25mg MK677 bloodwork FAQ = 4iu pharm grade HGH (used 25mg mk677 for 6 months out of the year for 5 years straight with 7 bloodworks)
Smont said:
There is no amount of mk that will make it comparable to gh because they don't do the same thing. They have a few things in common but more things that make them completely different.
I've taken 25mg MK66 powder in morning with coffee for 6 months out of the year, for 5 years now, and I've taken at least 7 blood works over the years (cost me nothing as it goes on my pre-loaded $1800 medical card), MK677 is highly effective for 8 months, when it then starts to dip a bit from the peak, it only looses slight effectiveness at that point as it is a derivative of GHRP-6. At that point (6 months, a little bit sooner than 8 months) is when I go off. I will then switch to peptides (remain effective indefinitely, but expensive) at that point for the next 6 months.
1) Smont is correct in that it will not help you loose fat like HGH, BUT it has just as great if not greater nitrogen retention as 4iu of HGH, you can fast for long periods like I do (I eat in an 8 hour window, on a keto diet, and fast from 3pm till 7am next morning with cardio during the fast to maintain my 220lbs at 12% body fat), and never loose any muscle...just keeps piling on week after week). I also notice a 25 to 35% increase in strength over the many months I use it, compared to placebo, or the months I have not used it at all (no mk677, no peptides, nada). The studies on older folks also showed a 25% increase in strength in all leg press exercises in those who used it as well as compared to non-users.
I actually went back on the mk677 at 25mg several days ago, gonna use for at least 6 months (July 2022 till end of January 2023)....will go back on the peptides after a long 6 month mk677 run.
I alternate the two every 6 months so the mk677 stays 100% effective, go on the peptides for 6 months, then back on mk677...mk677 never loses any effectiveness this way. The peptides I use (100mcg mod grf 1-29 + 100mcg ipamorelin) x 3 times a day never loose effectiveness. I take one shot in morning, one before or after workout (before cardio on non workout days) and one shot before bed. Peptides can be used for life and never loose any effectiveness as this combo is NOT a derivative of GHRP-6. MK677 is dirt cheap compared to the peptides (around 120 a month for x 3 times a day for 30 days, and gives me very similar levels to the mk677)...I always save big time money on the 6 months I am on MK677 compared to the peptides.
mase 1 said:
I notice great muscle fullness on mk677. Do you notice a difference with ghrp/ipamorelin in regards to comparing muscle fullness?
Yes, there is muscle fullness on the peptides, but the fullness on mk677 is even greater, like a dianabol feeling, super great nitrogen retention too. Really great mk677 pumps, very full indeed. The mk677 gives me the HGH of 4.0iu, I've done bloodwork on both mk677 and 4iu of pharm grade HGH, both the same.
Benefits of MK677 I've noticed: 1) releases your own natural stored up HGH in your brain that you still make plenty of when you are older, but due to the body programming the body for death as you get older, it does not release these huge stored up amounts anymore...MK677 puts the breaks on somatostatin so that these youthful levels of HGH can be released. Unlike HGH, MK677 is way less expensive, and you never have to worry about your body's natural production of HGH being shut down or diminished for very long periods of time which has been shown to happen if you take HGH daily for year or more straight. Even the brain's natural production of HGH has been shown to NOT HAPPEN if you take HGH during morning hours, studies show the night time HGH pulses are still suppressed. 2) great nootropic effect on the brain = improved mood 3) great sleep with longer time in REM sleep, better muscle building during sleep 4) better energy all day. 5) Skin looks younger due to greater collagen production, 6) recover quicker from workouts, injuries and minor cuts 6) increased lubrication of joints in gym due to same collagen increase 7) nails and hair grow very fast. No lethargy at all for me, zero. 8) truly do feel like an 18 year old on it. Best nootropic imho.
I'm on a year round keto diet, so the water retention in the face is very minimal, and goes away completely along with the minor hunger pains after 2 to 3 weeks. Then it's smooth sailing. Mk677 sends my igf-1 from 225 to 370 or so igf-1.
Daily 25mg takes me to the HGH output of a gifted 18 year old.
Update: 2 days after being on 25mg a day mk677, feel great! crystal clear clarity in the brain, zero brain fog, feel great pump all day, increased endurance in gym and cardio on off day, really great mood, mega pumps during workout, great sleep, love the stuff! Will use from June 23, 2022 till end of December 2022 (6 months). ---------------------------------------------- 25mg MK677 bloodwork FAQ = 4iu pharm grade HGH (used 25mg mk677 for 6 months out of the year for 5 years straight with 7 bloodworks)
Year 2018: ---------- pic 1) 4-6-2018, baseline igf -1 = 227 ng/ml------------------------------------------baseline [227, high] (age 48, ref is 67 to 205 ng/mL) pic 2) 4-11-2018, 2 days on 4iu of Chinese pharm grade gh = 380 ng/ml----increase of 153 points washout period of 2 weeks off HGH pic 3) 4-25-2018, 2 weeks on mk677 only = 372 ng/ml----------------------------increase of 145 points pic 4) 9-7-2018, 6 months on mk677 only = 322 ng/ml----------------------------increase of 95 points pic 5) 11-2-18, 8 months on mk677 only = 304 ng/ml--------------------------------------increase of 75 points
Start of new year 2019: ------------------------ pic 6) 3-18-19, 4 weeks on mk677 only = 327 ng/ml-------------------------------------increase of 100 points, (2-22-19 thru 3-18-19)
Start of new year 2020: ------------------------- pic 7) 2-3-2020, 2nd baseline igf-1 reading = 229 ng/ml-----------------------------------baseline [229, high] (age 50, ref is 67 to 205 ng/ml)
Notice how using MK677 for many years, did nothing to hurt my normal IGF-1, it read completely normal when I came off it for several weeks.
372 ng/ml igf-1 is equivalent to 4.0 iu pharm grade GH from China, as 95 point raise per each 1iu of hgh for me (2 weeks) 322 ng/ml igf-1 is equivalent to 3.4 iu pharm grade GH from China, as 95 point raise per each 1iu of hgh for me (6 months) 304 ng/ml igf-1 is equivalent of 3.2 iu pharm grade GH from China, as 95 point raise per each 1iu of hgh for me (8 months) 327 ng/ml igf-1 is equivalent of 3.5 iu pharm grade GH from China, as 95 point raise per each 1iu of hgh for me (4 weeks)
So, in conclusion, being on mk677 for 2 weeks is similar to being on 4iu of Chinese pharm grade GH, for me anyhow, as the bloodtest proves it. Being on mk677 for 6 months is similar to being on 3.4iu of Chinese pharm grade GH. The Chinese pharm grade HGH I used was Supertropin (used in China to treat dwarfism).
This is an incredible raise in igf-1 for my current age of 52 as reference is 67-205 for my age group, and the mk677 for 2 weeks brought me beyond the high range for a young adult in their early 20's.
I couldn't be happier, this helps explain the increases in strength at the gym, as well as the fast recovery from workouts. Cardio on off days is a breeze. Not to mention mega pumps in the gym, a feeling of fullness all day in muscles, nootropic effects on brain of improved mood for me, enhanced energy all day, great sleep, zero lethargy for me everyday using it (I'm lucky in that aspect). I've even had rare days of less sleep due to schedule, and I still felt like a million bucks the next day being on mk677 as it gives you such great sleep with pleasant enhanced dreams many nights. As I am on a keto diet year round, there is minimal water retention in the face, both the minimal retention of water in face and hunger pains die down to zero after around 2 weeks on it, then it is smooth sailing.
I've continued to take bloodwork every few months, and this 372 igf-1 then falls to around 325 igf-1 (equivalent to 3.4iu HGH) for the rest of the 8 months, still remaining at 325 by the 7 month, when it starts to fall slightly to 300 around month 8, but I get off after 6 months, as that is how long it remains 100% effective without dipping at all from the peak (6 to 7 months it reamains 100% effective). I've taken blookwork every 1 of the 4 years I have used it....my baseline was at 225 the 2nd year I took it (after being off mk677 for several weeks)...it once again took me to the exact same high levels of 4iu pharm grade HGH year after year, each of the 4 years, remains 100% effective year after year, and your baseline never changes from normal.
--> The reason for the fall from 372 to 325 igf-1 is due to a "feedback loop" the body puts in place after being on mk677 for 3 weeks, in order to keep the levels from raising to high, the body will only maintain it at the HGH of around an 18 year old max.
My only concern is that maybe around 25% of people (like myself) never experience any lethargy on MK67, zero lethargy...however from the reviews I have read the other 75% of people do experience lethargy on it, in which case I would recommend NOT using it, it's just not worth it if it makes you tired. Find something else to use like peptides or HGH then.
MK677 should bring you to the high level of a young adult if you are already at the high end for an older adult. Older folks (59-225ug/L) young adult (116-358 ug/L)
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