The biggest Dbol dosage protocol ever used.

[Synaptic]

What's up brothers? Today I'd like to share a story I came across recently. I'll set the scene.
It's the 1970s and the Bulgarian weightlifting team is getting smashed by the Soviet union. In countries other then America, particularly Europe Olympic weightlifting is celebrated by the citizens and government alike. Prestigious jobs post career, endorsements/commercials along with the full backing of the government. Housing,food, anabolics,doctors and everything else you can imagine is provided.
Ivan abadjiev has entered the chat. Ivan had some preposterous notions concerning the development of his athletes. Think you train Hard? Does HIT sound like too much?Welcome to the Bulgarian method. 3 to 6 sessions a day @2-3 hours each. What do they do this whole time ? Well 3 lifts and it's taken to maximum and then maintained at that intensity. Clean & jerk, Snatch and front squat. That's it. No assistance training. Maybe a back squat from time to time but that's it.
Now the part I'm in this section for. What was the anabolic protocol ? Test, Winny, tren maybe ? Nope. For each athlete 180+ dianabol pills (5mg ea) a week minimum. Prior to competition this dose could be doubled. The low end of this spectrum was 900mg of Dbol a week. There was no ai or even a thought concerning estrogen. The only other steroid taken was deca and this was low dose for the joint buffering. Back then prior to a drug test the bladder was emptied and subsequently filled with clean urine via catheterization. The next question you should be asking is 1. How did they do and 2. Are they alive ? Records of 260 kilo (572 lbs) in the clean and jerk stood the test of time for many many years. Squats of 300 kilos or 660 lbs for 185 lb lifters wasn't rare and the heavy weights rocked out with 340 kilos. These are high bar, ass to grass squats by the way :)
In closing. Side effects varied from brown urine,kidney/liver failure emotional instability and every muscle, bone,tendon and ligament being torn,ripped and atrophied. This isn't a endorsement of megadosing Dbol. It is a interesting case study we can look into where multiple individuals over at least 2 decades were administered more anabolics then any other single individual I've ever heard of and probably ever will. Anyway, something to think about.

[Devil1]

Interesting read. I’ve always thought it was interesting that “test” was actually not that common back then.

[Synaptic]

Interesting read. I’ve always thought it was interesting that “test” was actually not that common back then.

I think it was a mix of people just not understanding it's significance and there just not being anything other than Dbol around at the time. Countries like Bulgaria were extremely and were essentially the first "Dbol only gym bros"

[MarvelNerd]

I think it was a mix of people just not understanding it's significance and there just not being anything other than Dbol around at the time. Countries like Bulgaria were extremely and were essentially the first "Dbol only gym bros"

Makes me wonder if this is where Westside Barbell picked up some of there regimen. It was said people quit Westside because they couldn’t handle the amount of gear pushed. It wasn’t if you were strong it was what you could handle.
Bulgarian methods included burning both sides of the candle. Maximum strength and maximum physiology. Probably some maximum mental games too.

[Loomer1]

Shit, I thought I've pushed the boundaries but 900mg of dbol a week makes my top doses look like trt lol.
I love the maximum strength and maximum physiology mindset but damn!
I'm glad we have references like this to look back on and see what happened.

[MarvelNerd]

Shit, I thought I've pushed the boundaries but 900mg of dbol a week makes my top doses look like trt lol.
I love the maximum strength and maximum physiology mindset but damn!
I'm glad we have references like this to look back on and see what happened.

Let’s be clear. You push the limits. These guys were peaking at 25 and probably dying off.

[Synaptic]

Makes me wonder if this is where Westside Barbell picked up some of there regimen. It was said people quit Westside because they couldn’t handle the amount of gear pushed. It wasn’t if you were strong it was what you could handle.
Bulgarian methods included burning both sides of the candle. Maximum strength and maximum physiology. Probably some maximum mental games too.

There is a documentary uploaded to YouTube called unbelievable Bulgarians that's filmed during this era. What you will see is abject misery with unbelievable weights. People going long into the night at the 8th fail in a row at @105% and then somehow pulling through. Their tenacity was completely iron. Can you imagine being at you 6th session of the day for the 4th day that week and still being determined to get that 5% more for a PR? It's crazy but I respect it. A lot of entities took a couple pages out of the Bulgarian book for lifting and anabolics.

[Synaptic]

Let’s be clear. You push the limits. These guys were peaking at 25 and probably dying off.

The age of retirement was usually around 28-34 for most of the lifters. It's about the same age for most Olympic athletes these days unless you are a literal god like lu xiajun the 77kilo lifter who competed until this year at 38. He only stopped bc he got caught doping lol. One of the Bulgarian lifters interviewed recently exposed the doping protocols and he was in his 50s. Some of them definitely died way too young though.

[Synaptic]

Shit, I thought I've pushed the boundaries but 900mg of dbol a week makes my top doses look like trt lol.
I love the maximum strength and maximum physiology mindset but damn!
I'm glad we have references like this to look back on and see what happened.

I feel the same way. The doping methods have evolved these days. They called it the duchess cocktail and it's all orals. They take it sublingual or buccal for absorption/clearance purposes. The majority of flagged drug tests came up for Tbol and Winstrol. They heavily took oral tren and another compound that seems to vary but mostly is primo.
There is definitely a new prodrug on the market we haven't heard of. At the last European weightlifting championships all of the lifters male and female had a level of muscle previously unseen in all the competitors. I think it will end up being a myostatin inhibitor of some kind. If not a actual drug then a manipulation of CRISPR gene editing technology. Gene editing is cutting edge and being developed as we speak. I invest in a company that's doing it actually lol.

[Loomer1]

I feel the same way. The doping methods have evolved these days. They called it the duchess cocktail and it's all orals. They take it sublingual or buccal for absorption/clearance purposes. The majority of flagged drug tests came up for Tbol and Winstrol. They heavily took oral tren and another compound that seems to vary but mostly is primo.
There is definitely a new prodrug on the market we haven't heard of. At the last European weightlifting championships all of the lifters male and female had a level of muscle previously unseen in all the competitors. I think it will end up being a myostatin inhibitor of some kind. If not a actual drug then a manipulation of CRISPR gene editing technology. Gene editing is cutting edge and being developed as we speak. I invest in a company that's doing it actually lol.

That's pretty cool, I've ran all kinds of different compounds myself. A lot most never heard of.
Both ace 031 and gdf-8 are great myo inhibitors. Maybe that's something they're running. I used to love being my own lab rat lol.
I'm very into gene editing also.

[MarvelNerd]

I feel the same way. The doping methods have evolved these days. They called it the duchess cocktail and it's all orals. They take it sublingual or buccal for absorption/clearance purposes. The majority of flagged drug tests came up for Tbol and Winstrol. They heavily took oral tren and another compound that seems to vary but mostly is primo.
There is definitely a new prodrug on the market we haven't heard of. At the last European weightlifting championships all of the lifters male and female had a level of muscle previously unseen in all the competitors. I think it will end up being a myostatin inhibitor of some kind. If not a actual drug then a manipulation of CRISPR gene editing technology. Gene editing is cutting edge and being developed as we speak. I invest in a company that's doing it actually lol.

Nigerian lifters are being studied for lack of myostatin inhibition. They just get bigger quicker. One of the reasons I stick with 8-12 week cycles is the amount studies showing your body severely inhibits muscle growth after week 7 on cycle. Unless you use a myostatin inhibitor blocking aid.

Or gh and insulin are great work arounds for myostatin inhibitors. Liver King actually went to Singapore for the CRISPR TECH to reduce myostatin inhibition.

I just don’t want to put a bunch of money towards it. I prefer to travel.

[Synaptic]

Nigerian lifters are being studied for lack of myostatin inhibition. They just get bigger quicker. One of the reasons I stick with 8-12 week cycles is the amount studies showing your body severely inhibits muscle growth after week 7 on cycle. Unless you use a myostatin inhibitor blocking aid.

Or gh and insulin are great work arounds for myostatin inhibitors. Liver King actually went to Singapore for the CRISPR TECH to reduce myostatin inhibition.

I just don’t want to put a bunch of money towards it. I prefer to travel.

I heard that liver king did that too. There is always (-) epicatechin that can be used for myostatin inhibition. I was reading a couple studies that utilized it with good results. I'm not sure how I feel about it Not every study seemed to have the same findings of course. Maybe used alongside a good cycle a minor increase in the yield of muscle fiber production would be seen. That would be difficult to determine on my own though. We need like 100 people on BoP for this lol

[Loomer1]

One thing I do know is even a slight inhibition of myo can lead to great gains. Ace-031 got me out of a long plateau a while back. I was running that with increlex (igf) and holy shit was that a great combo. The only thing that scares me is inhibiting myo can weaken tendons. So I'll only run inhibitors occasionally and very short bursts.

[Loomer1]

Let’s be clear. You push the limits. These guys were peaking at 25 and probably dying off.

Yeah I try my best to safely push the limits. But when I was younger I tried so many different things. Had a few scares from exotics. So I've calmed down a lot. Thankfully my lab rat days actually gave me some great experience with other pathways to muscle growth and strength. I'll most likely run a myo inhibitor with my slin and gh very soon.

[MarvelNerd]

Yeah I try my best to safely push the limits. But when I was younger I tried so many different things. Had a few scares from exotics. So I've calmed down a lot. Thankfully my lab rat days actually gave me some great experience with other pathways to muscle growth and strength. I'll most likely run a myo inhibitor with my slin and gh very soon.

We appreciate your knowledge. It is obvious you have tried a variety of things and have a wealth of knowledge.

[Loomer1]

Let’s be clear. You push the limits. These guys were peaking at 25 and probably dying off.


We appreciate your knowledge. It is obvious you have tried a variety of things and have a wealth of knowledge.

Thanks Marvel that means a lot. I also learn a ton from you guys too. You alone have taught me a thing or two, and have helped me with training tips that really made a difference in my lifts.

[MarvelNerd]

Thanks Marvel that means a lot. I also learn a ton from you guys too. You alone have taught me a thing or two, and have helped me with training tips that really made a difference in my lifts.

Thanks Brother. That also means a lot. I picked my last run from your advice and it was on of my best ever. I would never have ran Sustanon with tren. Now I will try it again.

[Synaptic]

One thing I do know is even a slight inhibition of myo can lead to great gains. Ace-031 got me out of a long plateau a while back. I was running that with increlex (igf) and holy shit was that a great combo. The only thing that scares me is inhibiting myo can weaken tendons. So I'll only run inhibitors occasionally and very short bursts.

Yeah everyone here is right. I've learned a lot from you and everyone else here too. I've looked up the myo inhibitors you've mentioned and they look awesome.

[MarvelNerd]

One thing I do know is even a slight inhibition of myo can lead to great gains. Ace-031 got me out of a long plateau a while back. I was running that with increlex (igf) and holy shit was that a great combo. The only thing that scares me is inhibiting myo can weaken tendons. So I'll only run inhibitors occasionally and very short bursts.

Could you team a myo and Anavar since Anavar does strengthen tendons?

[Synaptic]

Could you team a myo and Anavar since Anavar does strengthen tendons?

I'm interested in the answer to this too. If I was able to run a myostatin inhibitor for 4-8 weeks I'd incorporate TB500 and low dose deca around 100-150mg/wk off the rip.

[Loomer1]

Could you team a myo and Anavar since Anavar does strengthen tendons?

It probably would help some but I think since the two are not in the same class of drugs you would still have to be careful with myo inhibition. Even though myostatin seems like the enemy our bodies produce it for good reason.

[Loomer1]

I'm interested in the answer to this too. If I was able to run a myostatin inhibitor for 4-8 weeks I'd incorporate TB500 and low dose deca around 100-150mg/wk off the rip.

Also could help some. I'm trying to figure out how to explain this.
Blocking myo weakens tendons in a different way then hormones strengthen them. The tb might be a good thing to try to combat it by the healing properties. But I cant say if it would work well.
I guess running gear that strengthens tendons to prevent weakening the tendons from myo inhibition is kind of like using a drug to attack the symptoms and not the cause.

[Loomer1]

Those myo inhibitors can be ran safely but personally I'd only run them at 4 week intervals with a few months in between cycles.