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      Quote Originally Posted by beanlicker View Post
      Great info from another board. This is a great reply to a subscriber's questions and is similar to others I have seen from admin at securenym........

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      > Where are your servers located? If in the USA , the US Gov can
      > force you to give up info like they did for Hushmail correct?
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      > Your program may not send out personal info but does it collect it
      > as in you know who signed up for your Service and the method you use
      > to collect payment stores info... Correct?

      Your message was forwarded to me by one of our administrators. As one
      of SecureNym's owners, I wanted to take the time to answer your
      questions personally.

      SecureNym has gateway servers in the US and our database servers are
      located in Canada. We have a backup location, for emergencies, in
      Nassau, Bahamas.

      A government can certainly try to force us to provide information, as
      can anyone else via legal proceedings. They do so all the time. Some
      of the subpoenas are quashed immediately, due to errors or
      incompetence. Those that survive the initial scrutiny from our
      attorneys have not been a problem to date.

      SecureNym, from day one ten years ago, chose a much different
      security model than Hush. The whole premise of our security is that
      we cannot be forced to reveal what we don't know. Ignorance is a
      simple, and very reliable, defense that has served both our users and
      us quite well.

      We do NOT have any way of knowing who has what account. When a user
      receives an account creation key, and enters it into our system, the
      key is securely deleted BEFORE the user is directed to the account
      creation page. Thus, the connection between an account key and a
      specific account never exists. This is why we admonish users to be
      sure to complete the process immediately, because otherwise we have
      no way of recovering the key.

      This means that it might be possible for someone to discover the
      user's payment to SecureNym, via financial records at a credit card
      company, but there is no way to prove that the account key was even
      used, much less what account it might have been used to create. A
      payment is circumstantial evidence, at very best.

      Next, we have no way of recovering a password. SecureNym uses a
      Catch-22 to make sure that we can't do so, and that no one else could
      either. All passwords are encrypted and stored in our databases. The
      decryption key is a cryptographic 'hash' of the account name and
      the...... password. In short, you must know the password to decrypt
      the password.

      Your messages are all encrypted with that same cryptographic hash, on
      the fly, as they arrive at our servers. The same rule applies; the
      messages can be decrypted ONLY with the user's account name and password.

      God knows, we've defended our security practices in countless legal
      proceedings. So many that government agencies rarely bother trying
      anymore. The fact is that our security protects us just as much as it
      protects our users. If it were ever to be proven that we could access
      the information we claim we can't, we'd face some very serious
      contempt and perjury charges.

      As a defense, ignorance must be absolutely demonstrable and provable.
      Ours is, and has withstood legal scrutiny many times.

      Hushmail gave up information that they should have never had, plain
      and simple. Once you have it, you don't have much choice in the face
      of a proper subpoena. And once it's been proven that you have
      information, it's almost impossible to turn off the information tap
      without being charged with obstruction of justice. The solution is to
      NEVER have anything.

      SecureNym was subpoenaed at exactly the same time as Hush was. We
      fought the subpoena, and beat it, so it didn't get far, but Hush just
      submitted. The agencies involved even tried to force us to change our
      programming, to facilitate their efforts. That's illegal, by any
      standard, so our attorneys were able to stop this before it got off
      the ground.

      We can only speculate as to why Hush chose not to fight for their
      users, but they did not.

      In the end, it comes down to the business objective. Hush wants to go
      public one day, and has accepted money from venture capitalists
      toward that end. This is a slippery slope, and once you step foot on
      it, things can go downhill rather quickly.

      Investors don't like controversy, such as is provided by fighting the
      DOJ. This is evidenced by the fact that most public companies will
      furnish anything the government wants, often without even a subpoena.
      ATT, AOL, and countless others fall into this category of gutless wonders.

      SecureNym has had ample opportunity to be either acquired or diluted
      with money from investors, such as Microsoft. SecureNym is privately
      owned, and is going to stay that way. There are three principals, two
      Americans and one Canadian. We have never accepted investments from
      anyone, nor will we, because the day we do, we start losing control
      of our company, and our security.

      When that happens, you can no longer give your users what they pay
      you to provide.

      I hope this helps answer your questions.

      Admin
      SecureNym.net
      Thanks for the info, it makes sense why all the long time sponsors use it.
      Credentials:

      • Masters Degree in Exercise Physiology
      • Registered Clinical Exercise Physiologist (ACSM)
      • Certified Exercise Specialist (ACSM)



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      Good information there are plenty of encrypted email options out there. Research needs to be done.

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      Anyone want to give there opinion on the top 3. Was going to switch from safe to securenym.

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      Quote Originally Posted by big_paul_ski View Post
      Anyone want to give there opinion on the top 3. Was going to switch from safe to securenym.
      Countermail and secureNym seem to get the best feedback, but neither are free. I have also heard good things about CryptoHeaven

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      Quote Originally Posted by beanlicker View Post
      Countermail and secureNym seem to get the best feedback, but neither are free. I have also heard good things about CryptoHeaven
      Countermail i believe will give you a free 30days.

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      Quote Originally Posted by beanlicker View Post
      Countermail and secureNym seem to get the best feedback, but neither are free. I have also heard good things about CryptoHeaven
      Thanks man. I don't care if I have to pay. I just want to be safe.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Red Circle View Post
      Countermail i believe will give you a free 30days.
      They do give you 30 days for free, but I don't call that free, I call that a hook

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      This was posted at forums.steroid.com by Big Little Tim......


      Gentlemen,

      I received the following letter from the folks at Keptprivate.com when I inquired about their privacy policy. I posted this in another thread, but thought it deserves its own thread.

      Hi,

      I understand your concerns, but those statements are false. KeptPrivate
      privacy has never been an issue. In order to somewhat prove the
      statement i am making here, i will show you some simple logic.

      2 keptprivate subscribers, send mail to each other, the message never
      leaves our network, nor our servers. So unless they have some guys that
      can teleport into our locked cages and steal our drives, no data is
      going anywhere.

      The examples could go more, but it's a simple question of logic. We do
      comply with laws as well, BUT, unless we're facing some drug dealers, or
      child porn, the privacy of our users stays the way it should stay. And
      that is PRIVATE.

      We don't know what other companies policies are regarding privacy, and i
      am not going to comment that. At KeptPrivate we are focused on our
      users, and their privacy.

      I hope i answered your questions in a pleasant manner.

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      Quote Originally Posted by beanlicker View Post
      This was posted at forums.steroid.com by Big Little Tim......


      Gentlemen,

      I received the following letter from the folks at Keptprivate.com when I inquired about their privacy policy. I posted this in another thread, but thought it deserves its own thread.

      Hi,

      I understand your concerns, but those statements are false. KeptPrivate
      privacy has never been an issue. In order to somewhat prove the
      statement i am making here, i will show you some simple logic.

      2 keptprivate subscribers, send mail to each other, the message never
      leaves our network, nor our servers. So unless they have some guys that
      can teleport into our locked cages and steal our drives, no data is
      going anywhere.

      The examples could go more, but it's a simple question of logic. We do
      comply with laws as well, BUT, unless we're facing some drug dealers, or
      child porn, the privacy of our users stays the way it should stay. And
      that is PRIVATE.

      We don't know what other companies policies are regarding privacy, and i
      am not going to comment that. At KeptPrivate we are focused on our
      users, and their privacy.

      I hope i answered your questions in a pleasant manner.
      This is scary, I won't be using kept private. It doesn't take teleportation for cops to serve a search warrant.
      Credentials:

      • Masters Degree in Exercise Physiology
      • Registered Clinical Exercise Physiologist (ACSM)
      • Certified Exercise Specialist (ACSM)



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      Nice post. Thanks 4 info

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