You could do humapro from arl industries (I think that's the name) its 0 cal and supposed to be whacko protein. I've got some at home just always forget about it.
I never wanna eat on Sundays anyways. All I want to do is sleep all day long, and play halo.
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A fellow video gamer! ...haha...I dont get to play much any more.Originally Posted by RockShawn
from a recent article on t-nation.... to loose fat it seems either meal approach will work as long as the calories are where they need to be. now to gain a lot of muscle i guess that would depend on if you could get all the calories in a very few meals... might be tough?The myth of "metabolic stoking" through multiple meals every couple of hours has been firmly debunked by science. The research on the topic has grown over the years.
Bellisle et al. found that when measuring 24-hour energy expenditure, there was no difference between frequent small meals or infrequent large meals.
That article deals with metabolic rate.....the purpose of frequent mealing is too keep in a anabolic state (or providing an environment that promotes tissue growth). Also, if you do consume mass meals at one time, it can promote a big "spill over" where you would consume too many at one time (depending on macros ate) and promote fat gains. So, the idea is to minimize catabolic time and keep in a steady growth environement.
I havent read the article, but I would challenge it. As a nutritionist, frequent small meals of high protien and low carb does help in dropping bodyfat. The first thing people notice when they do this, is that they get hungry more often.
Its kind of like a camel in the desert....why does he have that hump? Its because the body responds to inputs. He sees some water and sucks it up, and stores it. Now imagine that same camel in the jungle....what would eventually happen to the hump? It wouldnt be needed becasue he would have all the water he wanted.
Now if I eat 2-3 big ass meals a day consitently, I create a better environment for fat storage, my body responds to inputs. After a while its says "hey I dont know when this sob is gonna feed me again" so I better store some of this. Vice versa, after CONSISTENTLY smaller meals frequently, the body gets used to that. It readily expends more energy because it kniows it will be getting intake every so often (provided the right macros).
Good info right here boys. We gotta some smart mods here Hahahaha jp
jb... i once thought that the multiple meals was the only way, but i have been doing some version of IF for almost 2 years now and the results have been great for my goals (stay lean and/or get leaner and not loose the muscle and strength i have)
but most people are beginning to realize that the frequent meals stoking the metabolism is a myth...and that total calories matter more than when or how many meals they are spread in. there are lots of studies on it.
i would think multiple meals would be the only way to get huge (6000-10,000 cals a day in 2-3 meals ouch) but to maintain a lean appearance and added convenience.. IF is the ticket. but i guess if you could consume that amount of cals in a small window it would still be a good mass gainer (but no experience to back that up)
but in reality what ever works for you (each individual) is the best method for you. same with training... the program that you will do and put tremendous effort and dedication into is probably the best for you as long as it covers the basic movements.
the real magic of any bodybuilding only comes through consistency. old time bodybuilders had great builds with less equipment and information because of hard work and dedication. any of us could know all the tips and tricks to nutrition and training and still get shamed by a guy that just trys harder with less knowledge.
I agree to some extent krustus, notice I said, if the macros where right. Now for your goals and convenience (a big plus), it sounds that IF is a good route. The problem with most people, is they get the macro intake not in favor for them....it sounds to me that you have your macros in check for your body type...i mean the proof is in the pudding. Look at all the bf you dropped!
I COMPLETELY AGREE about the hard work...I remember telling myself when I first started.."Im always going to remember that its about my work ethic" It holds true.
Alot of different routes work, it really boils down to 1) Goals 2) Natural body type/Metabolic rate 3) ...how much gh you use ....HAHAHA joking on #3!
I will say this, I have had many success stories using the frequent intake methods for weight loss clients (usually only three real meals and low carb fillers in between...but like you said, if the work ethic isnt there, neither is the final product.
Now if I do IF and my 1 or 2 meals is HIGH in sat fat, sugary carbs ect....Im gonna say fat loss will be out of the picture, again...the macros must be in check.
I look at calories as what they really are...a unit of measurement, kind of like a "pound". Think about it....If I consume 5000 calories in two meals, but all the calories come from say....broiled tilapia, I obviously wouldnt have the inputs for any fat gain. Now, what if I eat say 1500 calories in two meals (one before bed) and its all from Dairy Queen birthday cake and honey buns, I obviously would gain some fat, or promote it. I am just trying to explain the importance of macros regardless of nutrition method.
Good thread going here.
Metabolic rate is a big factor....remember kids in high school that ate like shit and stayed skinny? or the guy you know who can just look at a french fry and gain 5lbs?
An important point...diets are best customized. I hate to go by a general guideline for a diet....700g carbs for me may may be different for someone else.
I love threads like this, intelligent convo. Good homework Krustus. ...damn I love BOP
(sorry for spelling errors)
Last edited by jdb3; 03-12-2013 at 12:08 AM.
??? Are you making fun of my camel metaphor? lol
...One more thing, I know guys that compete and eat cheesecake, pizza, icecream, slushes from Sonic and stay relatively lean....I wonder what the secret is? hmmmmm.....
don't you hate those guys!...One more thing, I know guys that compete and eat cheesecake, pizza, icecream, slushes from Sonic and stay relatively lean....I wonder what the secret is? hmmmmm.....
this has been a good discussion. and i have noticed with IF that i can eat a little dirtier and stay the same bodyfat and weight.. and to drop weight i have to be more careful about macros (as i could eat 12 donuts almost anytime but 12 chicken breast would be tough.) but i don't need to go low carb or no carb to loose.
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