Protein intake while on cycle

**born** · 03-01-2018, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

tren really gets you soaked at night like that? that's nuts. its only at night?

Actually tren only causes me to sweat a little more. High test makes me incurably oily and it wont wash out of sheets. I don't sweat horribly unless I dont have a fan on. Without a fan though I get pissed off and writhe around until I have to turn one on.

Two worst sides of high tren for me are insomnia and lethargy during the day.

**PJ034** · 03-01-2018, 06:44 AM

I agree with most of what you said. Especially carbs over protein for you calorie intake and that you don't need a lot of protein on cycle. This is even more true when in tren.

But I think you hit your head saying insulin isn't anabolic. It's actually considered to be "THE" most anabolic hormone the body can produce. Saying insulin isn't anabolic because all it does is deliver more glucose and amino acids to the muscle... is like me saying steroids aren't anabolic because they just help muscles synthesize protein better and increase insulin. One of the actual reasons steroids work so well is because they also affect the bodies natural insulin production. Ever noticed how you seem to be more hypoglycemic after workouts on cycle than when off cycle. It's the increased insulin caused by steroids.

Hormone affecting drugs are only classified as catabolic or anabolic, and insulin damn sure isn't in the catabolic category. You can take insulin without taking any other drug and build way more muscle than just being all natural. That all by itself is the definition of anabolism. I've been researching the shit out of insulin over the last couple of months. You might want to do your homework before you say insulin isn't anabolic. If you would like I can post the links to a dozen medical articles about the anabolic effects of insulin.

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**GearHeaded** · 03-01-2018, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by PJ034

I agree with most of what you said. Especially carbs over protein for you calorie intake and that you don't need a lot of protein on cycle. This is even more true when in tren.

But I think you hit your head saying insulin isn't anabolic. It's actually considered to be "THE" most anabolic hormone the body can produce. Saying insulin isn't anabolic because all it does is deliver more glucose and amino acids to the muscle... is like me saying steroids aren't anabolic because they just help muscles synthesize protein better and increase insulin. One of the actual reasons steroids work so well is because they also affect the bodies natural insulin production. Ever noticed how you seem to be more hypoglycemic after workouts on cycle than when off cycle. It's the increased insulin caused by steroids.

Hormone affecting drugs are only classified as catabolic or anabolic, and insulin damn sure isn't in the catabolic category. You can take insulin without taking any other drug and build way more muscle than just being all natural. That all by itself is the definition of anabolism. I've been researching the shit out of insulin over the last couple of months. You might want to do your homework before you say insulin isn't anabolic. If you would like I can post the links to a dozen medical articles about the anabolic effects of insulin.

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umm, I'm a bit confused. not sure where you got the idea from that I said that insulin is NOT anabolic . for the guys that know me know that I'm a huge advocate of exogenous insulin use for bodybuilding and promote it as one of the best and most anabolic drugs we can take. shit I don't even like to workout unless I got 20iu of slin to run

I don't need to do my fucking homework brother lol. you been researching insulin for months now,, thats great , I been using it and coaching other guys on using it for years. and I've always promoted it as being anabolic as fuck. I have zero clue where your accusation of me saying it is not anabolic came from

perhaps you mis read the post of mine directed at born, where I was being SARCASTIC and poking fun at people who say insulin is not anabolic and is just a fat storage hormone. lol, that wasn't me saying that it isn't anabolic. I was being sarcastic

**PJ034** · 03-01-2018, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

umm, I'm a bit confused. not sure where you got the idea from that I said that insulin is NOT anabolic . for the guys that know me know that I'm a huge advocate of exogenous insulin use for bodybuilding and promote it as one of the best and most anabolic drugs we can take. shit I don't even like to workout unless I got 20iu of slin to run

I don't need to do my fucking homework brother lol. you been researching insulin for months now,, thats great , I been using it and coaching other guys on using it for years. and I've always promoted it as being anabolic as fuck. I have zero clue where your accusation of me saying it is not anabolic came from

perhaps you mis read the post of mine directed at born, where I was being SARCASTIC and poking fun at people who say insulin is not anabolic and is just a fat storage hormone. lol, that wasn't me saying that it isn't anabolic. I was being sarcastic

It was really late and I was hangry... lol! Your context of being sarcastic didn't compute at the time. So I apologize. I shouldn't have been so aggressive with the "hit your head comment either". I blame it on the gear.

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**GearHeaded** · 03-01-2018, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by PJ034

It was really late and I was hangry... lol! Your context of being sarcastic didn't compute at the time. So I apologize. I shouldn't have been so aggressive with the "hit your head comment either". I blame it on the gear.

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no worries brother I understand ! but hey, we are both on the same page in regards to insulin use and it being ANABOLIC. I've got a short write up I did on insulin use for bodybuilding on another forum. perhaps I should throw it up on the brotherhood and we can all engage in some insulin discussion

**Radman69** · 03-01-2018, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

no worries brother I understand ! but hey, we are both on the same page in regards to insulin use and it being ANABOLIC. I've got a short write up I did on insulin use for bodybuilding on another forum. perhaps I should throw it up on the brotherhood and we can all engage in some insulin discussion

with all due respect GH, please dont reference any other boards on here... u can post your report as u DO indeed seem knowledgeable but we like to keep them 'other' boards out of our minds! Also... Tren has a tendency with me as an individual to eat theough glycogen like a motha fucker! So when running tren i have to up carbs more so or i look skeletor flat as fuck!

**GearHeaded** · 03-01-2018, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Radman69

with all due respect GH, please dont reference any other boards on here... u can post your report as u DO indeed seem knowledgeable but we like to keep them 'other' boards out of our minds! Also... Tren has a tendency with me as an individual to eat theough glycogen like a motha fucker! So when running tren i have to up carbs more so or i look skeletor flat as fuck!

yeah completely understandable, thats why I didn't mention the other board by name I just used the generic term "forum".

yeah Tren doesn't just eat through carbs, it eats through calories in general . thats why its a great cutter. heck just by running Tren and it stimulating your CNS your in a calorie deficit. also why some guys have trouble trying to bulk with Tren, they simply can't eat enough . but once you do get in a surplus and have plenty of glucose, it sure as hell will fill you out and make your hard

**Biggaintime** · 03-01-2018, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Radman69

with all due respect GH, please dont reference any other boards on here... u can post your report as u DO indeed seem knowledgeable but we like to keep them 'other' boards out of our minds! Also... Tren has a tendency with me as an individual to eat theough glycogen like a motha fucker! So when running tren i have to up carbs more so or i look skeletor flat as fuck!

This is my problem. Needing to up my carbs

**Biggaintime** · 03-01-2018, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by born

Actually tren only causes me to sweat a little more. High test makes me incurably oily and it wont wash out of sheets. I don't sweat horribly unless I dont have a fan on. Without a fan though I get pissed off and writhe around until I have to turn one on.

Two worst sides of high tren for me are insomnia and lethargy during the day.

10w40?

**Biggaintime** · 03-01-2018, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

idk , your looking pretty thick and swole in your avi brother . your the anecdotal evidence that insulin with proper diet and hard ass training works. once you add that tren, adrol, and high dose test cycle with limited AI usage your going to be stacked as hell . IGF levels will shoot through the roof even without using HGH.

Its all lighting. We are neighbors. Trust me he ain't that big.