How many MG's Is your gear really?

[PAiN]

When you get a steroid such as Test Cypionate, Prop, Enanthate etc... Some of the MG's are actually the ester.

For example:

Chemical = Formula = Molecular Weight = Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester) = C19 H28 O2 = 288.4mg = 100mg
Propionate = C3 H4 O = 56.1mg = 83.72mg
Cypionate = C8 H4 O = 124.2mg = 69.90mg


So you see, the longer the ester on the testosterone is, the longer the steroid is active in your body, and the less actual test you get. This is because, for every 100mgs of testosterone cypionate you inject, only 69.90mgs of it is actually testosterone, the rest is the cypionate ester, which must be removed. On the other hand, with the propionate ester you?ll get 83.72mgs of Testosterone!

The advantage to longer esters is that they need to be injected less frequently (test prop needs to be injected every other day or every day while you can shoot test cyp once a week to twice a week). The disadvantage to long estered steroids is that they contain less actual steroid.


Any input is appreciated.

[supermansdaddy]

http://brotherhoodofpain.com/anabolic-discussion/553-ester-weights.html lol

You must be new here.lololol


Peace and Love

[BrotherIron]

This is a must read for newbs. So many have no idea than the ester carries weight in the mg/ml.

[perkey44]

My lab results for my SUSTAPLEX 325 were 356mg. TOP NOTCH but thats axio baby!! Miss them guys. THE BEST EVER!!!

[DGAF]

My lab results for my SUSTAPLEX 325 were 356mg. TOP NOTCH but thats axio baby!! Miss them guys. THE BEST EVER!!!

When they do the lab tests they dont just test the active hormones they take into consideration all the other factors and thats what the result is, so just like stated above you can run a test on say test prop and it can come back 100mg or slightly higher but the test hormone is still around 87mg. So your stuff came back spot on and if you break down all the ester weights in there you can figure out accurately how much there was of each active hormone.


DGAF

[perkey44]

yea thats what i meant bro, just didnt state everything. Thanks for all the input on esters bro. VERY NICE

[Biggin]

Solid info from Pain and SD Imo! Very important to know exactly what one is getting whilst planning/running a cycle for sure..

[slick]

I do not like to really think about ester weights....it begins to confuse most people and they end up thinking that they must inject more to compensate for the ester weight. They end up over dosing the gears or over using, when infact most people already over use gear. Most people start at 500mg/week and in fact that is more than enough for good gains....they could probably get away with 300mgs. most of these guys are not hardcore bodybuilders and therefore do not need to start digging deeper into the science of things. this is just my opinion.

[jdjack]

IMO a first cycle should be 200-300mg/wk of TE/C. If HRT is around 100/wk, then 2-3x normal is all that should be needed to get more gains. 500 is just a nice round number that works when the dosing is 250/ml, and that's why it stuck. Guys could tell their friends that 'you just use 2 a week'- type of crap.

We micro-manage our diets (or at least eventually we learn to), and think of every # of calorie, fat, carb, and almighty protein. When it comes to increasing hormones, we want to stick our heads in the sand. Why??? Is it really that complicated? I don't think so. If you can learn other math applications then why not even more. Does our 'meathead' brains fill up...no. We can remember 5 different routines to train each and every muscle with each of them 5 different ways to lift the weight. But we can't calculate the simple numbers that will help us get to that goal.

Don't get me wrong. Diet is MOST important thing, with training/rest being #2. But we all know that the difficulty attaining goals comes down greatly when the last item is added, hormones. I dunno. Maybe its just my OCD brain.

[slick]

IMO a first cycle should be 200-300mg/wk of TE/C. If HRT is around 100/wk, then 2-3x normal is all that should be needed to get more gains. 500 is just a nice round number that works when the dosing is 250/ml, and that's why it stuck. Guys could tell their friends that 'you just use 2 a week'- type of crap.

We micro-manage our diets (or at least eventually we learn to), and think of every # of calorie, fat, carb, and almighty protein. When it comes to increasing hormones, we want to stick our heads in the sand. Why??? Is it really that complicated? I don't think so. If you can learn other math applications then why not even more. Does our 'meathead' brains fill up...no. We can remember 5 different routines to train each and every muscle with each of them 5 different ways to lift the weight. But we can't calculate the simple numbers that will help us get to that goal.

Don't get me wrong. Diet is MOST important thing, with training/rest being #2. But we all know that the difficulty attaining goals comes down greatly when the last item is added, hormones. I dunno. Maybe its just my OCD brain.


great post...I agree with everything except the hrt/trt dosage. I heard of people getting up to 400mg/week legally. I guess it all really depends on the doc....but there is no set mgs one will receive for hrt/trt....it is all doc dependant.

[unclem]

i think it depends on where your bloods are at, as to how much you get . hrt anyhow.

[jdjack]

i think it depends on where your bloods are at, as to how much you get . hrt anyhow.
Yep if the doc wants to put you in a higher or even lower part of the range, they can by just adjusting the dose.

[slick]

earlier i commented on the ester weight....another thing to add is that there is gear always left in the syringe also. Ultimately affecting what goes into your body. Unless you draw more or leave an air bubble in the syringe, but I do not do either.

[unclem]

^^i leave a vacum hole in bottom of syringe so no oil is lost. but i agree pyes most dont do that they just straight shoot.

[bhcolex50x]

^^i leave a vacum hole in bottom of syringe so no oil is lost. but i agree pyes most dont do that they just straight shoot.

can you elaborate on what you mean by vacuum hole in bottom of syringe and also how to do so? I'm interested

[Racer51]

Thanx never knew that great info brothers

[spraynpray]

can you elaborate on what you mean by vacuum hole in bottom of syringe and also how to do so? I'm interested

Once your done drawing your gear pull out your pin and draw a tad bit of air into the syringe. Now once you go to inject ensure the small air bubble is at the top and the last thing to be injected into your muscle. The bubble will push all the gear through leaving a clean syringe.

[Dath]

Once your done drawing your gear pull out your pin and draw a tad bit of air into the syringe. Now once you go to inject ensure the small air bubble is at the top and the last thing to be injected into your muscle. The bubble will push all the gear through leaving a clean syringe.

Excellent tip brother, thought most would do this. I never wasted a drop of beer back when I drank...sure the heck not
Gonna waste gearzzzzz :)

[JohnnyTribal]

Sound like you know a thing or two mate great post. Super helpful as a new guy trying to understand as much of this as possible

[pump1344]

sounds like a great idea , I know it takes at least 10cc of air to inject in a vein to cause any problems, but I for sure will start leaving a little air in the tip if the needle
Respect,
Pump1344

[Adonis!]

Good info ,don't really think about that when dosing.

[Emmerz24]

Learn something new everyday. Great read

[tsek0s]

nice pain!!

[PhoenixPharma]

Very good and true info. Only in Test suspensions do you get a 1:1 ratio. Cypionate, you typically get around 80-85% of the total dose.

[Kzoo Detector]

Interesting....good to know.

[08gsxr]

^^^ wtf bro!? Read the code of conduct!!

[Superax]

I haven't used long esters in years now, I find short esters far better.

[hockeytownpump]

Great reading material pain, this is a must for anybody that's going to start injecting themselves. Thanks

[Mhuddleston]

Sustanon... Hmm..? When we have a blend of four Tests. This is good post and you Must also factor in and only hope your gear is 100% TOP quality and not underdosed or low quality in anyway.. That we can not really know for sure either..
We can almost bet we arent running stuff that is overdosed though..

[Mhuddleston]

What happened? Who what? I wanna make sure i dont do it.. Whatever they did.. Lol

[Mhuddleston]

^^^ wtf bro!? Read the code of conduct!!
Who What? Lol

[devildog]

great post...I agree with everything except the hrt/trt dosage. I heard of people getting up to 400mg/week legally. I guess it all really depends on the doc....but there is no set mgs one will receive for hrt/trt....it is all doc dependant.

Gal I had for hrt doc years ago used to write me 400mg/week cyp.

[SearingHigh]

A cheap MG tester would be nice like lab max

[relentless34]

I miss THE REAL British dragon

[Oldskool]

Gal I had for hrt doc years ago used to write me 400mg/week cyp.Lucky bastard

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[Oldskool]

I had heard about this quite a few times but tbh didn't really focus in on the implications.

Well after reading this im considering switching to test prop from cyp lol.

Thx

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[338Lapua]

Great info there. Good read.

[IReallyLoveOats]

Any actual sources on this? Or is this just the bro-science it appears to be.

[chrismw7787]

good info