Experienced hgh user

**bigbreads80** · 07-22-2016, 06:16 PM

Ok here's my situation. I said the hell with it and started running some gh at 3iu a day. First week was going well, then boom, gyno flare up. I just recently added npp to my cycle, but at a dose I've used many times , never needed caber, and been fine. Well now I'm taking 30 mg Nolva a day, my ai is on point, my gyno is not getting worse, but it's not getting better. I dropped the hgh a week ago, still ruNing my test and npp. I'm thinking maybe the combo of the hgh and npp and lack of caber is the cause .

From what I've read ,and I've read many conflicting points of as to how it happens, but I guess hgh can have an effect on prolactin and cause gyno? Or it has a direct effect on the gland? I trying to figure out A) if I get caber, can I still run my hgh or do I need something else B) is it not the hgh, but I have to stop the hgh to rid myself of the gyno? I've also been dealing with extreme sleepiness and moodiness. Maybe signs also of high prolactin? I just got some t4 yesterday, haven't taken any yet.

This is all new to me, and despite exhaustive research, I had zero clue hgh could effect me in this way. Now I'm the dude with gyno, chasing his ass with meds, posting for help. Yay me

. Thanks for any knowledge yall can share with me.

**worldhgh** · 07-22-2016, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by bigbreads80

Ok here's my situation. I said the hell with it and started running some gh at 3iu a day. First week was going well, then boom, gyno flare up. I just recently added npp to my cycle, but at a dose I've used many times , never needed caber, and been fine. Well now I'm taking 30 mg Nolva a day, my ai is on point, my gyno is not getting worse, but it's not getting better. I dropped the hgh a week ago, still ruNing my test and npp. I'm thinking maybe the combo of the hgh and npp and lack of caber is the cause .

From what I've read ,and I've read many conflicting points of as to how it happens, but I guess hgh can have an effect on prolactin and cause gyno? Or it has a direct effect on the gland? I trying to figure out A) if I get caber, can I still run my hgh or do I need something else B) is it not the hgh, but I have to stop the hgh to rid myself of the gyno? I've also been dealing with extreme sleepiness and moodiness. Maybe signs also of high prolactin? I just got some t4 yesterday, haven't taken any yet.

This is all new to me, and despite exhaustive research, I had zero clue hgh could effect me in this way. Now I'm the dude with gyno, chasing his ass with meds, posting for help. Yay me

. Thanks for any knowledge yall can share with me.

Hi there! As I know, problems with prolactin cannot occur by HGH but peptides like GHRP, because they increase prolactin on high dosages. Are you sure you are using HGH? What brand exactly and what other symthoms do you have?
Sleepiness may have different reasons. One of them - HGH of low purity. Sleep is a kind of immune response to bacterial residue in HGH.
Also, gyno can be caused by both NPP and test but in different ways - prolactin gyno and estrogen gyno

**ODB** · 07-22-2016, 08:39 PM

I gotta go with WorldHGH - your gyno is most likely caused by other compounds not the GH but;

gynecomastia can be the result of steroid use, because there is an altered balance of a man’s hormones. Oftentimes, the tissue build up from this abnormal ratios of estrogen, Prolactin and testosterone, is irreversible. Surgery may be the only solution for gynecomastia, which will remove the excess breast tissue. Does HGH also cause gynecomastia? The answer is yes, because HGH is also a hormone that can throw hormonal levels off their balance especially the hormone prolactin.

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What many are not aware of is that the male body naturally has small amounts of estrogen. However, some steroids and synthetic human growth hormone injections can result in an excess of estrogen occurring through the aromatization process. When this large estrogen concentration occurs, it can result in some undesirable side effects like the enlargement of the breasts (gynecomastia), water retention and female pattern fat distribution. Gynecomastia can also occur when higher concentrations of estrogen occur relative to your body’s level of testosterone.

Gynecomastia can be prevented by preventing estrogen from forming with an aromatase inhibitor, or by blocking estrogen from being able to bind to the estrogen receptors in the body. There are non-prescription anti-estrogens considered trustworthy.
If you are taking steroids, gynecomastia can be prevented by taking anti-estrogens. Arimidex (anastrozole), Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) and Proviron (mesterolone) all work as anti-estrogens.
The majority of bodybuilders like to block the estrogen from forming. They prefer this because not only does it prevent gynecomastia, it also decreases water retention, which leaves them with a harder looking body. Nolvadex blocks estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors in the body.
If you take steroids you should always have an anti-estrogen on hand. Even if you take an aromatase inhibitor like Proviron or Arimidex, you should keep some Nolvadex in case your dose is too low and you start to see gynecomastia symptoms.

Arimidex

Typical dosages for Arimidex start as low as 0.25 mg a day up to 1.0mg a day. 0.5 mg a day Arimidex is the average dosage.
How to Take Proviron
Typically the Proviron dosage of 50 mg a day. You take one tablet in the morning and one in the evening.
How to Take Nolvadex
Nolvadex is usually only taken once there are symptoms of gynecomastia. Typically the dosage ranges from 20mg to 40mg every day and continues until the symptoms are gone. Many are instructed to take Nolvadex even after their symptoms have subsided, through until the end of their cycle.

Should You Stop Your Steroids?

If you are taking steroid and start to have symptoms of gynecomastia and you do not have anti-estrogens, it will not help to stop your steroids mid cycle. If you do, it can make it worse. There will be estrogen remaining in your body so the breast tissue continues to build. There will be steroids that remain in your body for 2-3 weeks after injections stop, which will continue to convert to estrogen and continue to cause the breast tissue to build.
Once the steroids are metabolized, your testosterone levels will be almost zero and your body's natural estrogen levels are going to be very high, which also means breast tissue will continue to grow.

Bottom line – stopping your steroids isn’t going to stop gynecomastia, but taking anti-estrogens will stop gynecomastia. Better yet Don't use steroids at all!

If you do not use an aromatase inhibitor during your cycle like Proviron or Arimidex, you should always make sure you have Nolvadex handy. Even when you use aromatase inhibitors, it is a good idea to have Nolvadex handy just in case your Proviron or Arimidex dose is too low or you miss doses.

**bigbreads80** · 07-22-2016, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by worldhgh

Hi there! As I know, problems with prolactin cannot occur by HGH but peptides like GHRP, because they increase prolactin on high dosages. Are you sure you are using HGH? What brand exactly and what other symthoms do you have?
Sleepiness may have different reasons. One of them - HGH of low purity. Sleep is a kind of immune response to bacterial residue in HGH.
Also, gyno can be caused by both NPP and test but in different ways - prolactin gyno and estrogen gyno

The greys im taking are from a reputable source. I know many who've used with good success. And I've ran ghrp before and it didn't effect me like this at all. Was also experiencing increased vascularity and fullness with the hgh

**worldhgh** · 07-22-2016, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by bigbreads80

The greys im taking are from a reputable source. I know many who've used with good success. And I've ran ghrp before and it didn't effect me like this at all. Was also experiencing increased vascularity and fullness with the hgh

Then gyno is connected with test and/or NPP