cycle for strength

[KWB82]

Hey brothers. Looking to start first cycle this year. My primary purpose is to gain strength while not gaining a whole lot of mass and keeping water retention low. This would be my fourth cycle. The last couple were test cyp and test cyp and anavar. I was also looking into deca for its joint relief since ill be doing heavy lifting.
This is what i had in mind:
12 wk cycle
Wks 1-12 test cyp 400mg wk
Wks 1-6 tbol 40mg ed
Wks 1-12 deca 200-400? wk
Wks 1-12 aromasin 12.5mg e3d
I have never used tbol before, but i like that it doesnt aromatize and the strength gains are alright and the gains are lean. Also i never used deca. Looking mainly for the theraputic and joint relief purpose. Not sure on the dose and if any ai is needed.
Stats:
Age 37
Height 5'10"
Weight 195lb
Bf 15%
Been on trt (dr prescribed for 4yrs)
Any suggestions or advice

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[9TMARE]

Hey brothers. Looking to start first cycle this year. My primary purpose is to gain strength while not gaining a whole lot of mass and keeping water retention low. This would be my fourth cycle. The last couple were test cyp and test cyp and anavar. I was also looking into deca for its joint relief since ill be doing heavy lifting.
This is what i had in mind:
12 wk cycle
Wks 1-12 test cyp 400mg wk
Wks 1-6 tbol 40mg ed
Wks 1-12 deca 200-400? wk
Wks 1-12 aromasin 12.5mg e3d
I have never used tbol before, but i like that it doesnt aromatize and the strength gains are alright and the gains are lean. Also i never used deca. Looking mainly for the theraputic and joint relief purpose. Not sure on the dose and if any ai is needed.
Stats:
Age 37
Height 5'10"
Weight 195lb
Bf 15%
Been on trt (dr prescribed for 4yrs)
Any suggestions or advice

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I think you’ll be happy with the Tbol results for the strength factor. Sdrol has been good to me as well. I see your Test C, 250? Deca looks good for joint relief purpose. Might take a few weeks to kick in. Have you looked into NPP as a alternative to Deca. It would kick in much faster.

[Bjenks]

Good post watch the Deca it will put some size on you make you want to eat a lot does me that way good luck

[KWB82]

Is caber or prami necessary with Deca or NPP

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[KWB82]

Any suggestions on a good dose of NPP or Deca for therapeutic purposes? Also are any ancillaries needed

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[madhungarian]

I love Tbol. I get good strength and size gains from it. Kicks in fast and very little sides.

Should have some caber on hand for the deca or npp. I wouldn't start it without it, if you have prolactin issues you won't want to be waiting on it while you're having problems.

Historically test and deca are run at a 2 to 1 ratio. I run test/npp equal to each other.

Good luck

[KWB82]

Whats a good baseline to start the caber at? Im guessing the cycle would look like:
12wks
Wk 1-12 test cyp 400mg wk
Wk 1-12 NPP 200mg wk
Wk 1-6 tbol 40mg daily
Wk 1-12 aromasin 12.5mg e3d
Wk 1-12 caber???

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[madhungarian]

Whats a good baseline to start the caber at? Im guessing the cycle would look like:
12wks
Wk 1-12 test cyp 400mg wk
Wk 1-12 NPP 200mg wk
Wk 1-6 tbol 40mg daily
Wk 1-12 aromasin 12.5mg e3d
Wk 1-12 caber???

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I believe most people run Caber at .5mgs twice a week. Keep the E2 in check and you not need caber. Maybe. I didn't use it when on a cycle that included 400mgs ew of npp but I did have it on hand and looking back I probably should have used it.

Split the tbol into 2 daily doses, I prefer 50mgs ed, I like taking one dose about an hour before working out. Take a little cialis with it for a great pump.

[KWB82]

Is NPP alright to run for 12 weeks? I saw in my research a lot of studies incorporating it with Test Pro for 8 to 10 weeks. And would the injection frequency B every 3 days or every other day for NPP?

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[old fart]

I like TPP for a cycle when I'm trying to stay in a weight class for powerlifting. It seems to give me the quick test like prop, only without the prop pip. If you're already going to be using NPP the TPP would fit right in. Granted it is a little harder to find TPP. I'm not sure why more sponsors don't carry it... I inject TPP/Npp on Mon. Wed. Fri. It just fits my schedule and I haven't had a problem with it like that.

[Bullcrew]

Deca will help with tendons for sure and joint pain...keep it as round 150 to 200mg week....I'll run 600 when I'm going and it and test have been my primary go to gear....

Deca I can tell when I'm not on, I stress the hell out of my joints as much as I lift and how hard....deca works for me...I have done dbol, tbol and anadrol....I like anadrol then tbol... not a fan of dbol and water weight....
Test and deca have been my staple....with ansdrol when I need some power...75mg as a pwo 60 to 90 minutes before lifting

[Sachie]

Deca will help with tendons for sure and joint pain...keep it as round 150 to 200mg week....I'll run 600 when I'm going and it and test have been my primary go to gear....

Deca I can tell when I'm not on, I stress the hell out of my joints as much as I lift and how hard....deca works for me...I have done dbol, tbol and anadrol....I like anadrol then tbol... not a fan of dbol and water weight....
Test and deca have been my staple....with ansdrol when I need some power...75mg as a pwo 60 to 90 minutes before lifting
Looking good Bullcrew!

[Sachie]

Deca will help with tendons for sure and joint pain...keep it as round 150 to 200mg week....I'll run 600 when I'm going and it and test have been my primary go to gear....

Deca I can tell when I'm not on, I stress the hell out of my joints as much as I lift and how hard....deca works for me...I have done dbol, tbol and anadrol....I like anadrol then tbol... not a fan of dbol and water weight....
Test and deca have been my staple....with ansdrol when I need some power...75mg as a pwo 60 to 90 minutes before lifting
I had a 30% distal bicep tendon tear. I am cruising with Deca right now week 4. I noticed a pain difference since Monday. My question is can you run Deca year round with other gear for joints and tendons?

[KWB82]

Is the dose for Deca and NPP the same on a weekly basis? And if I keep either one around 200 mg a week with test at 400 a week with an AI, is caber necessary and if so at what dose weekly? I was thinking maybe .25 mg twice a week

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[Bullcrew]

Sorry edited to simplify:

Rule of thumb is if it's something you haven't taken then having caber and an ai on hand is advised....I dont get any sides even at 600mg but I did eventually run a messed up E2......so I did some dosing with aromasin from 12.5 ed to 12.5 e3d...my sweet spot is 12.5 when needed sometimes months and no issue even at higher dose...

But I do keep caber, aromasin, gw1516 on hand.....just as a safety
..

I dont know how you will react, that low of a dose and I'd say there should be NO issues ....

A good dose of deca for joints is 50 to 100mg a week per my dr.....based on old people, arthritis and is, joint issues, swelling and low synovial fluid or flow in tendons...he had a big talk with me about injuries and the fact I was doing deca....

I cant answer on other NPP I haven't taken that one...

Always keep ancillary on hand for just in case.....ai, caber, etc...wont hurt to have and if (dont see it being an issue at those doses) you did you wouldn't have to wait or source it....