LR3, PEG MGF and PGE-1

**Elvia1023** · 03-22-2015, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Tazzzz

Thanks bro. Totally makes sense. Overall boady change with a focus on the guns. I'm using DES now with the MGF---short life allows both at different times. I use the MGF right after workout so it gets in front of my natural MGF & then the DES 3-4 hours later. Double down!

IGF-1 DES is great for localized growth. It won't put inches on you but it should give some size and most importantly improve the overlook look of the muscle. Combining it with your MGF is great too. The DES is only active for mins and needs to be injected at a certain time to be most effective. Ideally you want to inject it about 10 mins into an arm workout were lactic acid has built up (started getting a pump). I am correct in stating you are dosing it in your arms? I would dose 100mcg at that time in your bi-ceps so 50mcg per side so 1 injection per bi-cep or even micro injs of 5 x 10mcg in each bi-cep. If you cannot dose it at this time then as close to your workout as possible (pre workout). Although it would be better dosing it during your workout so I would 100% move back your DES dosing to then.

LR3 and DES are much more potent than MGF but combining the two will always give optimal results due to their individual effects on Proliferation (MGF or PEG MGF) and Differentiation (LR3 or DES). Proliferation is the 1st step in the creation of new stem cells (obviously muscle ones). Differentiation is when those stem cells become a defined cell type. There is some overlap due to my dose timing but hopefully with the protocol I have set up I turn lots of those new cells into muscle. The same will happen for you if you dose them like I listed. Your MGF is only active for a very short time and post workout is ideal so keep it there just change the DES over and hopefully you are pleased with the results

**Elvia1023** · 03-26-2015, 09:47 PM

Things have been good. I haven't dosed PGE-1 every night but I will from now on. I love the way I feel after PEG-MGF so enjoying using it. LR3 it's hard to say. I take my pre workout so the fullness could be coming from that. Although I am leaning out on the same diet so only a good sign. I just need to give it more time. I will continue at 100mcg LR3 on workout days but I will soon up to 150mcg to see what difference that brings

I will post up some pics very soon as a log without pics is pretty useless.

**Elvia1023** · 03-28-2015, 10:40 PM

I trained chest with 5 mins direct tri-ceps today. I was going to increase the dose by 50% but last minute decided to double the dose to see how I felt. So I injected 100mcg in 1 spot on either side of my chest (200mcg total). I felt a massive difference by doing this. I am still using my pre workout but before I had even drank it my chest was pumped. I know it was the LR3 as nothing else was pumped just my chest (could feel it a lot).

I ended up having a great workout just wish I had more time. I mainly concentrated on my chest (90% of my workout). My workout consisted of...

Low incline DB presses... started with 4kg db's and moved up to 50kg db's over about 8 sets.
Decline Barbell Press... walked over and done 1 set for 30 reps
Smith Machine Inclines... about 4 sets and on my final set I done rest pause for 11, 5 and 2 reps.
Chest Dips... I was gonna use a heavy db but I was struggling (minimal rest) so I just done 2 sets of bodyweight dips to failure.
Pec Deck... about 5 sets moving up in weight then on the final set less weight with super slow reps.
Machine Press... 1 set to failure... 14 reps I think
Cable Flies... 2 burn out sets

My intra shake was 2 scoops of Reflex's Intra Fusion with 75g HBCD's. Post workout I had a giant chicken breast with strawberries, raspberries and a banana.

I will dose 400mcg PEG MGF pre bed tonight. I didn't do any PGE-1 pre workout today so I will dose it pre bed.

**Elvia1023** · 03-31-2015, 11:28 PM

Things are going great. Not gonna lie though I had a foot long subway yesterday then a little later a large pizza (12 large slices) and bbq ribs. I felt like shit for eating them. Although surprisingly I did look good (for me) when I woke up. These combo of peps is definitely having an effect on the way my body uses food. That's it though my diet will be 100% improved from now on. I have decided it's time to get ripped. Everything else will stay the same just improvements in my diet.

Today I actually had an incredible workout. I was rushed for time and wanted to train legs but decided on back due to the lack of time. I had my pre workout powder and on top of that coconut water, shot of espresso and melted chocolate. I couldn't wait to train and after that combo I was fired up and trained like a madman. Lots of heavy sets with minimal rest and the sweat was dripping off me. I mainly stuck to machines today... chest supported row, lat pulldown, cable row, machine row, reverse pec deck etc.

Pre workout I dosed LR3 at 100mcg in each lat and got a great pump in them. I also had 200mcg t4 after my breakfast and all in all I look much tighter today even after all the crap I had last night. Pre bed I will dose 400mcg PEG-MGF sub-q and looking forward to training 2moro

**Ironworker1** · 04-01-2015, 12:13 AM

Interesting........ reading on!!!!!!

**Elvia1023** · 04-01-2015, 10:49 AM

I forgot to mention they say recovery is improved on this combo and I thought that but my chest has been so sore after training it the other day. I haven't long woke up and it is ok now though (4 days later and still a little sore). I got a ridiculous pump when I dosed LR3 pre workout for chest that day. It felt a lot different than usual... like it made my chest more sensitive in a way.

I am going out for the day but should be training tonight so looking forward to that. Have a great day everyone

**Rambo** · 04-01-2015, 04:33 PM

Elvia, can you explain what the best way to use PEG MGF is if I were to use it alone?

After I run out of LR3, I am thinking of using PEG MGF.

Also, as far as results. I know you mentioned to me before that IGF is stronger then MGF. What can I expect from PEG MGF?

I may also be running the usual ghrps, ghrhs, MK-677, with it so any info on timing, if it inhibits any other peps, or if I need to avoid certain things would be beneficial. I know MGF and IGF attach to the same receptors but I wasn't sure if it interacted with others.

**Elvia1023** · 04-04-2015, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Rambo

Elvia, can you explain what the best way to use PEG MGF is if I were to use it alone?

After I run out of LR3, I am thinking of using PEG MGF.

Also, as far as results. I know you mentioned to me before that IGF is stronger then MGF. What can I expect from PEG MGF?

I may also be running the usual ghrps, ghrhs, MK-677, with it so any info on timing, if it inhibits any other peps, or if I need to avoid certain things would be beneficial. I know MGF and IGF attach to the same receptors but I wasn't sure if it interacted with others.

PEG MGF is what I would call a recovery peptide. It's all about recovering damage muscle tissue and aiding growth. This is the first time I have used it so I have limited personal knowledge. I also don't know many close friends who have used it (the ones that did used it in large stacks). Although from the logs online I can safely state many guys may be disappointed using it and expecting fast results (or as a standalone). PEG-MGF is all about the long term imo and is best used on recovery days. If I were you I would use it with LR3 or DES. It needs to be taken as far away as possible from LR3 as they can negatively effect one another. If you plan to use it in a stack of GHRH's and GHRP's I would add in DES intra workout and the PEG MGF pre bed.

**Elvia1023** · 04-04-2015, 01:37 AM

Things have been good. Been training hard everyday. I purposely skipped the peps one day as I have been training more frequently. Today I dosed 100mcg in each bi-cep pre training. I trained arms and calves today and the pump was ridiculous. My arms felt different than normal so I know that was the LR3. My intra shake was 75g HBCD's and 2 scoops of Intra Fusion. I will dose 400mcg PEG MGF pre bed very soon.

I should mention the other day I trained really hard (had an intra shake) but didn't have time to eat post workout as I was late for work. This was the one day I didn't take anything so was solely diet related. I could feel it coming and in work I went hypo bad. I asked if I could have a break and finish late (even though I had just started). I had to go to the nearby butchers for food. I was bad and soaked in sweat and shaking and could barely speak. I just got anything I could... chicken wings, minted roasted potatoes, melon slices and strawberries. I stuffed my face and instantly felt better and was gtg after 20 mins. I won't be making that mistake again

My diet has improved a lot over the last few days and I will continue to improve it. I am getting leaner and my gf commented my arms have grew in the last 2 weeks so I will just continue what I am doing. I do eat what I want though as it's not like I am competing in a few weeks. But most meals tend to be lean protein with fruit or another carb source. I have had a few nice things today though. So far I have ate...

Granola with tropical fruits (with whole milk) then 3 whole eggs.
Fruit smoothie with 1 apple, 1 banana, some strawberries, cashews, whey isolate and water.
Intra shake of 75g HBCD's and 2 scoops of intra fusion.
Chicken Breast, minted roast potatoes and then some strawberries.
Pea and smoked pancetta ravioli.
Chicken and Chorizo with red peppers paella then an apricot and mixed berry crumble.
Fage Greek Yoghurt with blueberries and mandarin pieces.
Pre bed I will probably have 4 whole eggs or maybe a shake with mixed nuts.

2moro I may have a day off from the gym but I doubt it. If I do train it will be chest and back. Have a good weekend everyone

**Rambo** · 04-04-2015, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

PEG MGF is what I would call a recovery peptide. It's all about recovering damage muscle tissue and aiding growth. This is the first time I have used it so I have limited personal knowledge. I also don't know many close friends who have used it (the ones that did used it in large stacks). Although from the logs online I can safely state many guys may be disappointed using it and expecting fast results (or as a standalone). PEG-MGF is all about the long term imo and is best used on recovery days. If I were you I would use it with LR3 or DES. It needs to be taken as far away as possible from LR3 as they can negatively effect one another. If you plan to use it in a stack of GHRH's and GHRP's I would add in DES intra workout and the PEG MGF pre bed.

I was planning to run ghrp6 and cjc dac, and add the PEG MGF postworkout but you are saying prebed is better? I can do prebed. I still have 3 vials of des as well. So I can run the des intraworkout no problem. Just want to increase recovery as much as possible and I keep reading MGF is the way to go in that regard.

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