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    Thread: hCG during cycle - The Proper use of hCG

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      HCG should be added on 2x500iu per week from the FIRST week of your cycle till the SECOND week of your PCT. So the first week of pct you still run HCG. This is because most guys start pct 2 weeks after the last pin. But theres still some aas left the 3rd week when you start PCT. Thats why u should run it till 2nd week of PCT.

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      Thanks for the advice

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      What about the argument that says even if you take hcg, whatever anabolics you’re taking will still shut you down, thus making hcg while on cycle a waste of time?

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      Can this method be used like this while on HRT?

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      I have a question gentlemen if y'all could help me out with it please.
      On a slin dart measured in units , how many units is 250 iu = to ?

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      It is 25 lines on a 100iu pen, between 20-30 mark on a insulin syringe. You can inject it 2 inch's out around your belly button.....Ghostprofit
      Quote Originally Posted by FishWhisperer1972 View Post
      I have a question gentlemen if y'all could help me out with it please.
      On a slin dart measured in units , how many units is 250 iu = to ?

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      So I'm back on BOP..A lot to touch on here!!

      Many in the TRT community will know that HCG has its place in TRT for the treatment of hypogonadism. How so, Well, hcg is comprised of a alpha and beta subunit (a & b, respectively). Luteinising hormone (LH) and hcg share an identical a-subunit, though the b differs- it can potentially attach to Follicle Hormone FSH) receptor. Under normal eugondal conditions, the hypothalamus of your brain will secrete Gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). GnRH then stimulates the anterior portion of the pituitary gland in the brain to produce LH and FSH, which then stimulates the Leydig cells of the tests, via the LH and FSH receptors, to ultimately produce Oestrogen and Testosterone.. They of course play a large role in spermatogenesis too. Testosterone and Oestrogen are detected at the pituitary gland and hypothalamus in a negative feedback loop, making it reduce the output of GnRH and LH and FSH. FSH primarily stimulates the Sertoli cells of the tests, which produce inhibin and inhibit the pituitary gland from producing FSH.

      I agree with some of the posts in this thread. I think the HPTA feedback system is probably easier to understand when you know how it works. I'll be back posting,so maybe I can help..................Ghostprofit

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      Quote Originally Posted by rmkicks View Post


      For any cycle longer than 6 weeks, you need to get your hands on some hCG and use it during the cycle. A small dose will keep the testes running as normal during cycle, so they can jump back on track when the cycle is over. Plus, when you use hCG during the cycle, you don't need to use it for PCT. On-cycle hCG forces your testes to continue producing testosterone as they normally would. The trick with on-cycle hCG use is to avoid using too much, too frequently (which can also desensitize your testes the same as not using any at all!). It’s important to use just enough to stimulate the testes to produce the same amount of testosterone they would normally. Check out the simple hCG dosing guidelines -
      hCG Dosing Guidelines- Human Chorionic Gonadotropin -
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      hCG on-cycle- Preferred method -
      hCG during last 2 weeks or after the cycle- only if hCG was NOT used during cycle -
      1-6 week cycle
      No hCG needed
      No hCG needed
      8 week cycle
      250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
      One 1000iu shot per week for 2 weeks with AI† taken daily
      12 week cycle
      250iu every 4 days* from week 3-12
      One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI† taken daily
      16 week cycle
      250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8Take a 2 week break250iu every 4 days* from week 11-16
      One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI† taken daily
      * Every 4 days = Shoot on Monday, then on Friday, then on Tuesday, ect.
      † AI - Aromatase Inhibitor (While taking 1000iu shots, I recommend 10mg/ED of Aromasin or .5mg/ED Arimidex to keep estrogen in control. Discontinue 4 days after last hCG shot.)
      If you are doing the on-cycle hCG protocol it is important to discontinue hCG 2 weeks prior to AAS clearance. Therefore, when you officially start PCT you will be clean of all AAS's and will be 14 days from your last hCG shot. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production as soon as the steroids and hCG clear the system. This is another reason why on-cycle hCG is superior, because it allows you to start recovering as soon as PCT begins.
      If you aren't doing hCG on-cycle, then use hCG according to the "last 2 weeks or after the cycle" guidelines, and start it 4-5 weeks before the AAS's are expected to clear the system (Or as soon as possible if you are already past this point).

      Improper use of hCG
      Using hCG after the cycle is the least effective way to use hCG.You see, when you're on steroids, your brain cuts off the signal to the testes, and your testes stop producing testosterone. Once this happens, your testes shutdown, start to shrink, and become unresponsive to stimulation from the brain (essentially, the testes become desensitized). This is the reason why alot of guys never recover from a steroid cycle even after using tons of hCG and SERM's -- because the testes have stayed inactive for too long and have become permanently desensitized. Here are a list of problems you can have from waiting untill the end of a cycle to use hCG -
      • High Possibility of Permanent Testicular Damage/Desensitization
      • Higher hCG Dose Requirement
      • Higher Conversion Rate to Estrogen

      For a fast and quick recovery of testosterone production after a cycle, you must avoid the long-periods of suppression. Once your testes go unused for too long, it is virtually impossible to get them to come back full strength, no matter how much hCG you take.

      Im not saying your wrong at all or being argumentative. Nice post as well. I've heard a few conflicting things on using hcg during cycle. I heard its best to not use hcg during cycle. As hcg tells your body to start using your testys again. If your on testosterone its telling your testicles to take 10. Then being on hcg during is telling them too turn on? Ive heard Seth feroce, loyd, piana and lee priest talk about that. I'm not being argumentative at all. I've heard for pregnancy protocol to blast hcg, hmg and clomid. Im not trying to sound like a know it all whatsoever. Im prescribed testosterone. My dr doesn't have me on hcg. But my gf is pregnant. But took awhile. Im wondering if i should start taking hcg or hmg during to prevent anything. Nice read. Thank you for the info

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      In response to LH, the tests don't just produce testosterone, they also produce and secrete other hormones. That includes Progesterone, DHEA, Androstenedione, Pregnenolone, and more.
      These are all hormones which are also important for other functions in your body. Unfortunately, Testosterone monotherapy has a negative feedback to both hypothalamus and pituitary, causing suppression of these normal signaling mechanisms. LH and FSH are no longer produced, and so HCG is prescribed in their absence!!
      Why should you care though if you're on AAS's-TRT and don't care to have kids? SIMPLE, because those other hormones are pretty damn important. Yes, your adrenal galnds make them,but not nearly as much as the tests.......Ghostprofit
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      Im not saying your wrong at all or being argumentative. Nice post as well. I've heard a few conflicting things on using hcg during cycle. I heard its best to not use hcg during cycle. As hcg tells your body to start using your testys again. If your on testosterone its telling your testicles to take 10. Then being on hcg during is telling them too turn on? Ive heard Seth feroce, loyd, piana and lee priest talk about that. I'm not being argumentative at all. I've heard for pregnancy protocol to blast hcg, hmg and clomid. Im not trying to sound like a know it all whatsoever. Im prescribed testosterone. My dr doesn't have me on hcg. But my gf is pregnant. But took awhile. Im wondering if i should start taking hcg or hmg during to prevent anything. Nice read. Thank you for the info

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zapzap View Post
      HCG should be added on 2x500iu per week from the FIRST week of your cycle till the SECOND week of your PCT. So the first week of pct you still run HCG. This is because most guys start pct 2 weeks after the last pin. But theres still some aas left the 3rd week when you start PCT. Thats why u should run it till 2nd week of PCT.
      Its important that you discontinue the Hcg before you start PCT so your Leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitivity to your body's own LH production. To further help enhance testicular sensitivity,( the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used).

      At the end of your cycle, drop the Hcg two weeks before the AAS dose clear the system For example, you would drop Hcg about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending your cycle with 'Orals', you would drop Hcg about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin until you are off Hcg since your body will not release its Own LH until the Hcg cleared the system...​........Ghostprofit

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