in all looks good :)
We differ on pct theory's but lots of guys swear by Doc Scully's layout.

[exphys88]

Well you got your AI in there, the only other 2 things I would suggest is if your gonna use the proviron to run it the entire length of the cycle..50mgs ED. Proviron has some AI qualities to it, but more then anything it will help with all the other compounds throughout the cycle. I'd also kick off with the prop as EX suggested and consider front loading the long ester as well.
But those 2 choices are up to you brother all in all looks good :)
We differ on pct theory's but lots of guys swear by Doc Scully's layout.

good info here

[katelly]

I always liked prop tren 150 to kickstart

[superdave]

katelly i waitning to get few more ccycles under my belt before hitting tren. this is only 3rd cycle .
yeah priovern great stuffand 50mg is the least i could see useing great to git rid water waight i ( realy got me thinking this hard ).

bath i got ask what would you have in minde for pct , seem that theres no pruven pct just ones that work alot better thin otheres.
the lay out i got for pct is high coast and thinking of running lot less hcg or just low amount hcg on cycle.




i thinking of trying to sorce some PT-141 just to try for pct any one ever try it ???????

[Dath]

:)
Dang it SuperDave- it's Dath ..not bath lol..

I run a basic PCT and feel it works great

Aromasin-25/25/12.5/12.5 Ed 4 wks
Clomid-100/100/75/50 ED 4 wks
I up my creatine to 10 grams ED
Vitamin C 3 grams ED
I also up my protein a little bit, drop fats down a little bit, and eat smaller portions at my meals but as close to 2 hrs as I can get, and try and get more rest. Along with adjusting my training to lighter sets.

No input on the Pt-141 as I have not incorporated peptides into my cycles every but have spent time researching and will be at some point :)

Hope this helps some brother

[superdave]

sorry abouth that dath lol
not bad pct simple and not to high coast looks good .
yeah peptides seem kinda like another stip from gear.

[Spawn]

I'd keep your dosing the same throughout the cycle, your blood levels will be going crazy if you keep changing up the doses

[ShortnWide]

1st - prop only in your first 4 weeks. Not after, or at the same dose all the way through the cycle.

2nd - always keep your compound doses the same mg on cycle. Stable levels are everything when running gear. The cycle should start, hit preak levels, stop gear when results slow down, then restablize your natty test ASAP to save as much of your gains as possible.

3rd - I would never run 2500iu hcg EOD or even close to that. The human body can become immune to HCG. The 2500iu EOD is for long time abuse of aas with bad recovery and no intention of running gear again. Run 250iu of HCG every third day. Your only three cycles in, no need for 500 IU yet.

4th - why stop using clom after week 4? Just run together till the end of week 6.


I like the whiny ate the end. I will always through whinny in a cycle or two a year (usually deca). Think it helps harden some of my gains and gives a great look.

[katelly]

Yeah i agree hcg over kill im on cycle 20 maybe and im only doing 500ius twice weekly

[superdave]

yeah i was thinging the same thing i know alot pepole run 500iu every week i think on cyce to keep everything working so hmm got me all thinkin.
I think the runing the prop all the same good idea but i do want to taper off all the compounds as i hit my 2nd oral (winni) so i might just taper off the one the test esters as i just down the dose the othere two compownds.

i might just keep some hcg on hand incase i feel i need it on cycle and try a large first dose with pct and taper down in first week to about 250-500i.u. range what you guys think?

[superdave]

no more ideas

[superdave]

ok ran cycle was ok , think the eq was shit mast was great love it