How much slin first time?

[dawun]

How much slin should I use for the first time? My trainer said and wants that I use 18iu. What I've read and seen,I think it's a bit high dose for me for the first time. What do you think about that?

[sensitivenips]

absolutely thats high. becareful g, slin is not something to take lightly. this is one thing i would personally recommend you go do lots and lots of research on, and i dont say that line to others too often. slin is scary shit, and if misused can kill you. i think the norm for starters is around 2 iu's. the fact that your even asking this question undoubtedly shows you need to really really think about what your doing. i would not take slin based off of what your trainer says, its not in the same realm as steroids. do you have sugar cubes on you in case of hypoglycemic shock?

[dawun]

absolutely thats high. becareful g, slin is not something to take lightly. this is one thing i would personally recommend you go do lots and lots of research on, and i dont say that line to others too often. slin is scary shit, and if misused can kill you. i think the norm for starters is around 2 iu's. the fact that your even asking this question undoubtedly shows you need to really really think about what your doing. i would not take slin based off of what your trainer says, its not in the same realm as steroids. do you have sugar cubes on you in case of hypoglycemic shock?

My first slin shot is on friday, I have all. The man is preparing guys and girls for competition, he knows what he is doing. I just think that amount is just a bit high.

[sensitivenips]

My first slin shot is on friday, I have all. The man is preparing guys and girls for competition, he knows what he is doing. I just think that amount is just a bit high.

sorry i cant offer anything more than that, just be careful g. slin should be used with caution. im sure someone else with experience will chime in, and honestly i am glad your asking the question.

[jdb3]

18 iu day????????????/ YOUR FIRST TIME?!? WTF...fuck your trainer.

1)What type of insulin are you wanting to use
2)How long have you been bodybuilding, height, weight. Slin is best utilized when the muscle has mature fibers. What your bf% Are you a competitor. How long you been using AAS?
3)Do you plan on using pre or post or for all meal(advanced)
4)How many carb are you consuming as of right now on daily basis, how many post, and how many pre and what sources
5)Do you use gh?

18iu is entirely too much for a beginner. Most amature bodybuilders will never truley need insulin, as they have not achieved an elite physique yet. Do you compete

OTHER VETS CHIME IN.

You could wind up getting pretty fucking fat with 18ius a day depending on carb intake.

18iu for one dose???? Your trainer could be a moron...this is common. 18ius with not enough glucose can kill you or coma...or blind you


I sound harsh about your trainer, because I am a trainer as well, been doing it a while with different athletes and competitors. I am prepping people (including my wife) for a competition now, and these other trainer assholes are trying to take credit for some of my work. Also they are giving bad advice and fucking people up and then they come to me......its been one of those days. Now answer 1-4

[flyingfox272]

How much slin should I use for the first time? My trainer said and wants that I use 18iu. What I've read and seen,I think it's a bit high dose for me for the first time. What do you think about that?
I want to start this post by saying that I'm not judging just looking out for a Bro.
dawun, are you a competitive bodybuilder? The reason I ask is this is something to use that reaches far into ones training. Using slin carries the the risk of becoming insulin dependent, with that said perhaps you are trying to take your physique to the next level after exhausting all other options? I have never used slin nor will I, so you can tell me to drop dead but I just wanted to chime in. Be safe.

[jdb3]

I want to start this post by saying that I'm not judging just looking out for a Bro.
dawun, are you a competitive bodybuilder? The reason I ask is this is something to use that reaches far into ones training. Using slin carries the the risk of becoming insulin dependent, with that said perhaps you are trying to take your physique to the next level after exhausting all other options? I have never used slin nor will I, so you can tell me to drop dead but I just wanted to chime in. Be safe.

And this. Good reply.

[dawun]

18 iu day????????????/ YOUR FIRST TIME?!? WTF...fuck your trainer.

1)What type of insulin are you wanting to use
2)How long have you been bodybuilding, height, weight. Slin is best utilized when the muscle has mature fibers. What your bf% Are you a competitor. How long you been using AAS?
3)Do you plan on using pre or post or for all meal(advanced)
4)How many carb are you consuming as of right now on daily basis, how many post, and how many pre and what sources

18iu is entirely too much for a beginner. Most amature bodybuilders will never truley need insulin, as they have not achieved an elite physique yet. Do you compete

OTHER VETS CHIME IN.

You could wind up getting pretty fucking fat with 18ius a day depending on carb intake.

18iu for one dose???? Your trainer could be a moron...this is common. 18ius with not enough glucose can kill you or coma...or blind you


I sound harsh about your trainer, because I am a trainer as well, been doing it a while with different athletes and competitors. I am prepping people (including my wife) for a competition now, and these other trainer assholes are trying to take credit for some of my work. Also they are giving bad advice and fucking people up and then they come to me......its been one of those days. Now answer 1-4

1. Humulin, Lilly
2. 12 yrs with quit and starting again, 175cm 210lb BF around 6%, competing,4 yrs, now blast/cruise
3. not know at the moment,pre or post or for all meal
4. 700-800g carbs daily, post around 200g ,pre around 150g,sources: brown rice, sweet potato,vitargo/waxy maize,oats,banana,apple, etc.

[dawun]

What you think ?

[jdb3]

Humulin what> Humalin-R or Humalin-N....theres a big difference.

18iu will be unessarry. I can give you so help...I will be back...got to go eat

DO you use GH....

[dawun]

Its Humalog not Humulin. No, GH atm.

[jdb3]

Ok Humalog, rapid acting, short duration ....5iu post workout to begin with. 99% of this stuff you read will tell you 10 gram of fast acting carb per iu. I sometimes think this is too much depending on bodytype...but its a safe starting point around 5iu would be ideal, but start high, then adjust....since it acts so fast, (humalog) you need to be ready in the event of going hypo...also, I think it would be very wise to consume maybe a sweet potatoe or something of that nature a little while before shooting...sounds like you got high carbs already, but humalog comes on fast.

as a result..humalog can make you fat as hell...and fast. Nutrient timing is everything. Too many high glycemics=fat....not enough=hypo. Too much sat fat with carbs while on slin=fat.

The best appraoch is too time all your carbs around the insulin use and workout. eat less carbs throughout the day. Which works brilliantly since post work high GI carbs are good to go and 1 hour before pre low GI is good.

If you are not a competitor, I think insulin is not needed...you can get hella jacked with AAS and food!

Humalog (insulin lispro) is categorized as a rapid-acting insulin. Its onset of action is 0.25 to 0.5 hours (15 to 30 minutes), the peak is 0.5 to 1.5 hours (30 to 90 minutes), and the duration of action is 3 to 5 hours...DO NOT GO TO SLEEP DURING DURATION TIME!

Have you researched this at all? Be sure to use AN INSULIN SYRINGE BARREL, instead of a mL/CC barrel....this is why people fuck up and die.
Theres a big big difference between ui and mL/cc


Im gonna post an article under this for your reading pleasure....18iu is ridiculous....

I highly recommend doing post before attempting doing it pre, humalog is best suited for post IMO.

*In the event you do use pre, I recommend keeping a safety shake on hand and ready before you inject. Simply go to Wal mart or where ever....next to pharmacy..diabetic supplies...powder glucose packs (10g per pack)...kinda like a crystal light pack....put one-two in a SMALL water bottle (those little minis)...even dump half the water out...add in glucose pack...you dont want to have to drink 12 ounces of water in the event you feel yourself going hypo...you want to be able to get that 10g glucose in a quick swallow. Always keep in gym bag.




Has your "trainer" informed you of how insulin acts within the body and how many carb to take per iu???


Before you read this article, I want to add in one thing for the bros....I know an IFBB pro who is big on whole foods...So he usually does 10iu pre. However, he does have the "shake" during the gym , but hes argument is, why bombard your self with tons of high GI carbos....he gets about 40-50 low glycemic every 3 hours and at that rate, he claims his blood sugar remins stable throughout the day, no roller coaster, so his shake during the workout suffices, and of course the post meal .


HIS SHAKE

1 tsp Gatorade Powder
Liquid amino acid (2-3 serv)
5-10 gram l-glutamine
5-10 gram creatine
1 tsp honey
1000mg vitamin c

DO NOT TAKE THIS ADVICE..MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT AS CONSISTENT AS THIS GUY WITH DIET AND MAY NEED MORE CARB IN INTRA SHAKE WHEN USING INSULIN

I AM NOT A DOCTOR.

start at 5, then maybe 6, I would top out at 8-10. I currently do not use slin as I am saving it for when I feel that I can better utilize it, I am the same height as you (5'10) around 232 pounds currently and 12-13% ...havent done calipers in a few months, no signifanct bf change. ..yet

I personally would go the gh route first, if you can afford it...JMO

Ok heres an intro article to insulin use..i did not write it, but its good info.

PLEASE, check stuff out for yourself, research.

OTHER VETS CHIME IN




from BKO.
(this guy gets way too many damn shakes, its good article on slin, but get whole foods,and shakes for workout and slin use) the diet listed is for insulin twice a day i think. 1 in am and 1 post
Insulin is the most anabolic hormone you can take. On the other hand its also one of the most dangerous for two reasons availability and ignorance. I will be the first to tell you that every time I have been hypoglycemic (when blood sugar drops to dangerous levels) its has been as a result of something I did wrong. Used responsibility and with respect for the potential sides it is quite safe and extremely effective. That being said we'll start off with what you are going to need.

Equipment:
There are several types of insulin out there but for our purposes we are only interested in two. The first being my favorite Humulin R and the other being a bit newer to the body building community Humalog.

Humulin R is the most widely used and time tested insulin in our arsenal. It has a max duration of 4hrs and its peak can been seen around 2hrs after injection. This becomes particularly important when planning out you meals for the day so keep the timetables in mind.

Humalog is a bit newer but some feel just as effective and a bit safer. Humalog has a max duration of 2hrs and its peak can be seen around 1hr after injection. When selecting to use one or the other keep in mind your schedule, meals, and physical activity for the day as it will all play a role. One other point that needs mentioning is that Humulin R is available over the counter at pretty much every pharmacy in the country for about $25 for 10ml (which will last you a very long time) and Humalog is available only through a prescription or over the black market for a price about double that of Humulin R. When approaching a pharmacist keep in mind that its a lot more convincing if you buy the needles at the same time you get the insulin. This way they are less likely to refuse to sell it to you which they have been known to do from time to time. If this should happen just continue on to the next pharmacy and despite what they tell you "you dont need a prescription" it might be their store policy to see one but legally it is not required and if you make enough of a fuss you will get what you need.

The next thing you will need is the actual needles for injection. These are not the same type that you would use for anabolics or other androgens. The type of needles you will need are U100 insulin needles. That is exactly what you need to say when are trying to buy them. A box of 100 will usually run about $15-$25 and again will last you quite a while. Be fore warned now, using a syringe labeled with cc/ml or anything other than u100 is potentially fatal. The difference between the amount of insulin used for our purpose and that which will kill you is less than 1/2 a cc.

The next two things I think you will need and I highly recommend having on you is a wrist watch with a chronograph (stopwatch) and glucose tabs and/or a can of soda. First I'll explain the wrist watch. The stop watch is to be started immediately after the injection and monitored periodically to keep track of what is in your body and how long it is active. This can also be used to determine whether or not you are feeling side effects or simply just nerves from the fear that follows using for the first time. For instance I always use Humulin R which we know has a duration of 4 hours and a peak at 2 hours. This means that the greatest effects will be felt somewhere between 1-1/2 to 2 hours after injection and then they will steadily lessen till it is no longer active 4 hours after injection. When you use a stopwatch you have an accurate record of when you felt the effects which will become more important as you get more experienced using insulin. The glucose tabs are your safety net. If you are feeling hypo (hypoglycemic) these tabs will return your blood sugar levels to a safe range where you can get some food. They are available at all pharmacies for about $1.00. I have also used a soda. Soda is high in simple carbs which act quickly when blood sugar is low and allow you to get to a safe range where you can get some food in you. Now that we've covered all the equipment needed to safely use insulin we'll move on to dosage diet and scheduling.

Dosage diet and scheduling:
Whenever you start insulin its always wise to start at a lower dose and taper up over the first couple of days of use. Insulin is still new in our community and there is a potential for becoming diabetic so dont take chances start small more is not better where insulin is concerned more is simply more fat and more dangerous. This is a schedule I use when just starting insulin:

Days signify training sessions, not days of the week. (Insulin to be used only on workout days)
day1: 5iu's post workout
day2: 6iu's post workout
day3: 7iu's post workout
day4: 8iu's post workout
day5: 9iu's post workout
day6: 10iu's post workout
day7: same as day 6
DONT EXCEED THE DAY 7 DOSE TILL YOU GET SOME TIME UNDER YOUR BELT. I AM NOT KIDDING YOU WILL DIE!!!

Your diet will depend on the amount of slin you take per injection. The rule is 10 grams of carbs per IU of insulin. Therefore if you take 10iu's at an injection you need 100 grams of carbs. This is a bit overkill the actual figure is about 5-7 grams but its best to stick with the 10 rule while starting out. I feel that the best most accurate way to consume the proper amount of carbs after an injection is through MRP's or other shakes. The amounts of carbs on these are far more accurate than those you will find on the back of a bread bag. My meals are usually layed out like this:

7am: 10iu's insulin, shake
9am: shake
12pm: 10iu's insulin, lunch
2pm: shake
4pm: shake
6pm: workout
7pm: 10iu's insulin, shake, higher in carbs than others
9pm: dinner
11pm: safe for bed

If you'll notice there is a method to the madness above. After taking your first injection if insulin you will need a shake immediately. After this you are good for the next 2 hrs till the insulin peaks. Once you hit the 2hr mark you will need more carbs either another shake or a meal with sufficient carbs. After you have cleared the 4hr mark you will be clear from danger. Now this is all based on using Humulin R. If you are using Humalog you will need to take your first meal after injection and another "1hr" after. Then after the 2hr mark you will be safe. My shakes are made up of 1/2 pack of MetRX (berry) and 2 scoops GNC brand weight gainer (vanilla) and 16oz of whole milk. This shake has a caloric value of about 800 cals and around 50grams of protein and 150+grams of carbs. This is a good meal for those starting out. As you progress though you will want to decrease the carbs and eliminate the fat completely to maximize lean mass gains and minimize water and fat retention but for the purposes of starting out simply taking T3 will offset any fat gained. One thing to keep in mind is that T3 will reduce your sensitivity to insulin allowing you to take a higher dose but again save this till you get some more time in.

Side effects and procedures:
After injection and starting your stopwatch your first task is to get some carbs in. Next the first sides you will feel is tired. This is normal and is to be expected. You will usually feel this somewhere between 15-30 minutes after your injection. The key here is not to sleep, if you sleep you wont feel further more dangerous sides and therefore you wont be able to save your ass. The next thing you need to do is have another meal/shake at the 2hr mark. If you miss this just get it in as soon as possible. If you delay long enough you will start to feel hypo around 3 to 3-1/2 hours after injection. When this happens you will feel a sort of numbness that I can only relate to ephedrine. After this you will start to get some shakes in your hands followed by a cold sweat. Once you get to this point you are full blown hypo, the next thing that will follow will be a bit of tunnel vision and this is as far as I’ve been after this its all textbook I imagine coma will follow shortly after passing out. When you get the symptoms listed above don’t hesitate. Get some soda/glucose tabs followed by a meal or shake. One other fact I neglected to mention is that a mix of carbs is necessary when consuming a meal. Simple carbs are used to quickly and complex don’t kick in fast enough. A good mix is the way to go.



HOW SHOULD I CYCLE INSULIN?
Insulin should be cycled so that you have less of a chance of permanently affecting your own body's production of insulin. Even cycling can affect your own production though so be aware and see your doctor regularly. I say 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off as a general rule of thumb with 6 weeks on being the absolute limit in my opinion.