Thread: **ADVISE PLEASE** Is Keto Killing My Gains? Need Help and Advise From The Brotherhood.

Okay, so a little back story: I have been eating Keto for a year now. This time last year I was a fatass at 220 lbs. I started Keto, got down to 174 lbs. Then I started exercising. THEN I started lifting. Shortly after that, I started TRT - then, gear. I am currently sitting at 201lbs and not fat (i have some left over belly fat, but I am working on it).

I often wonder if I should stay on Keto. I feel great, I am rarely hungry and I look better at 45 than I ever have. I can't help but wonder if I may be better served eating like (most) of you here do. Would my muscles develop better? Would I maybe have an easier time getting rid of this belly fat? If so, how should I transition? What diet plan should I follow?

The reason I am creating this thread is that I am pretty freakin scared of carbs! I DO NOT want to start swelling back up (unless it is muscle of course).

Thanks in advance!

Personally I don't think keto is a good bodybuilding diet. It can be done yes. The gains are going to be slow and you won't get full results from the gear. It is a great diet to loose weight and that is what you have achieved.
Carbs are important, I hardly ever use a preworkout because I eat a preworkout meal with some complex and quick carbs included. This keeps me fueled during the workout. Keto worked great for me to rid bf. But I would always tire out half way through a workout when I was doing it.
And on another note It always seems that when I hit a wall with a diet if I just change it up some that I will start seeing results again. We all know our body does respond slower to things it is used too. That being gear / diet / training / whatever.

Keto was tough on my progress bud.

Are you doing true keto ? What’s your fat/protein ratio?

When I was going it, i had to drop my protein all the year down to 25% of my Macros. Fat was around 70% and the rest was trace fibrous carbs.

I had to do it like this to get into deal ketosis.

I truly believe the minimal protein wasn’t beneficial for recovery outside the gym


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Dom D’Augustino is the go to on this. The short answer you will build muscle it takes months for the same gains as with carbs. Keto down regulates many hormone or chemical pathways including testosterone.

I did keto for about a year myself. I quit for family reasons (wife).


Real pain is failing to succeed.

Keto has always worked great for fat loss for me, but it made me lose drastic progress on my main lifts. I lost over 100lbs on my deadlift when I switched to keto for 3 months. I found that if I ate 20-30g carbs total each day, it would kick me out of ketosis. High protein also kicked me out of ketosis...I wasnt in ketosis really, it was just low carb.

I’ve did keto, been heavily in ketosis, did modified keto (high protein), did rapid fat loss diet (lbm in protein and nothing else), intermittent fasting + keto, intermittent + carb cycling...used to be 280, dropped to 180, now 212.

I can honestly say intermittent fasting + carb cycling around workouts has been the greatest thing I’ve done as far as still burning fat and gaining muscle. I am leaner than I’ve ever been. Fast for 16 hours, then enjoy myself and can almost eat whatever I want without going too crazy.

Been on T3, gh, and clen. I’ve dropped the clen and currently tapering off the T3. Once I’m off that I will be adding eca 3x daily and more fasted cardio to prevent rebound. If you decide to come off keto, just reintroduce clean carbs slowly. Maybe add eca if you wanted. I believe they say that intermittent fasting will almost put you into ketosis every day once approaching the end of the fast anyways




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Originally Posted by webdev

Keto has always worked great for fat loss for me, but it made me lose drastic progress on my main lifts. I lost over 100lbs on my deadlift when I switched to keto for 3 months. I found that if I ate 20-30g carbs total each day, it would kick me out of ketosis. High protein also kicked me out of ketosis...I wasnt in ketosis really, it was just low carb.

I’ve did keto, been heavily in ketosis, did modified keto (high protein), did rapid fat loss diet (lbm in protein and nothing else), intermittent fasting + keto, intermittent + carb cycling...used to be 280, dropped to 180, now 212.

I can honestly say intermittent fasting + carb cycling around workouts has been the greatest thing I’ve done as far as still burning fat and gaining muscle. I am leaner than I’ve ever been. Fast for 16 hours, then enjoy myself and can almost eat whatever I want without going too crazy.

Been on T3, gh, and clen. I’ve dropped the clen and currently tapering off the T3. Once I’m off that I will be adding eca 3x daily and more fasted cardio to prevent rebound. If you decide to come off keto, just reintroduce clean carbs slowly. Maybe add eca if you wanted. I believe they say that intermittent fasting will almost put you into ketosis every day once approaching the end of the fast anyways




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Exactly what I am looking for! Can you elaborate on the intermittent fasting / carb cycling? Maybe examples of a few days or a week's worth of your diet?

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Originally Posted by webdev

Keto has always worked great for fat loss for me, but it made me lose drastic progress on my main lifts. I lost over 100lbs on my deadlift when I switched to keto for 3 months. I found that if I ate 20-30g carbs total each day, it would kick me out of ketosis. High protein also kicked me out of ketosis...I wasnt in ketosis really, it was just low carb.

I’ve did keto, been heavily in ketosis, did modified keto (high protein), did rapid fat loss diet (lbm in protein and nothing else), intermittent fasting + keto, intermittent + carb cycling...used to be 280, dropped to 180, now 212.

I can honestly say intermittent fasting + carb cycling around workouts has been the greatest thing I’ve done as far as still burning fat and gaining muscle. I am leaner than I’ve ever been. Fast for 16 hours, then enjoy myself and can almost eat whatever I want without going too crazy.

Been on T3, gh, and clen. I’ve dropped the clen and currently tapering off the T3. Once I’m off that I will be adding eca 3x daily and more fasted cardio to prevent rebound. If you decide to come off keto, just reintroduce clean carbs slowly. Maybe add eca if you wanted. I believe they say that intermittent fasting will almost put you into ketosis every day once approaching the end of the fast anyways




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Hey man I wanted to do an eca run....but where do you get the ephedrine now?


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Originally Posted by RussianBot

Exactly what I am looking for! Can you elaborate on the intermittent fasting / carb cycling? Maybe examples of a few days or a week's worth of your diet?

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I should also note I’m not on cycle, I couldn’t manage to hit 1.5-2g protein while on AND intermittent fasting. Basically I hit 220-250g protein, try to keep my fats low, and low carbs (~100g) on non-training days...I range from 500cal deficit to maintenance, but I’d still be fine eating at maintenance. IF is pretty forgiving.

I think 14 hr fast, 10 hour feed window was a good starting point, a week later moving to 16/8. In that 16 hour fast, drinking coffee, supplements, and bcaas was fine (bcaas + ec + 2iu gh + 20-30min fasted cardio is what I’ve been doing when I wake up). I’ll usually eat oatmeal 30-40g carbs 1hr pre-workout, with a lil bit of pb. Intra carbs 30ish during heavy workouts only. My last meal of the day is usually a very large amount of protein, 50-75g, dairy/red meat/casein. Here just watch this, from this point...then watch the full thing:

John Meadows Speaks on Drugs & Nutrition for Bodybuilding - elitefts.com - YouTube

Then use this as a guideline:
The Leangains Guide | Leangains

And I’ll pm you another link.

Ephedrine is sold at pretty much every pharmacy around here, Bronkaid behind the counter at Walmart, target, hyvee, Walgreens. Think it depends on the state idk

Originally Posted by cyberninja

Hey man I wanted to do an eca run....but where do you get the ephedrine now?


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Advance pharmacy /Flint
A sponcer on these forums had epedra... I saw it and it's cheap

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Originally Posted by WILDGAME

Advance pharmacy /Flint
A sponcer on these forums had epedra... I saw it and it's cheap

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Those who make meth would live to know about this source.

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