Injection

[Mattjason99]

Hey guys, just curious what is y'all's go to injection spot for test, and what size needles do you prefer? I'm on TRT right now (300 mg a week since I'm a low responder), and my clinic has me doing one injection a week 1.5cc with a 25G 1" needle in my upper side/Ventroglute area. I find that half of the time I have some pip the following day sometimes two. Any insight is appreciated.

[NM Pitbull]

Hey guys, just curious what is y'all's go to injection spot for test, and what size needles do you prefer? I'm on TRT right now (300 mg a week since I'm a low responder), and my clinic has me doing one injection a week 1.5cc with a 25G 1" needle in my upper side/Ventroglute area. I find that half of the time I have some pip the following day sometimes two. Any insight is appreciated.

I draw with a 1” 18 gauge then pin with a 23 or 25 (whatever is available when I order) either 1” or 1.5” depending on the muscle. I hit my quads, glutes, and delts.


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[ironjunkie777]

Where do I not pin lol. Draw with a 20g and pin with 27 or 29 slin pin. Go to spots are delts, vg, chest


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[Mattjason99]

How much do you pin each time? And I have heard from guys to switch to 27 gauge 1/2 in needles, but then other guys have told me that that's not big enough for intramuscular injections. Also I have heard it depends upon the gear that you're using. I just got some testosterone cypionate from amerigear, and I still had a little pip even though it's MCT oil which is supposed to be thinner than GSO which is why I was using from the pharmacy.

[Mattjason99]

Damn 1.5"?? Every time I've used that deep I've gotten bad pip, but then again I'm only 205 lbs at 6'2".

[NM Pitbull]

How much do you pin each time? And I have heard from guys to switch to 27 gauge 1/2 in needles, but then other guys have told me that that's not big enough for intramuscular injections. Also I have heard it depends upon the gear that you're using. I just got some testosterone cypionate from amerigear, and I still had a little pip even though it's MCT oil which is supposed to be thinner than GSO which is why I was using from the pharmacy.

Size of the muscle group and thickness of the fat layer are key factors. If your going into a large muscle group go moderately deep. In my delt I go 1” but probably could get away with 1/2”. Since I have the muscle I choose to go deeper.


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[Jaxz]

Vglute is my fav.
27 @ 1/2 is going to cause pip

[Mattjason99]

Vglute is my fav.
27 @ 1/2 is going to cause pip

What do you do to help mitigate pip?

[NM Pitbull]

What do you do to help mitigate pip?

I got a lot to say on this one but I’m at work now. I’ll give a full run down on PIP and how it can be misconceived to be ONLY caused by how you inject.
Stay tuned….


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[Loomer1]

The type of gear doesn't matter. Everything can be pinned with a 27g×1/2. Draw with 22g or bigger and backfill a 27 slin pin. I use em for delts, tris, chest, upper outer glutes, quads, bis. If you're not very lean the only one I'd stay away from is glutes. But youd still be fine if you did. I pin 2 full slins ed so I use a lot of spots.

To help with pip heat and message helps, also working the muscle with pip helps. It's all about getting blood in there and thinning out the oil and Crystal's. Sometimes you'll just get pip no matter what. But it should never be debilitating unless you're pinning tren no ester, dhb, aqua test, aqua winny, ect.
But as for regular oil based gear you can basically pin any muscle with a slin. Just dont do calves or forearms lol

Oh there is the possibility of pinning in scar tissue or hitting a nerve. That will cause pip that lasts a little longer but no worries you'll be fine.
Trust me, youd know if it was an issue.
Hot, red, swelling, bad itching those are things to cause a little concern. But even then usually itll just go away and if not a little antibiotics will take care of it pretty quickly

[Mattjason99]

The type of gear doesn't matter. Everything can be pinned with a 27g×1/2. Draw with 22g or bigger and backfill a 27 slin pin. I use em for delts, tris, chest, upper outer glutes, quads, bis. If you're not very lean the only one I'd stay away from is glutes. But youd still be fine if you did. I pin 2 full slins ed so I use a lot of spots.

To help with pip heat and message helps, also working the muscle with pip helps. It's all about getting blood in there and thinning out the oil and Crystal's. Sometimes you'll just get pip no matter what. But it should never be debilitating unless you're pinning tren no ester, dhb, aqua test, aqua winny, ect.
But as for regular oil based gear you can basically pin any muscle with a slin. Just dont do calves or forearms lol

Oh there is the possibility of pinning in scar tissue or hitting a nerve. That will cause pip that lasts a little longer but no worries you'll be fine.
Trust me, youd know if it was an issue.
Hot, red, swelling, bad itching those are things to cause a little concern. But even then usually itll just go away and if not a little antibiotics will take care of it pretty quickly

Yeah I'm 6'2" 205 14% bf. So not too fluffy, but also not crazy shredded yet lol. Hell yeah bro I appreciate the long answer ����. I'm only on test right now so I'm a little bitch compared to most the guys on here lmao.

[Mattjason99]

I got a lot to say on this one but I’m at work now. I’ll give a full run down on PIP and how it can be misconceived to be ONLY caused by how you inject.
Stay tuned….


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Hell yeah man I'll be checking, I appreciate it. ����

[Loomer1]

Yeah I'm 6'2" 205 14% bf. So not too fluffy, but also not crazy shredded yet lol. Hell yeah bro I appreciate the long answer ����. I'm only on test right now so I'm a little bitch compared to most the guys on here lmao.

Yeah brotha you're lean enough to not have any issues.
And lol! Na man, I was the same way. Just over the years i tried more and more things and realized it's pretty hard to fuck up a pin. Just keep everything clean and you're good to go. Granted sometimes it's not your fault. It's the gear, Luckily you're pretty safe on here. DWBO is good about only letting good sponsors on here.

[Jaxz]

For micro dosing small slin pins are okay but if your going to pin just a couple.times a week . Id say use at least a 1" pin.

Just in my opinion

[NM Pitbull]

So Loomer hit on it a bit. These days a lot of people think PIP means they are doing something wrong. That’s not always the case. Back before UGL’s started getting super chemist on their brews PIP was almost like a quality check lol. I used to love getting some Russian powder test suspension in water and torturing myself. I literally loved the donkey kick, but I digress lol. Here are some things to consider even if you did the injection perfectly:

Strength of the mix - if you are loading up a heavy dose you will most likely feel it IE a 200mg vs a 400+mg

Type of product - like Loomer mentioned earlier, you can expect to feel no esters and other products way more then let us say a cyp 200 blended with care

Virgin muscle group - if you never pinned a muscle group in the past and decide it sounds like a good idea then prepare to have your body let you know. Think back to you first ever injection. Ah! The good ol’ days

Tight muscle groups - calf, forearm, and trap muscles can cause some people some extreme discomfort if you’re not used to pinning those areas

Stabbing a nerve - this hurts and is freaky. As you start a routine rotation you might be over an inch or so in one direct and pierce a never. It can make the area feel like fire and make your muscle contract and/or pulse.

Nicking or penetrating a blood vessel - even if you draw bubbles that doesn’t mean you fully avoided a vessel. Most who have done this know as soon as they plunge.

These are all items that could potentially cause minor to sever PIP even if you warm your oil, massage, slow insert and slow plunge.

The longer someone is in the game the less possibility there is for PIP solely based on the body’s adaptation to the process, but even the best of us have gotten a surprise PIP visit. Between you and me, I kinda like it as long as it’s not infection based lol.

Other PIP can be caused by:

Infection
Hard stabbing
Oversized needles
Using the same needle to administer the oil that you also used to draw with
Using the same exact spot every time which can cause sever scar tissue which keeps the product from absorbing
Pinning too close to connective tissue
Pinning sub q with a monster load

At the end of the day you should focus more on reducing PIP rather then focusing on the negative stigma people have built up about PIP.

NOT ALL PIP IS BAD , just some of it lol.


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[Loomer1]

So Loomer hit on it a bit. These days a lot of people think PIP means they are doing something wrong. That’s not always the case. Back before UGL’s started getting super chemist on their brews PIP was almost like a quality check lol. I used to love getting some Russian powder test suspension in water and torturing myself. I literally loved the donkey kick, but I digress lol. Here are some things to consider even if you did the injection perfectly:

Strength of the mix - if you are loading up a heavy dose you will most likely feel it IE a 200mg vs a 400+mg

Type of product - like Loomer mentioned earlier, you can expect to feel no esters and other products way more then let us say a cyp 200 blended with care

Virgin muscle group - if you never pinned a muscle group in the past and decide it sounds like a good idea then prepare to have your body let you know. Think back to you first ever injection. Ah! The good ol’ days

Tight muscle groups - calf, forearm, and trap muscles can cause some people some extreme discomfort if you’re not used to pinning those areas

Stabbing a nerve - this hurts and is freaky. As you start a routine rotation you might be over an inch or so in one direct and pierce a never. It can make the area feel like fire and make your muscle contract and/or pulse.

Nicking or penetrating a blood vessel - even if you draw bubbles that doesn’t mean you fully avoided a vessel. Most who have done this know as soon as they plunge.

These are all items that could potentially cause minor to sever PIP even if you warm your oil, massage, slow insert and slow plunge.

The longer someone is in the game the less possibility there is for PIP solely based on the body’s adaptation to the process, but even the best of us have gotten a surprise PIP visit. Between you and me, I kinda like it as long as it’s not infection based lol.

Other PIP can be caused by:

Infection
Hard stabbing
Oversized needles
Using the same needle to administer the oil that you also used to draw with
Using the same exact spot every time which can cause sever scar tissue which keeps the product from absorbing
Pinning too close to connective tissue
Pinning sub q with a monster load

At the end of the day you should focus more on reducing PIP rather then focusing on the negative stigma people have built up about PIP.

NOT ALL PIP IS BAD , just some of it lol.


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Nice brotha, pretty much knocked that one out of the park.

So true though on welcoming the pip back in the day lol. That bite meant great gear. And fuck that test suspension! Felt like I was punishing myself after a few weeks. Literally contemplated to stop all together from dreading another pin. I was like how do people run this shit?! Eventually had to switch to cyp.

[Jaxz]

Winny in water was the worst pip I ever had

[Loomer1]

Winny in water was the worst pip I ever had

Yup! Lol! Basically felt the same as test suspension. And the golfball welts it leaves are just wonderful! Haha

[Booker]

Where do I not pin lol. Draw with a 20g and pin with 27 or 29 slin pin. Go to spots are delts, vg, chest


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This is all I do. Glut 27g 1.5” or delt 27g 1”. Works super well. Draw with a 20g.

[enrod]

Fellas drawing with low gauge pins - yes it’s convenient and draws faster - but it can damage the rubber at the top of your vials. Could lead to air exposure or even rubber chunks in the oil.

[Loomer1]

Fellas drawing with low gauge pins - yes it’s convenient and draws faster - but it can damage the rubber at the top of your vials. Could lead to air exposure or even rubber chunks in the oil.

True, I've found anything bigger than 21g can cause issues. I guess if someone was pulling super small amounts like .25cc out each pin then 22 or smaller would be a good idea. But with the typical 10-20 stabs 21 wont cause leakage as long as you dont keep stabbing the exact same spot.

[ironjunkie777]

True, I've found anything bigger than 21g can cause issues. I guess if someone was pulling super small amounts like .25cc out each pin then 22 or smaller would be a good idea. But with the typical 10-20 stabs 21 wont cause leakage as long as you dont keep stabbing the exact same spot.

Yeah I learned that lesson years ago. Was using a 18g to draw with and was wonder why my bag I had my bottles is was oily. Put 1 and 1 together and figured it out lol. Don’t have that problem anymore


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[lopy12]

I recommend using your body heat to warm the vial. Put your vial of test in your pocket for like a half hour. Or in a glass of hot water. That really makes it flow better. It's also less of a shock to your body when it's warm.

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[Chance08]

I personally use a 29g insulin pin in my Delt for TRT. 5/8 inch.

[Mando_762]

I have been doing my hips (ventrogluteal injection site) for the last 3 years after my sister, who is a Nurse Practitioner sugested it. She told me that's where they do their injections most of the time because of how much safer it is, and theres no need to aspirate (pull the syringe back to check for blood) because there are no arteries there to inject into. I draw with a 20 g and inj with a 1 in 25 g needle.

I do left side on Wed and right on Sat. In the past, I have used glutes, quads, and delts. But I find the hips to be the easiest to inject.

The dorsogluteal site, or buttocks, is one of the most complicated regions for IM injections. It has a lot of veins and is close to the important sciatic nerve that runs from your lower back down your legs.

The muscles of the ventrogluteal site, or the hip area, are thick, and there are fewer veins and nerves in this area. The skin here is also thinner, leading to a greater likelihood that the needle will reach the muscle. Studies show that this area is more reliable than injections to the buttocks.

The injection site is specifically located just below the iliac crest on the side of the thigh.

Tha advantages of the Ventrogluteal Site
Are thar the muscles of the ventrogluteal site, or the hip area, are thick, and there are fewer veins and nerves in this area. The skin here is also thinner, leading to a greater likelihood that the needle will reach the muscle. Studies show that this area is more reliable than injections to the buttocks.

Here are two ways to find the site.

V method. Place the opposite hand on the person's hip. If the injection will go in their right hip, use your left hand, and vice versa. Place your thumb towards the person's crotch. Put the tip of your pointer finger on the iliac crest, the most prominent part of the hip that sticks out. Then, spread your middle finger, creating a V. The injection goes at the bottom of the V where your fingers meet.

G method. G stands for geometric. With this method, you would draw imaginary lines from major bone endpoints of the thigh and hip, creating a triangle. Then, you would draw imaginary median lines from each corner of the triangle. Where these lines meet is the injection point.

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[Damnwideback90]

The type of gear doesn't matter. Everything can be pinned with a 27g×1/2. Draw with 22g or bigger and backfill a 27 slin pin. I use em for delts, tris, chest, upper outer glutes, quads, bis. If you're not very lean the only one I'd stay away from is glutes. But youd still be fine if you did. I pin 2 full slins ed so I use a lot of spots.

To help with pip heat and message helps, also working the muscle with pip helps. It's all about getting blood in there and thinning out the oil and Crystal's. Sometimes you'll just get pip no matter what. But it should never be debilitating unless you're pinning tren no ester, dhb, aqua test, aqua winny, ect.
But as for regular oil based gear you can basically pin any muscle with a slin. Just dont do calves or forearms lol

Oh there is the possibility of pinning in scar tissue or hitting a nerve. That will cause pip that lasts a little longer but no worries you'll be fine.
Trust me, youd know if it was an issue.
Hot, red, swelling, bad itching those are things to cause a little concern. But even then usually itll just go away and if not a little antibiotics will take care of it pretty quickly

I love this

[lopy12]

I have been doing my hips (ventrogluteal injection site) for the last 3 years after my sister, who is a Nurse Practitioner sugested it. She told me that's where they do their injections most of the time because of how much safer it is, and theres no need to aspirate (pull the syringe back to check for blood) because there are no arteries there to inject into. I draw with a 20 g and inj with a 1 in 15 g needle.

I do left side on Wed and right on Sat. In the past, I have used glutes, quads, and delts. But I find the hips to be the easiest to inject.

The dorsogluteal site, or buttocks, is one of the most complicated regions for IM injections. It has a lot of veins and is close to the important sciatic nerve that runs from your lower back down your legs.

The muscles of the ventrogluteal site, or the hip area, are thick, and there are fewer veins and nerves in this area. The skin here is also thinner, leading to a greater likelihood that the needle will reach the muscle. Studies show that this area is more reliable than injections to the buttocks.

The injection site is specifically located just below the iliac crest on the side of the thigh.

Tha advantages of the Ventrogluteal Site
Are thar the muscles of the ventrogluteal site, or the hip area, are thick, and there are fewer veins and nerves in this area. The skin here is also thinner, leading to a greater likelihood that the needle will reach the muscle. Studies show that this area is more reliable than injections to the buttocks.

Here are two ways to find the site.

V method. Place the opposite hand on the person's hip. If the injection will go in their right hip, use your left hand, and vice versa. Place your thumb towards the person's crotch. Put the tip of your pointer finger on the iliac crest, the most prominent part of the hip that sticks out. Then, spread your middle finger, creating a V. The injection goes at the bottom of the V where your fingers meet.

G method. G stands for geometric. With this method, you would draw imaginary lines from major bone endpoints of the thigh and hip, creating a triangle. Then, you would draw imaginary median lines from each corner of the triangle. Where these lines meet is the injection point.

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Sent from my SM-S918U using TapatalkYou are using 15g into your muscles? That's humongous.

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[ChefTren]

You are using 15g into your muscles? That's humongous.

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I’m hoping that’s just a typo……..

[MarvelNerd]

I’m hoping that’s just a typo……..

Using a 5 ml syringe and a 15 gauge pin. Gear flows so smooth. Go big like the pros.

Sarcasm. I hope it is a typo also.

[Mando_762]

You are using 15g into your muscles? That's humongous.

Sent from my SM-S901U using TapatalkNo mistyped I use a 25 g for injection lol. Yes a 15 would hurt like he'll and scar

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