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      hCG during cycle - The Proper use of hCG



      For any cycle longer than 6 weeks, you need to get your hands on some hCG and use it during the cycle. A small dose will keep the testes running as normal during cycle, so they can jump back on track when the cycle is over. Plus, when you use hCG during the cycle, you don't need to use it for PCT. On-cycle hCG forces your testes to continue producing testosterone as they normally would. The trick with on-cycle hCG use is to avoid using too much, too frequently (which can also desensitize your testes the same as not using any at all!). It’s important to use just enough to stimulate the testes to produce the same amount of testosterone they would normally. Check out the simple hCG dosing guidelines -
      hCG Dosing Guidelines- Human Chorionic Gonadotropin -
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      hCG on-cycle- Preferred method -
      hCG during last 2 weeks or after the cycle- only if hCG was NOT used during cycle -
      1-6 week cycle
      No hCG needed
      No hCG needed
      8 week cycle
      250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
      One 1000iu shot per week for 2 weeks with AI† taken daily
      12 week cycle
      250iu every 4 days* from week 3-12
      One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI† taken daily
      16 week cycle
      250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8Take a 2 week break250iu every 4 days* from week 11-16
      One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI† taken daily
      * Every 4 days = Shoot on Monday, then on Friday, then on Tuesday, ect.
      † AI - Aromatase Inhibitor (While taking 1000iu shots, I recommend 10mg/ED of Aromasin or .5mg/ED Arimidex to keep estrogen in control. Discontinue 4 days after last hCG shot.)
      If you are doing the on-cycle hCG protocol it is important to discontinue hCG 2 weeks prior to AAS clearance. Therefore, when you officially start PCT you will be clean of all AAS's and will be 14 days from your last hCG shot. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production as soon as the steroids and hCG clear the system. This is another reason why on-cycle hCG is superior, because it allows you to start recovering as soon as PCT begins.
      If you aren't doing hCG on-cycle, then use hCG according to the "last 2 weeks or after the cycle" guidelines, and start it 4-5 weeks before the AAS's are expected to clear the system (Or as soon as possible if you are already past this point).

      Improper use of hCG
      Using hCG after the cycle is the least effective way to use hCG.You see, when you're on steroids, your brain cuts off the signal to the testes, and your testes stop producing testosterone. Once this happens, your testes shutdown, start to shrink, and become unresponsive to stimulation from the brain (essentially, the testes become desensitized). This is the reason why alot of guys never recover from a steroid cycle even after using tons of hCG and SERM's -- because the testes have stayed inactive for too long and have become permanently desensitized. Here are a list of problems you can have from waiting untill the end of a cycle to use hCG -
      • High Possibility of Permanent Testicular Damage/Desensitization
      • Higher hCG Dose Requirement
      • Higher Conversion Rate to Estrogen

      For a fast and quick recovery of testosterone production after a cycle, you must avoid the long-periods of suppression. Once your testes go unused for too long, it is virtually impossible to get them to come back full strength, no matter how much hCG you take.


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      Ive been on trt for 4yrs blasting along the way.Doc has had me on 50mgs of clomy eod from the gate.My question is this.At this point would running hcg even make a differance?

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      Great post I have been searching for something like this. Thanks for the info.

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      hCG during cycle - The Proper use of hCG

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      Ive been on trt for 4yrs blasting along the way.Doc has had me on 50mgs of clomy eod from the gate.My question is this.At this point would running hcg even make a differance?
      The only way to find out would be to try and see if it stimulates the ledig cells but I would say yes
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      Very soon after exogenous test is introduced to the system the leutenizing hormone suppresses (along with FSH for sperm) - within days in fact. Since HCG does not work on a 1/2 life as does test )(injected IM, it peaks in the blood in abut 6 hrs., then clears the system in about 35 hrs.) I suggest dosing of 500IU every three days to simulate the normal, pulastile release from the pituitary. Stay on until the test clears the system, assisting a "soft landing". The AI of anastrozole has a 1/2 life of about 54 hrs and one should remain on it, then phase off, as Estradiol will rebound after the third day after having been suppressed; for about 4 weeks.

      None of these should be a "one size fits all" with Estradiol being tested once per month at least as everyone metabolizes each of these meds differently...

      Running hcg while on, and for 4 weeks after may be more natural. And yes, high doses of hcg may permanently desensitize the Leydig cells - the ones that give the testes the marching orders...

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      I started doing 500iu once a week and haven't noticed any testicular size changes...ive considered upping to 750iu reasoning being not to become desensitized to the hcg also

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      Hey guys, need some additional guidance on hCG use. Currently in my 6th week of a 12 week cycle of the following:

      1. Test Eth 500mg a week
      2. Masterone 600mg a week
      3. EQ Bold 600mg a week
      4. Primobolin 600mg a week
      5. Winny was taken at 60mg a week for the first 6 weeks
      6. Aromasin 30mg a day, taking 10 in the AM, 10 at lunch, 10 at night

      Nova and Clomid are on hand for down the road when PCT is started. This cycle has been going well so far. Have gained about 8 pounds since the start with most likely no change in body fat (which is a little too high right now anyway). This is one of the reasons those compounds were chosen, to minimize any additional body fat during my cycle. Once I'm done with this AAS cycle, will be going into a strict cutting cycle and continued clean diet.

      Ordered some hCG and it should be here in a day or two. Should have been running it from the start, but learning as I go. Will do as RM and Kubes recommends because it just makes good sense. Anyways, since I'm bringing hCG into my cycle in the 7th week which is in the middle of those two guidelines on the posted charts above, was just hoping you guys could give some specific guidance as to how much, how often, and how long to start taking the hCG for my particular cycle.

      Also, been using the 3cc syringe for all pinning, which works out just fine. When it comes to hCG and future HGH, is it best to switch to a 1cc insulin syringe for more accurate markings and dosing? Thanks again.

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      Looking at RM's chart again, guess I'm okay to just start bringing the hCG on board since I'm not even into my 8th week. Must have missed this during my first look. Well, any additional thoughts from you brothers are appreciated.

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      I have started doin 500iu twice wk..tue and friday ..its been working great...

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      Hey xmuscle - what are you pinning it with, the regular 3cc syringe or a 1cc insulin syringe? I'm assuming your doing SubQ shots, is that correct?

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