Yes, I just saw that one forum for btc just now after making this original post earlier today.

But in the mean time I got coinmama to work to buy BTC and transfer it to blockchain.com, then blockchain.com it to the source for payment. Bros will probably give reasons not to use one of the other but they both worked for me

In case anyone reading this hasnt figured this much out you need one program to buy it and sell it and another to pay with it. Blockchain.com is anonymous and used to send btc for payment.

A couple of them I tried using earlier would only let me buy FIVE dollars worth of btc with a credit or debit card. coinmama had a 15k limit for cards, I think. They charge 25% fee for using a card which is standard from what I can tell.