I'll reach out to a friend who competed a few years back. It would certainly be nice to have a bigger female presence here at the BHOP .
I'll reach out to a friend who competed a few years back. It would certainly be nice to have a bigger female presence here at the BHOP .
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Thanks man.. she called me for my opinion and i said WAIT... let me get ahold of a pro female.. do NOT listen to ANY guy.. lol.. so she is on hold..Originally Posted by Rooroo
So right bro!! This strategy works but need someone experienced to outline... She may be better off with a blocker (nolva) than an AI if she still has ovaries. 99% of her E is coming from them... but my knowledge of how AIs work in females is in relation to cancer treatment... I know females use nolva for 30 days or so before a show to harden up...
Sure hope we get a female to chime in... would be nice to learn more about this...
Thats what i thought! Nolvadex!.. i told her i recommend that but not to take it until i verify....
I need to know dosages too.. i was hoping the lady that posted all that good stuff abt the var would chime in!
Man... over at XL there was a female who had exp with this... wish I could remember the cycle she posted... she was full of great info .... Knew how to run hard gear w/o looking like a drag queen... I think I may be able to find her... she left BB and is a PL now... made the London Oly team...
Dude.. find her!!!
The one and only thing that this board lacks is female input...Everything else is top notch! Sorry nobody has an answer for her!!! Have you tried the Iron Den? I researched some stuff for my wife on there and there is a lot of female input on that board... Not to push another board or anything!
I'd be very leary on having any female run test. Var is the way to go IMO. My fiance is now running 20mg a day (split every 12 hrs) with great results and she could go into NPC figure if she wanted to but she is happy beating up the class in bikini. LOL
This is her before and after just running var at 10mg per day the first run. She is quite a bit bigger and looks even better now.
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5'8" 195 4.5% bf
jluc.... hope this is helpful....
I sent her a PM and got a reply!!! Here is what she said:
"If she is premenopausean AI will do nothing for her. Nolva only for a fertile female. 20 mg a day for6 to 8 weeks . 10mg in the a.m and 10 in the p.m...Taper is good though Ifind that a rebound is inevitable. Keep the diet clean... works best with extracardio."
Just make sure she is aware of the sides... most common are headache and joint pain...
Var would be a good addition... but gotta be careful with UG... I saw back in May (on another board) dude had Var he tested & turned out to be Winny ... I would get a kit and test any Var before giving to a female just to be safe... this was a trusted source... I test all my orals now....
Here is some feedback from a woman who used Nolva....
Nolvadex did indeed speed fat loss from herbuttocks and upper thighs'both of which have a preponderance of estrogenreceptors in women. Paradoxically, however, it also limited her ability to losefat from her abdominal area. Then there were the side effects: loss of breastmass, night sweats and hot flashes, the latter effects due to the chemicalmenopause induced by Nolvadex. Because it effectively blocks estrogen action inwomen, it also increases testosterone activity.
Potential side effects in women:
'Endometrial cancer, or cancer of the uterus
'Excessive blood clotting, which can lead to a stroke
'Birth defects if used during pregnancy
'Ovarian cysts
'Loss of bone density due to lack of estrogen activity
'Cataracts and other eye damage affecting the cornea and retina
'Hot flashes
'Vaginal discharge
'Loss of sex drive
More info:
nolvadex and fat loss:
Nolvadex has estrogenic properties on fat in that it increases lipolisis (fatmobilization). To quote from a couple of studies:
"Tamoxifen, a nonsteroidal antiestrogenic antitumor agent, has weakestrogen-like effects on lipid metabolism, however, the mechanism remainsunknown. We previously reported that tamoxifen decreases the activity oflipoprotein lipase (LPL), a key enzyme in triglyceride metabolism, in patientswith breast cancer." (1)
"Treatment of ovariectomized rats with the nonsteroidal antiestrogentamoxifen mimicked the effects of estradiol and caused significant decreases infood intake and body weight. The decreases in body weight were reflected mainlyin a decreased body fat content" (2)
So by acting as an estrogen, it increases lipolysis. This means more fattyacids are released into the blood stream to serve as a POTENTIAL fuel source.Does this mean it causes people to lose weight? Not necessarily. There is aperception that the opposite occurs, but studies have shown this not be thecase. Tamoxifen has no significant effect on weight. To quote from yet anotherstudy:
"The purpose of this research study was to determine if weight gain isassociated with tamoxifen therapy and to observe the impact of weight gain onrecurrence and survival. Prognostic indicators, changes in weight, and diseasestatus from diagnosis to the end of treatment were studied in 200 consecutiveStage I and II breast cancer patients, not receiving systemic chemotherapy,admitted from 1986 to the present, with observation periods ranging from 3-5years. A mean weight gain of 1.2 Kgs was seen in all patients; however, weightgain was not significantly different for those receiving tamoxifen vs. thosenot receiving tamoxifen, (P = 0.66, CI 95% for the difference -1.8 Kgs to +1.2Kgs)." (3)
It is interesting to speculate why if nolvadex increases lipolysis it does notlead to weight loss. One possibility is that the subjects, cancer patients,aren't exercising to take advantage of the mobilized fat. The other possibilityis that since nolvadex lowers GH and IGF-1, a reduction in those hormonesblunts any potential weight loss.
The fact that Nolvadex increases lipolysis so much is actually a seriousproblem. The blood stream is flooded with fatty acids that can causehyperlipidemia. This can cause cardiovascular problems, pancreatitis, fattyliver, and a general accumulation of fat around the organs.
This suggests to me that if you intend to use nolvadex you should have a lowfat, high fiber diet to lower the blood lipids, and get plenty of exercise toburn all the fat the nolvadex has mobilized for you. I agree with Dan Duchainethat nolva CAN cause fat loss if you take full advantage of its potential.
References
(1) Horm Res 2000;53(1):36-9
Tamoxifen inhibits lipoprotein activity: in vivo and in vitro studies.
Hozumi Y, Kawano M, Hakamata Y, Miyata M, Jordan VC.
(2) Am J Physiol 1993 Jun;264(6 Pt 2):R1219-
Tamoxifen mimics the effects of estradiol on food intake, body weight, and bodycomposition in rats.
Wade GN, Heller HW.
(3) Breast Cancer Res Treat 1997 Jun;44(2):135-
Weight gain associated with adjuvant tamoxifen therapy in stage I and II breastcancer: fact or artifact?
Kumar NB, Allen K, Cantor A, Cox CE, Greenberg H, Shah S, Lyman GH.
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