bad var and primo experience - deca/npp, mast, tbol?

**Iur_Surla** · 02-23-2018, 04:48 PM

Hello fellow ladies,
Im looking for personal experiences with deca, npp, masteron and tbol.
First of: I have read the sticky threads and I know the risks of taking steroids.
Im not completly new to steroids, I have done 3 cycles so far:

(1) First cycle I did was with Anavar (as usual for girls). I guess I have had very low quality Var,
nothing happened even when I went up to 25mg ed :-) So I stopped the cycle and I was disappointed lol and I paid like 100 euros for the bottle shame on me. It was so not worth the price.

(2) Then I tried out primo (ulab primo depot). I have to say this was a horrible experience.
I have taken 100mg e7d and in the second week ladies I felt my voice was getting rough and deeper. My moma told me on the phone to see a doctor bc she thought I was very sick with the flu (lol). And I didnt even gain crazy strength. I was just sweating like crazy and jesus my sweat smelt like crazy man sweat;-(
I made some gains on it tho, but stopped after the fourth week because of my voice.
By the way it went back to normal 1 month after. My lady part swell also but that went back too.

(3) After the primo-accident (thats how I call it) I told myself to stay away from the gear.
And I made some progress without taking anything the next 3 months.
Reading this forum here made me realize there is more stuff for females then just Var and primo (like my gym dealer said). I also got more careful with the labs Im buying from.
So I got myself some deca durabolin from organon. Ladies I have to say this cycle with the pharma deca was the best thing I have done so far. ZERO sides with 75mg e7d, later I went up to 100mg. I was on it for 8 weeks. It doesnt give your the gear-look but it has added some flesh to me without damaging me that was cool.

I need to know if any girl here has experience with masteron and tbol. And which labs are good for them.

**Bombarinos** · 02-23-2018, 05:19 PM

Looks like u might not have got the compounds you thought you were takin primo and var sad to say are highly faked cause cost of raws chose your source wisely test your product before you do them

**babybull34** · 02-23-2018, 05:51 PM

First, Iur, welcome to BOP. Second, I completely agree with Bomb that you more than likely got low-dose Test not Primo and the Var was definitely bunk.

**Iur_Surla** · 02-23-2018, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bombarinos

Looks like u might not have got the compounds you thought you were takin primo and var sad to say are highly faked cause cost of raws chose your source wisely test your product before you do them

Originally Posted by babybull34

First, Iur, welcome to BOP. Second, I completely agree with Bomb that you more than likely got low-dose Test not Primo and the Var was definitely bunk.

Agreed. Im a bit scared by these fake gear I had, so testing is needed if I ever use these compounds again.
So y'all recommend trying 'good' var and primo before trying anything else?

I know females who are running Var from time to time and they have only very few gains. They had more cycles (of anavar) then me and they are smaller. Is Anavar so weak?

What do you guys think about mast en/prop or tbol? Those are cheaper and more likely not fake (I guess)? Or maybe Im too enthusiastic because my last deca cycle was so good?

**babybull34** · 02-23-2018, 07:36 PM

Var is a very subtle compound. It is more of a marathon than a sprint type of compound as far as the LM it puts on, Primo is like this too, but Var is incredible for strength.

You don't have to worry about fake gear with BOP sponsors, we have the best here.

As far as prop, I would be wary of suggesting Test for females but I know it is done.

Let's see if AngieNY or MilleniumGirl chimes in here. They will be able to give you proper feedback from a female perspective. Mast is a DHT, so an androgen, which will have virilization symptoms.

**Iur_Surla** · 02-23-2018, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by babybull34

Var is a very subtle compound. It is more of a marathon than a sprint type of compound as far as the LM it puts on, Primo is like this too, but Var is incredible for strength.
You don't have to worry about fake gear with BOP sponsors, we have the best here.

Yes thanks, I will look around :-D. I had the var and the primo from a local gym dude, very naive :-( I dont even know if I should tell the other girls what I have experienced with his stuff. Or maybe they are getting the good stuff from their boyfriends.

Originally Posted by babybull34

As far as prop, I would be wary of suggesting Test for females but I know it is done.

Yes, I meant masteron enanthat or propionat, never test itself :-)

Originally Posted by babybull34

Let's see if AngieNY or MilleniumGirl chimes in here. They will be able to give you proper feedback from a female perspective. Mast is a DHT, so an androgen, which will have virilization symptoms.

Yes, hopefully they will write something. I want to know what strength and muscle development can be expected from using them.

Lets say a female is using Var regular dose (10mg) for 8 weeks. If she like f.e. did shoulder press with 20kg dumbbells before. How much will she move in the last weeks? If she was 70kg before, how much will she weigh at the end (without dieting ofc)?
And how would thing be if she uses masteron or tbol or npp?

**Weapon X** · 02-23-2018, 10:09 PM

Anavar is not something you’re going to see noticeable gains with specially with lower doses. Much better for strength

**Bombarinos** · 02-24-2018, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Iur_Surla

Agreed. Im a bit scared by these fake gear I had, so testing is needed if I ever use these compounds again.
So y'all recommend trying 'good' var and primo before trying anything else?

I know females who are running Var from time to time and they have only very few gains. They had more cycles (of anavar) then me and they are smaller. Is Anavar so weak?

What do you guys think about mast en/prop or tbol? Those are cheaper and more likely not fake (I guess)? Or maybe Im too enthusiastic because my last deca cycle was so good?

Onlybreason i said this babybull and lur mybbuddy got his girl var her ankles swelled up joints hurt after 3 days felt sick she was only taking 10 mg a day he did reagent it was dbol so also ya thats why ibget nervous very picky buying primo myself paying 120$ for 100 mg of enathate isnt cool more fact if you giving it to a women there is a issue test your prods ladies or do homework on source before fucked up but has to be done

**Iur_Surla** · 02-24-2018, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Weapon X

Anavar is not something you’re going to see noticeable gains with specially with lower doses. Much better for strength

Ok. So with a moderate dose of var it is common to have almost no sides or a very few but strength. How much stronger can a woman get on a moderate dose in the middle of the cycle? I want to know, bc with deca my strength went through the roof already in the first week. In the middle of the cycle I was moving almost the double of the weight I moved before for like over 12 reps lol.

Originally Posted by Bombarinos

Onlybreason i said this babybull and lur mybbuddy got his girl var her ankles swelled up joints hurt after 3 days felt sick she was only taking 10 mg a day he did reagent it was dbol so also ya thats why ibget nervous very picky buying primo myself paying 120$ for 100 mg of enathate isnt cool more fact if you giving it to a women there is a issue test your prods ladies or do homework on source before fucked up but has to be done

Yes thats why I was thinking about other things like mast, tbol and deca/npp. I thought deca is going to be a risk but it turned out to be very nice. I have read in this forum about a girl having hairloss from 10mg 'real' var wtf (even on my fake primo cycle where I had androgen sides I had zero hairloss).

I just want to know how good/effective anavar really is compared to other stuff.

Another question. What have females like these 80s women in this video taken? Was Anavar common these days?

**AngieNY** · 02-24-2018, 10:10 AM

Welcome to BOP....

What are you goals??

I wouldn’t venture into any test based compound like mast unless your looking for your pro card for physique... then I would stay away from the androgens. Especially since you already had sides from stepped on gear. If those are your quads in your avatar then i’d stick to whatever you were using lol

EQ is a great compound, it’s hard to find EQ under 250mg... so I would venture into a short ester like NPP 25mg E3D.

I have mentioned in my last cycle that I lost hair in the shower, I don’t know if it was my post you read but I was running primo and winstrol with the var. It was a 16 week cycle and I know I stayed on the var too long so yes, I lost hair... not in huge clumps where I went bald just a lot more hair than normal in the shower.

Shame you never got legit var. it’s an amazing compound when it’s legit.