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also If you eat like a horse , train like an animal , do everything by the book and donīt use chemical aids , you wonīt look the same as w gear ..... that thickness is not possible wout it . gear wonīt a champion make , but vice versa all champions use it to get the look they need possible . I see no reason to underestimate the effect . look at arnold & co in the 70īs or even before .... big guys wout gut bloation , all used steroids . compare it to era after lee haney and dorian yates .... the increase in size is huge . how did they do it ? training more , heavier ...eating more ? I say yes to all + they started using stuff champs didnīt have before .this is obvious to eye . the bigger the guy , the more he has used something ( GH &stuff I donīt even know by name ) + trained hard and eaten like no tomorrow . nobody has genetics tht good wout chemical aid on side . and for second I donīt believe anything is used "little " at least in competitive levels .... dorian yates has confirmed that too . he knows all aspects Iīd say .... I only point out letīs be fair shall we . if it was jusst dianadol ( yes iīm oldchool ) or such , our proīs would look much the same they did in the 70īs and early 80īs , give or take something in either direction . IMO that would be good , I like the look of bbīs back then . my 2 euros
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