HELP!

[Structure88]

Hey bros, really need some solid advice here. Been running test blend with deca for the past three months. I have over the past few weeks acquired sore, puffy nipples with a solid build up inside. About to place my first order though here and really want to know if anyone can relate and tell me what the best items are to help resolve this for me, thanks brothers !

[toppjimie]

Bro,sounds like beginning stages to gyno.Go READ The "STICKYS" In the Anabolic discussion section! There's LOTS of Very good info provided to combat problem's.

[FrankTheTank]

Try some letro .5mg a day

[Dath]

Surely sounds like gyno. But is it from the Test or Deca......
Have you been running anything For estrogen or prolactin control while on cycle?
also how many Mgs of each compound a week?

[Structure88]

I was running nolva 20 mg a day. And the test is at 650/wk deca at 450/wk just started back on nolva though

[Structure88]

Keep in mind this is my 3rd cycle with novice advice given to me

[Dath]

I was running nolva 20 mg a day. And the test is at 650/wk deca at 450/wk just started back on nolva though

Test-Deca ratio is good.
Nolva is great for attacking gyno related to estrogen, but not so with prolactin.
This your first First time with Deca Structure88

the one way to know for sure what your dealing with is getting bloodwork drawn.
then you KNOW exactly how to approach this.
Another question-You been on 12 wks roughly, how long we're you planning to run?

[Spawn]

Id take adex if that doesnt kick it go with letro. Nolva should help as well.

[Structure88]

Dath, I am finishing up now. However I noticed this early in my cycle and did not have my pct. I took the nolva durring like weeks 3-6 and shortly after it went away and came back with a vengeance! To be honest I am pretty dissatisfied with the gear I was running from biotech on vipanabolics had slight gains at first then plateaued for like the last two months with body weight and strength

[Spawn]

The nolva coulda had alot to do with that bro. ^^^

[beanlicker]

This is a good read regarding gyno and Letro that I thought might help..........


All you need to know about GYNO.

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I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) and other anti-e***8217;s. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it.

Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and it has worked just fine for them as well.

To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:

SERM ***8211; Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (clomid (http://www.clomidinfo.com))
AI ***8211; Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI***8217;s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com).

letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) and your sex drive:
letrozole (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that test (http://www.buytest.info) should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don***8217;t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com).

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno***8230;let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com).
2. Already using letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 3: 1.0mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 4: 1.5mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 5: 2.0mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 6: 2.5mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) **

2.
Day 1: .50mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 2: 1.0mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 3: 1.5mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 4: 2.0mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 5: 2.5mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) **

3.
Day 1: .50mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 2: 1.0mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 3: 1.5mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 4: 2.0mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com)
Day 5: 2.5mg letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) as the letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT (http://www.rui-products.com/combos/clomi-tamox-combo.html/?utm_source=Steroidology&utm_medium=Key%2BWord%2BHacks&utm_campaign=PCT) so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro (http://www.letrozoleinfo.com) and then continue on as you would with regular PCT (http://www.rui-products.com/combos/clomi-tamox-combo.html/?utm_source=Steroidology&utm_medium=Key%2BWord%2BHacks&utm_campaign=PCT).

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test (http://www.buytest.info) booster to help you in this scenario but I can***8217;t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT (http://www.rui-products.com/combos/clomi-tamox-combo.html/?utm_source=Steroidology&utm_medium=Key%2BWord%2BHacks&utm_campaign=PCT) and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.



This article was posted at: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/145997-good-read-regarding-gyno-letro.html

[beanlicker]

Here is another thread involving guys dealing with gyno.......... http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?515007-Any-Gyno-Success-Stories-Out-There-Using-Aromasin-Exemestane#.UKHTCIaz5E0

[Dath]

Dath, I am finishing up now. However I noticed this early in my cycle and did not have my pct. I took the nolva durring like weeks 3-6 and shortly after it went away and came back with a vengeance! To be honest I am pretty dissatisfied with the gear I was running from biotech on vipanabolics had slight gains at first then plateaued for like the last two months with body weight and strength

BL posted some good reads on gyno reversal Structure, your heading into PCT, I would be getting some Aromasin ASAP to get your ( Suspected high levels) of estrogen under control as I'm sure it's elevated (labs will confirm this). By using the Aromasin you'll be blocking the conversion of estrogen, the nolva I would hold off on ONLY because your running Deca ( a compound known to raise prolactin levels which nolva plays a role in also) and the Deca will take some time to clear your system,2-3 wks. IMO Nolva and aromasin are a great team when it comes to Gyno reversal. I've seen it work well for others, but keep in mind we're all different.
also be careful when reading about 100% suppression of estrogen from letro. Those numbers come from studies done on women, which unfortunately is where a lot of Info comes from regarding body builders theories. A more accurate percentage for men is somewhere around 40-60% suppression of estro from letro.
again I can't stress enough how important getting a 60$ lab test done to KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt what for of gyno your dealing with.
sorry if my post is a little jumbled Structure88, it's been a long day.

[Structure88]

Thanks guys just joined here and really love all the feedback and support, nice to know I'm talking with some guys that really know there shit. For some reason my iPhone wont let me post a picture of myself but once I get to my desktop I will have a more complete profile to Get to know you guys thanks again brothers