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    Thread: Current Cut Cycle

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      Current Cut Cycle

      Gday fellas. So I'm doing a cut cycle to get back to where I need to be with PBF, while having the additional goal of hanging onto my SMM as far as possible. For various reasons I'm on a time crunch with this and I wont explain further for privacy reasons. Also for privacy reasons I wont be putting photos up or sharing some types of stats, but be assured, this is what Im doing and Ill record how my experiences are going.

      The key here is to leverage every real advantage I can for meeting my goals, while still being able to function well enough to do my work and get through life all fine while on this cycle. There is allot that has gone into this stack. Accelerating liposis, really burning that adipose tissue hard, taking advantage of nutrient partitioning, of strong androgen receptor binding in the chose compounds etcetc. Receptor binding really matters as adipose tissue also has receptor sites just like muscle. Same with Glucocorticoid Receptors.

      The stack is per week:

      350mg of Winstrol Depot, pinned daily. Winny is just awesome. Only roid to effectively handle SHGB, and its adrogenic to anabolic rating is simply an awesome ratio. It wont aramotise and does stuff all with progestin. I find the sore joints thing to be when my PBF is really low and honestly I get that without Winny anyway, I believe the human body or atleast my body doesnt like really low PBF. Depot for better bio availability and less impact on the liver given its a 17 AA class of roid
      400mg Trenbolone Enathate
      250mg Testosterone Enathate

      So here you have the three compounds for accelerating liposis via roids, 19nor/DHT/test class juice working together to have greater combined effect

      Then I have:
      T3 - tren tends to lower this as does an ongoing energy deficit
      Caber - for tren
      Aromasin - mild and safe AI, especially given Tren and Winny are what they are, only Test will aromatise. Test is deliberately kept low here.

      Ontop I have:
      Acetyl Carnitine - accelerate mitochondria making ATP
      Phentermine - stimulant
      DNP - this is my first cycle using this, I am being super careful

      I tend not to need cialis on stacks like this but I like to keep it around especially if I want to go on an all nighter of passion and torment

      After six-eight weeks pending how I feel Ill drop the winny. Some weeks break for the liver, then I might get onto proviron. Note I am not a huge fan of Masteron, I find proviron better. But I also suspect my PBF wont be low enough to really make use of proviron so I may not end up using it before this cycle ends.

      If I could afford the two grand australian a month, I'd pin daily 4-10 IU of Growth Hormone, Im talking real growth hormone not the faked crap. I dont want to afford it so Im not using it. But I know, if I added this in, I would for sure further accelerate liposis the studies and practical effect in others Ive seen leaves no question. I might consider some secretagogues like MK677 or GHRP6 or something, well see

      Last time I did this stack (without DNP thats new due to my time crunch) I actually packed on decent SMM (5kgs) while dropping my PBF heaps (over 10%).

      To be fair though, I should say that I have muscle memory from building in prior cycles allot of androgen receptors, its a life long memory that develops. So its easier for me to put on, especially when on cycle, if Ive gotten a bit lax with remaining anabolic and lost some.

      I welcome any real input, either constructive criticism or encouragement. Yes Im pretty much smashing speed like substances with phentermine, yes Im talking DNP, yes Im doing tren and winny but fuck, apart from the DNP all this before was just fine to integrate into my daily life and be going hard with before. One lesson Ive truly learnt from the past is never again to allow my PBF to climb this high. I tend to favour lean gain drugs for performance enhancement over stuff like DBOL or Deca, but even with those being a calorie surplus will at some point become a PBF problem.

      Oh and finally I might add in a small amount of deca or npp into the stack i I start to get issues with hard training, only cos I'm an older guy and nandrolone seems to really help with lubing things up. Maybe 100mg or 150mg a week, that can tend to do it for me.

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      if u are on a time crunch y not rum more gear. if what u are using is dosed 100% on the money then u are fine but most aus ulg is a bit on the low side run a bit more test and a bit of deca and u ever tried hcg on hard cut cycles ? and winne is winne injecting it is the same as oral in terms of liver toxicity. do a lot of reading on using t3 and dnp togeather can be a lot more powerfull them most people know in a good and bad way.

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      Thanks fellas. Yes I always do HCG on cycle I should have mentioned it, my protocol is after the first two weeks of being on cycle, in that week 2 commence 250 iu twice per week, for 500iu total a week until the cycle ends. My body is sensitive to testicular atrophy pain from being shutdown and I have an idiosyncratic thing about keeping the nuts sized right. I'll say too I dont like how some of the pharma gear is shipped from the manufacturer with water for injection. I always mix with bacteriostatic water as I know that will keep my HCG fresh. Only pinning 500iu a week in say a 5000iu vial I want a preservative to keep it for the right amount of time.

      So at first I was fine with the stanozolol, but now its just god awful. Not during the pin, but with PIP hours later. Ive tried all the usual stuff like massaging the depot, making sure I aspirate check and z pinch on injection....Not just pip, two times now swelling along with the pain. I know its the winny and not due to sterility issues, cos the PIP can take 8 hours plus to come on from pinning. Last three days I just used a drawing needle to draw 50mg (350 weekly) and took the bastard orally. Im going to try pinning one more time in a few days for hopes that my body is more able to recognise the hormone compound and stops getting so irritated with it, I know its dropping out of depot and the hormone crystals are ripping up the pain.

      DNP, Phentermine and T3, as well as the Tren Ent starting to come in now, is hitting me pretty hard...today has been hectic in particular. Sweats. Resting heart rate up. Blood pressure up. I am monitoring my vitals close, heart rate, glucose, blood pressure, and other stuff like my sleep mechanics etcetc It's a strange combination of having waves of "phuck yeah lets kick some goals Im pretty bloody pumped while smiling to ear to ear feeling almost high but competent to do the day" to "phuck me, if I sweat anymore and feel anymore shagged I aint going to continue being able to drink all this water such is the effort to lift my water cup" to "puck Im totally spun out, just bluff through it, looking confident and focused but relaxed and friendly is all thats needed to bluff away"....This can be a wave of say 4 hours, to feeling all this within no more than 5 minutes. Time will tell if it calms down. And forget about any sense of needing to eat. I am actually forcing myself to eat my seven planned and controlled meals at the right time each day. Its under 2000 calories, a large energy deficit and certainly below my BMR. Its actually been tough doing the meal planning to hit all my micronutrient targets each day in particular with so few calories available. Ive upped my protein macro goal per day as I know studies show that larger energy deficiets require higher protein macro per KG of lean mass amounts:

      “Protein needs for energy-restricted resistance-trained athletes are likely 2.3-3.1g/kg of FFM [1 to 1.4 grams per pound of fat free mass] scaled upwards with severity of caloric restriction and leanness.”

      Ive started melatonin 2mg slow release, more to try to get ahead if thats at all possible with the trensomnia that I know is headed my way

      So DNP. My first dose was me pulling apart the capsule and doing half, 100mg and waiting 48 hours. The main thing I did was understand that the half life of this compound is super bizzare, like it might be 36 hours or it might be a week! There is no antidote to DNP so if you stuff up, youll cook and die. The best medical care would be just symptomatic in an emergency at best - like accelerated methods for body cooling and hydration. Theres two problems really, one, the therapuedic window is small, two, "significant interindividual variability in metabolism" meaning everyones widely different with it. The two problems are way more nasty when taken as a combined whole than each, its a nasty stack of problems especially the variable half life. After 48 hours I did 200mg. This has been pretty strong when stacked with everything else Im on.

      Im trying to get in for a dexa shortly, need a proper scan.

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      Pinning nandrolone for my joints. Small doses 150-200mg a week. Its more an age thing than winny. Continuing oral administration of winny so over pinning that!

      Titrating DNP. Up to 400MG a day now. Getting smashed with exhaustion. My thoughts for any input is:

      1. Dianabol. Those who are experienced would know the way dbol makes things kinda fun and interesting, zippy, its a dopamine thing. Another suggested dbol, so its on the list. Not ideal though cos its a 17aa with hepatoxicity ontop of my winny already.
      2. More amphets - more speed. Im already doing phentermine pretty hard. I actually slept on 60mg of phentermine midday today for a compulsory power nap.I could drop the phentermine and explore adderall / dex amphet / modafinil / ritalin and the like. Not very keen.
      3. More T3. I know AAS in general on an energy deficit will drag me down a bit on thyroid function. Ive bumped to 50mg given the tren and energy deficit, but it just seems DNP smashes me. Im really not keen but of all the options it seemed prudent to bump to 75mg and worry about thyroid recovery post cycle given the DNP cycle length is two weeks that I intend to do, then some break for another DNP cycle of two weeks. Im a bit concerned with ED - Im already suffering a bit to baseline but thats without the tadalafil so far. I know with hyperthyroidism which is what 75mg is ensured to create, ED is common. I know Im super shutdown now despite it being stuff all time on this protocol. I just feel it. Takes allot more to get hard and stay hard. Ejaculating less, that kinda prostate fluid mainly wad without the spermies in it. My lady asked if all was Ok, I took it as a personal challenge and shot three times in one session with her, but the third involved heavy jacking off with the knob in her to even approach getting there. Gone is morning wood or spontaneous wood. HCG is working I know from experience in this state my balls would be super sore by now without it. I dont think its the tren and nandrolone together or individually, Ive got caber. I think its more T3, and the phentermine. Well that is, not including being shutdown and not producing sperm cells to any real degree while on cycle.
      4. Ive already upped my carb macro

      Im on track with my work goals and looking ok for the deadline touchwood.

      biige dunno about more gear man. I think the juice is largely a protect my SMM tool while on T3 / DNP / amphets / big energy deficit daily. I get the benefits with nutrient partitioning and with accelerated liposis but I dont think its all that significant. Im open minded bro, share some experiences and studies please. I find AAS helps but isnt a major thing like DNP for fat burning, to me its more a protection mechanism from catabolism and nasty stuff like elevated cortisol.
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      Dosage changes, fine tuning to my own body genetics and the gear Im juicing, this seems better

      500mg week test ent
      550mg week tren ent
      50mg winny daily
      400mg DNP daily
      75mcg T3 daily
      40mg phentermine daily
      caber twice a week
      aromasin as needed
      HCG 500iu in two doses of 250iu a week
      coffee through the day
      creatine
      carnitine
      Im doing allot of whey protein isolate as with calorie limits and my protein macro needs, Im forced into wpi as a complete protein with high bioavilability and good amino ratios, all 9 essential aminos are there in it

      If I get desperate and arent able to power nap during the day, Im up for ritalin/modafinil/dex amphet/adderall whatever I might have access too

      Diet is heaps of superfoods, antioxidants, micronutrients, fully planned meals around the clock, hitting macro targets

      This is really the suck, THE SUCK, no less, but Im functional and coping. However, any sex now requires cialis. I guess thats still coping lol. By definition

      All vitals and other biometrics all good
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      So my coach and another advisor in these things have educated me on some finer points with Winstrol

      * Its untrue the impact to the liver is the same between winstrol depot and oral tabs. Yes both are 17 AA roids, which are hepatoxic, but because the winstrol depot bypasses the first pass liver metabolism process that the oral undergoes, the hepatoxic impact is reduced.
      * Winstrol tabs have a 9 hour half life. Winstrol depot has a 24 hour half life.
      * So its far better to pin winstrol depot, but Ive stuck to taking winstrol depot orally out of fear Ill suffer with PIP, swelling, movement and training problems. Im gunna suck it up and try again hoping to see my body recognise the hormone better by now, but I want to time it after leg day and optimally pin it against my program to limit the impact if its still a problem for me

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      I havent noticed anyone around the usual places of the internet talking about the role DNP plays with propranolol. Its a pretty commonly prescribed beta blocker. I found this study on dogs saying:

      "PR did not interfere with the DNP-induced rise of body temperature (+ 4 degrees C), but completely blocked the rise of lactate production, the lactacidemia and the rise of GLY seen in DNP treated controls. PR significantly increased %L----G, prolonged the DNP induced hyperphosphataemia and it caused a decline of plasma glucose. The effects of the beta-blocker could be overcome by increasing the rate of DNP infusion"

      And another study sights the common symptom scenarios of:

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      DNP is a combination of hyperthermia, tachycardia, diaphoresis and tachypnoea, eventually leading to death."

      So abnormally overheating, abnormally elevated resting heart rate, profuse sweating and abnormally rapid breathing, leading commonly to lethal poisoning from cardiac system overload.

      propranolol may assist in coping with the side effects, it wont bring down temperature, but may assist with preventing overload of lactic acid and going all glucose overly sensitive with hyperglycemia - DNP as side effects is know for doubling glucose metabolism and causing a flood of lactic acid.

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      Pretty solid stuff there lad

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