Just did some dumb shit

[Patty_Mac253]

So my AI protocol currently has been 2mg of Adex weekly my dumbass thought i was popping my MK677 and my 2nd dose of adex for the week and I accidentally took a 20mg aromasin did I just kill off my estro!? 2mg of adex was working perfectly fine to combat my small signs on high e2 my estro for being on blast wasnt to high anyways last time I got bloods done level of 52 but that blood work was from about a month ago. Did I fuck up guys last thing I want to do is crash my estrogen any input thanks brothers.

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[Riggs]

So my AI protocol currently has been 2mg of Adex weekly my dumbass thought i was popping my MK677 and my 2nd dose of adex for the week and I accidentally took a 20mg aromasin did I just kill off my estro!? 2mg of adex was working perfectly fine to combat my small signs on high e2 my estro for being on blast wasnt to high anyways last time I got bloods done level of 52 but that blood work was from about a month ago. Did I fuck up guys last thing I want to do is crash my estrogen any input thanks brothers.

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If you said "a" 20mg Asin, as in one, then no you're fine. I've taken up to 25mg ED (not suggesting it just saying) IMO you'll be alright bud. And I definitely wouldn't try to offset it with a ramp in T....uhh uh.

[kubes]

What gear and dose(s) are you running. Estro at 52pg/ml is really low considering most on cycle should have 4x natty test levels. Keeping your easy to at 52 would probably hinder your gains. You need estrogen to grow.

[Patty_Mac253]

If you said "a" 20mg Asin, as in one, then no you're fine. I've taken up to 25mg ED (not suggesting it just saying) IMO you'll be alright bud. And I definitely wouldn't try to offset it with a ramp in T....uhh uh.Yeh just 1 20mg asin but I also took 1mg adex.

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[Patty_Mac253]

What gear and dose(s) are you running. Estro at 52pg/ml is really low considering most on cycle should have 4x natty test levels. Keeping your easy to at 52 would probably hinder your gains. You need estrogen to grow.750mg test e
350 tren ace
Just dropped Sdrol after a short 4 weeks on that
Didnt really use AIs at all until my nipples started really hurtinf now have been micro dosing and found that about 2mg of adex a week is looking like the sweet spot
Test levels are somewhere between 1500-3000 the quest blood work I got done would only give exact if under 1500.

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[kubes]

750mg test e
350 tren ace
Just dropped Sdrol after a short 4 weeks on that
Didnt really use AIs at all until my nipples started really hurtinf now have been micro dosing and found that about 2mg of adex a week is looking like the sweet spot
Test levels are somewhere between 1500-3000 the quest blood work I got done would only give exact if under 1500.

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Don’t worry about the one dose of aromasin. Is your estro level at 52 taking 2 mg of adex per week?

[Patty_Mac253]

Don’t worry about the one dose of aromasin. Is your estro level at 52 taking 2 mg of adex per week?Dont know what it is exactly now bloodwork is from about a month ago and yes estro was 52. Prior to that test tho rarely even take AIs I would only pop .5 to 1mg of adex started to realize my nipples were alot more sore and itchy so upped to 1 mg a week then now for the last 3 weeks since i started the tren been 2mg of adex a week.

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[kubes]

Dont know what it is exactly now bloodwork is from about a month ago and yes estro was 52. Prior to that test tho rarely even take AIs I would only pop .5 to 1mg of adex started to realize my nipples were alot more sore and itchy so upped to 1 mg a week then now for the last 3 weeks since i started the tren been 2mg of adex a week.

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Let me be more clear. Was your estro at 52 taking adex at 2 mg ew and running your cycle? 750 test and 350 tren. If so yeah you are good to go but you might considering lower your dex to . 5 mg e3d

[Patty_Mac253]

Let me be more clear. Was your estro at 52 taking adex at 2 mg ew and running your cycle? 750 test and 350 tren. If so yeah you are good to go but you might considering lower your dex to . 5 mg e3dNo it wasnt my estro was 52 at barely dosing any AIs.

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[kubes]

No it wasnt my estro was 52 at barely dosing any AIs.

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Gotcha I think you have nothing to worry about with a one time aromasin use

[Patty_Mac253]

Gotcha I think you have nothing to worry about with a one time aromasin useThanks brother i kinda freak out for a min ive been making so much gainz and strength is through the roof i didnt want my estro to drop off from one dose

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[Riggs]

Kubes is right about Estro being necessary to add mass. All depends on your specific goals. If it's to move the scale, bulk up, & add strength then I keep estrogen @ 100 + and run HEAVY Nolva to keep gyno at bay. In this case an AI will lower estro but not have the same attribute of blocking estro at the receptors and more so in the breast tissue.

[kubes]

The rule of thumb I use is if your test is 4x what Normal range is then estro should be as well. So like Riggs is saying if your test level is 4,000 ng/dL tgen your estro could be as high as 150 pg.ml and get the most out of your cycle. The idea of keeping estro at or around 40-50 pg/ml would be for those on trt

[Riggs]

The rule of thumb I use is if your test is 4x what Normal range is then estro should be as well. So like Riggs is saying if your test level is 4,000 ng/dL tgen your estro could be as high as 150 pg.ml and get the most out of your cycle. The idea of keeping estro at or around 40-50 pg/ml would be for those on trt

I agree here too. Really do.

Another point is when I am heavier I can move more weight. My old logs substantiate this claim. Higher estro accommodates adding more body weight. My joints feel stronger more durable and less injury prone, under the immense stress of training balls to the wall, in an effort to build more muscle mass.

[IRISHOAK]

Na. No worries

[Patty_Mac253]

Yall think i should just cut the AIs for now and let that estro rise? Never really dose AIs at all until I felt a need for here recently nipples were getting real itchy and sensitive

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[kubes]

Yall think i should just cut the AIs for now and let that estro rise? Never really dose AIs at all until I felt a need for here recently nipples were getting real itchy and sensitive

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The only way to know is to run labs. .5 mg 2xew keeps my estro round 90-100 on 750mg test ew

[Patty_Mac253]

My test to estro conversion rate could just be low I guess...u never know with AIs trying to find that sweet spot with micro dosing. I got bloods done about a month ago I had a 52 and prior to that wasnt really dosing AIs on a continuous protocol it was more like nipples got puffy Id pop .5-1mg if adex wait and see and then pop more if needed.

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[Jetblack14316]

The rule of thumb I use is if your test is 4x what Normal range is then estro should be as well. So like Riggs is saying if your test level is 4,000 ng/dL tgen your estro could be as high as 150 pg.ml and get the most out of your cycle. The idea of keeping estro at or around 40-50 pg/ml would be for those on trt

No shit? Wow. I have always been under the impression that the sweet spot for Estro was between 30-40. I never knew there could be a benefit over 100 or that Nolva could even help prevent gyno if you got as high as 125-15. Good info, I’ll have to read more on this. I wonder if I’ll feel better loading my AI dose and letting estro jump.


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[Riggs]

Yall think i should just cut the AIs for now and let that estro rise? Never really dose AIs at all until I felt a need for here recently nipples were getting real itchy and sensitive

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Just run Nolva for the itchy nips man. It'll ward off gyno and you'll estradiol will come up.

[Riggs]

No shit? Wow. I have always been under the impression that the sweet spot for Estro was between 30-40. I never knew there could be a benefit over 100 or that Nolva could even help prevent gyno if you got as high as 125-15. Good info, I’ll have to read more on this. I wonder if I’ll feel better loading my AI dose and letting estro jump.


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Again it depends on your specific goals. If the goal is HRT then 30 or 40 is g2g. If the goal is to add as much muscle mass as possible then yes I feel better with E2 100+. Last bulk was 4yrs ago and I was 67 pre cycle bloods, 160 mid cycle & 186 at the end of the blast. I MUST STRESS 150+ WKS FOR ME ON A HEAVY BULK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WKS FOR YOU, AND I HAVE TO RUN 40MG NOLVA ED TOO. Specifically my joints, I add more weight so I can lift heavier wtih less worry of injury & the heavier I am the more weight I can MOVE. @ 100 estro I do have to run Nolva 20mg ED and I'm emotional wreck. I'll cry at movies or commercials. I do get horny asf when estro is that high too. This is why I like to run Nolva and either Mast or Proviron. I run those with everything yr round. They compliment other AAS, act as a bit of an AI, and lower SHBG.

At 6'3" even with dense, mature, muscles with full bellies I still have a long look. So when I bulk I go all out. If I don't hit a crazy heavy weight and carry it for at least 3 months I don't level back out much higher than b4. 15lbs on me might as well be 1.

I have hit a point to where I'm very happy and when I'm training and on a regular schedule I hold 235 well. At 44 that's the ideal weight for me.

T, Caber, Nolva, Cialis & Mast (or Proviron) are yr round for me.