Thread: My take on hgh and insulin

Iv never taken either one myself but I have been around it plenty and have done a lot of research it's just something I haven't felt the need to take so with that being said this is just my opinion on them both if any brothers want to add onto or clear something up please do so I'm defiantly no expert and this is all about learning so here it goes ]So I'll start with hgh, first off it's muscle building effects aren't direct what i mean by that is when you take it, it will trigger igf release by the liver which is what's responsible for muscle hyperplasia, it does however have a direct effect on fat mobilization. Dan duchaine said that between 10 and 12 iu is what a bodybuilder needs i think this is fine but if it were me I would take no more then 5 or 6 iu I think that's the most the body can use because only so much igf can be made by the liver at one time the extra iu recommended by duchaine I'm sure helps with fat loss but you will get fluid retention and more side effects. So now onto insulin, what most people do is guess how many carbs they will need for how many iu they take normally it's 10 grams per 1 iu however, most people take 10 iu of insulin and then are cramming sugar down their throat to try from going hypo in my opinion if you feel hypo then you're doing it wrong you should never feel sick or hypo while taking insulin I will never tell someone exactly how much to take because it's dependent on the person but if it were me I would take normal carb sources such as brown rice and potato and very tiny amounts of insulin because also don't forget you don't know at what point you're body stops making its own insulin so if you take 10 iu and then you're body also produces some you will go hypo and find you're self sitting over a bowl of sugar, combining "low" dose hgh with "low" dose insulin and carbs along with gear is what I think will work best

Your last sentence is on track. But a little more understanding from first hand use -

The higher the hgh, the more muscle building effect imo. 2-4iu can do wonders for fat loss and nutrient partitioning. 4-6iu is a good sweet spot to add some of the muscle building effects. 8iu would be minimum to truly see drastic muscle changes imo. However, its not like aas where you wait a week and the shit hits, its a 2, 3, 4+ month comitment.

Insulin, you were on the right track with complex carbs. Think about it, you take a complex carb an hour before insulin administration, those carbs are still being processed when the action hits, so yourr good for action. Sipping a hbcd shake for the next hour and a half covers everything leading to the peak of log. 2 hours in, get a mix of complex to last the rest of the action, and simple to sustain the peak. Boom, dont need no fkkin 10g per 1iu unless youre insulin sensitive as SHIT. what ive found also works really well is adding 10+g of glutaminr to the action time. Really helps regulate blood glucose levels.

Now take it a step further, igf. Igf is the result of insulin and hgh activity in the liver. Time your hgh and insulin peaks together surrounding your "anabolic window" (ie dose preworkout) and congrats, youve maxed your igf spike when your muscles are completely soaking up nutrition for recovery.

Low dose gh and infrequent, fast action, low dose insulin is the key to a successful off season imo

That's good stuff brother

Great info above ^

I have only used slin with ghrp/ghrh's can't wait to try the real slin/GH combo

most people take 10 iu of insulin and then are cramming sugar down their throat to try from going hypo in my opinion if you feel hypo then you're doing it wrong you should never feel sick or hypo while taking insulin

Most people?! i really hope thats not true. I have used it many times mostly at 10-12iu never gone higher than 15iu. Only went hypo once cause GF wanted sex inside my slin window and after my workout (before i told her bout shit) but was no prob had sugar on hand after i finished. I always have enough carbs already in me before i pin
Id never use slin without being on gear, definitely not taking anywhere near the full advantage of it.

Originally Posted by danabol

I have only used slin with ghrp/ghrh's can't wait to try the real slin/GH combo

Most people?! i really hope thats not true. I have used it many times mostly at 10-12iu never gone higher than 15iu. Only went hypo once cause GF wanted sex inside my slin window and after my workout (before i told her bout shit) but was no prob had sugar on hand after i finished. I always have enough carbs already in me before i pin
Id never use slin without being on gear, definitely not taking anywhere near the full advantage of it.

Agreed. I just started pre and post workout humalog 4x a week. Majority of my carbs come from oats, sweet potatos, and rice. The only "sugary" carbs in there are hbcd (for obvious intraworkout reasons), and 100g of lucky charms POST WORKOUT (when the first application of humalog is peaking) and I do my post shot with that. Being smart with your blood glucose levels is what keeps you from getting fat.

Slin is a good excuse to have my fav sugar drinks and candy (long as no fat) I find the more gear u use with slin the more sloppy u can be with extra carbs. I have jelly beans stashed around the place, my car, my room, with gym stuff etc. Be safe slin can be killa

Originally Posted by danabol

Slin is a good excuse to have my fav sugar drinks and candy (long as no fat) I find the more gear u use with slin the more sloppy u can be with extra carbs. I have jelly beans stashed around the place, my car, my room, with gym stuff etc. Be safe slin can be killa

I like your style danabol!!!! Ah jelly beans ! Great idea

Its what diabetics use. Get them from chemist big bags cheap as.
Always have a plan or 2 wherever u are if u go hypo. Hopefully u never have to use them. I aint used slin in ages. All my jelly beans melted in my commodore as they been there been or ages. Hope I never have use any of my sugar slin stash spots.

Originally Posted by danabol

I have only used slin with ghrp/ghrh's can't wait to try the real slin/GH combo

Most people?! i really hope thats not true. I have used it many times mostly at 10-12iu never gone higher than 15iu. Only went hypo once cause GF wanted sex inside my slin window and after my workout (before i told her bout shit) but was no prob had sugar on hand after i finished. I always have enough carbs already in me before i pin
Id never use slin without being on gear, definitely not taking anywhere near the full advantage of it.

iv never seen anyone in person use less then 10