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cakeman2
08-18-2019, 06:33 PM
Grreetings to all... so i just brewed some 50mg/ml var absolutely painless.

As it is already loser in toxicity is it worth the effort to make an injectable format? Does it chabge the half life or make the ckmpound react differently in some way?

Thanks

Best regards

Popeye*
08-18-2019, 06:45 PM
I’ve been wondering about this recently cause I love Var.

Anxious to see what some of the folks here have to say.

bdogg5442
08-18-2019, 06:45 PM
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chadmack282
08-18-2019, 07:51 PM
Grreetings to all... so i just brewed some 50mg/ml var absolutely painless.

As it is already loser in toxicity is it worth the effort to make an injectable format? Does it chabge the half life or make the ckmpound react differently in some way?

Thanks

Best regards

Lookn Great Cakeman (assume thats u in avatar).

Behemoth
08-19-2019, 02:33 AM
Lookn Great Cakeman (assume thats u in avatar).

Agree look fucking jacked bro

Geardepot
08-19-2019, 07:30 PM
In my opinion I would not inject any oral steroid unless I was having an issue with my appetite or something like that. back in the day I used to use an injectable dbol 50mg. I am one of the guys who can't handle normal oral doses of dbol, as I just absolutely lose my appetite after a few days. I had changed to the inject dbol, and was able to get away with doing 25mg daily injects and was getting far better results then doing the oral version at 50mg day. I am not sure on the Anavar though? Like Is aid, if it was me, I would not want to be sticking myself anymore then I have to, unless I had a issue that prevented me from administering it orally.. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else has used inject Anavar? and how it compared to oral dosing?

joko123
08-19-2019, 08:45 PM
I don’t understand why you’d go through all that trouble when anavar is pretty mild as an oral on the liver when you can just swallow a pill


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blaster
08-20-2019, 06:07 PM
Done it a few years back. Waste of money. Not fun injecting everyday. No reason to inject it as it is not a harsh drug on the liver. As GD just explained, unless you have digestive issues, no reason to inject it.

cakeman2
08-26-2019, 03:41 PM
But making it an injectablr solution does change the half life and absorption. At least for win from what ive been told

Vision
08-26-2019, 04:15 PM
But making it an injectablr solution does change the half life and absorption. At least for win from what ive been told
I wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket.. Depending on the type of carrier oil, carriers also have half-lives, and this can effect the release and absorption of drugs..Types of solvents, oils, and so on all play factors.. The bioavalibility of anavar is already at a greater % compare to many other AAS because it's a 17a-alkylated AAS and do NOT require IM administration because it's predominantly not metabolized by way of the liver.. Just take your Var with coffee!
No joking...

http://www.adop.pt/media/4114/Oxandrolone_excretion_effect_of_caffeine_dosing_.p df

If you don't wish to click the link, short notes:
Researchers in Portugal have discovered many years ago that the bioavailibilty with caffeine and var had a superior interaction with exhibiting it's serum levels almost 20 x fold.. Save the pinning volume for something else like Stenbolone ;)

Theorems
08-26-2019, 04:59 PM
But making it an injectablr solution does change the half life and absorption. At least for win from what ive been told

For injectable var the differences would be:

-higher bioavailability, 50mg of the injectable will be more potent than 50mg of the oral
-would not crash your shgb as hard as the oral version because less would bind to shgb in the liver, that ties into the point above
-lower livertoxcisity, but that isn't even really an issue with var anyways so why bother injecting just for that
-a slightly longer half life due to your body taking extra time to metabolize the oil but not the the same extent as water based winstrol inject.


with winstrol inject as soon as you inject it the winny recrystallizes in the muscle almost immediately and it takes your body a long time to break down the crystals which is why the half life gets extended to greatly. That recrystallization generally doesn't happen with oil based gear.

Popeye*
08-27-2019, 12:33 AM
^^
Cool info guys [emoji1690]

Mikeyz206
08-27-2019, 12:41 AM
I agree I would take it like a oral pill. Cakeman2 you look ripped and your hard work shows well. Great job! I like what vision told you also.

Kindlife
08-27-2019, 01:07 AM
Why take it orally if u can inject it? Injecting it increases half life, makes it stronger by increasing bioavailability, leessens toxicity. If the act of injecting is a negative then go play golf cuz bodybuilding aint for pussies. Every single oral I've injected has been more powerful and produced better results with less side effects than takin it orally. So why take it orally again? Convenience? Eatin 6times a day and goin to the gym 6times a week is inconvenient to normal ppl but we do it cuz we want results.

Vision
08-27-2019, 05:49 PM
Why take it orally if u can inject it? Injecting it increases half life, makes it stronger by increasing bioavailability, leessens toxicity. If the act of injecting is a negative then go play golf cuz bodybuilding aint for pussies. Every single oral I've injected has been more powerful and produced better results with less side effects than takin it orally. So why take it orally again? Convenience? Eatin 6times a day and goin to the gym 6times a week is inconvenient to normal ppl but we do it cuz we want results.
So, your go-to support is that the act of body building is more about injections even if a drug has contradictions by different administration it will always be superior by way of injection, because, pussies don't inject? Interesting..LOL
Do you know anything about Oxandrolone and it's toxicity reports, or even it's oral administration bioavailability percentile? Clearly you don't (It's 97% with up to 9-10 hrs half life, that's damn fucking good and it's not primarily metabolized by the liver).. On paper if a drug is good orally, imagine it being in an injection forum, hmm, this is the mentality of most AAS users, when in fact people fail to recognize that some drugs (there's tons of oral meds to speak of) simply don't need IM/Sub-q routes for many mechanism of actions that take place..Oral administration will facilitate,transport and give the proper uptake that Oxan needs, because of its position it has no barriers or interactions unlike MANY other oral AAS drugs that go through a series of breakdowns that dictate and freeing its availability.. If anything, placing Oxan in a OILY injection form will place it in a "depot" position, slower time release due to the carrier vehicle oil along with many other factors, thus a reason medical practice sees no purpose of value for this route if they did, it would have been used by now.. Now mainly because unlike other compounds that may undergo extensive first-pass metabolism by way of the liver that could hinder them inactive, Oxan doesn't! It's great and very effective just as it is LOL..

Bear in mind it's protected by a 17-carbon, thus it's why its used clinically and therapeutically in oral application.. Imagine that! Same reason some drugs come in orals, injection oil or aqueous, and even creams and gels for that matter, they are structured and positioned for an intend reason..LOLOL

Placing such compounds in a oily suspension/carrier as your route of exposure the absorption will slower for the lipid soluble parenting hormone that is now at the mercy of the ester/half-life of the carrier oil, and solutions.. Now, if we use a carrier or solvent/solution that has a very short half-life (rapid metabolism or absorption such as aqueous) now we ultimately eliminate the process in which the drug is released making it's plasma fast, but VERY short! You can't have STRONGER and more bioavailability, with LONGER HALF LIFE while being superior all in one, and alone just changes the whole dynamics or chemistry all due to wishful thinking.. There's a trade off with everything and this will also come at the expensive of the rapid deployment and activation of enzymes at the injection site and the drugs reaction there after, there will be a chute of responses..A spike in BP would be something to greatly consider..

There's ton of research out there, look it up, I won't dig it up for you, because that would be to much of a "convenience" for you :)

I love my oils and my orals, but I found that cutting corners aren't always what they appear to be.. If something is more convenient for someone, I won't tell them what they can and can't do, all power to them.. But if someone say's "This works this way because I said so", welp, let's talk it..

To all readers, this has already became a topic, let's talk about it... Leave "anecdotal evidence" aside , because that means nothings.. "I snort my dbol and it works"... See how easy that way?

Popeye*
08-28-2019, 12:47 PM
So, your go-to support is that the act of body building is more about injections even if a drug has contradictions by different administration it will always be superior by way of injection, because, pussies don't inject? Interesting..LOL
Do you know anything about Oxandrolone and it's toxicity reports, or even it's oral administration bioavailability percentile? Clearly you don't (It's 97% with up to 9-10 hrs half life, that's damn fucking good and it's not primarily metabolized by the liver).. On paper if a drug is good orally, imagine it being in an injection forum, hmm, this is the mentality of most AAS users, when in fact people fail to recognize that some drugs (there's tons of oral meds to speak of) simply don't need IM/Sub-q routes for many mechanism of actions that take place..Oral administration will facilitate,transport and give the proper uptake that Oxan needs, because of its position it has no barriers or interactions unlike MANY other oral AAS drugs that go through a series of breakdowns that dictate and freeing its availability.. If anything, placing Oxan in a OILY injection form will place it in a "depot" position, slower time release due to the carrier vehicle oil along with many other factors, thus a reason medical practice sees no purpose of value for this route if they did, it would have been used by now.. Now mainly because unlike other compounds that may undergo extensive first-pass metabolism by way of the liver that could hinder them inactive, Oxan doesn't! It's great and very effective just as it is LOL..

Bear in mind it's protected by a 17-carbon, thus it's why its used clinically and therapeutically in oral application.. Imagine that! Same reason some drugs come in orals, injection oil or aqueous, and even creams and gels for that matter, they are structured and positioned for an intend reason..LOLOL

Placing such compounds in a oily suspension/carrier as your route of exposure the absorption will slower for the lipid soluble parenting hormone that is now at the mercy of the ester/half-life of the carrier oil, and solutions.. Now, if we use a carrier or solvent/solution that has a very short half-life (rapid metabolism or absorption such as aqueous) now we ultimately eliminate the process in which the drug is released making it's plasma fast, but VERY short! You can't have STRONGER and more bioavailability, with LONGER HALF LIFE while being superior all in one, and alone just changes the whole dynamics or chemistry all due to wishful thinking.. There's a trade off with everything and this will also come at the expensive of the rapid deployment and activation of enzymes at the injection site and the drugs reaction there after, there will be a chute of responses..A spike in BP would be something to greatly consider..

There's ton of research out there, look it up, I won't dig it up for you, because that would be to much of a "convenience" for you :)

I love my oils and my orals, but I found that cutting corners aren't always what they appear to be.. If something is more convenient for someone, I won't tell them what they can and can't do, all power to them.. But if someone say's "This works this way because I said so", welp, let's talk it..

To all readers, this has already became a topic, let's talk about it... Leave "anecdotal evidence" aside , because that means nothings.. "I snort my dbol and it works"... See how easy that way?

Thanks for the insight and info Vision [emoji123]