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      GH Relseasing Systems Simplified (by datbtrue)

      I managed to find this piece put together by our former friend datbtrue. I hope this all helps to answer some questions about the way your body makes Growth Hormone and the best way to maximize that affect. I wish I had datbtrue's color coded version of this, but I couldn't find it.


      GH Releasing System Simplified


      Three Basic Hormones


      If you form a V w/ your fingers you have the basics for the GH releasing system modeled before you. One finger is a hormone called Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) and the other is the hormoneSomatostatin.


      The bottom of the V is where both of those hormones converge. At that bottom we have somatotrophs (or somatotropes or Growth Hormone Releasing cells). These are cells that spend most of their time assemblingGrowth Hormone (GH) from pieces and storing it.


      So in this simple system we have three hormones. We have Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) which comes from the brain and contacts Growth Hormone Releasing Cells (Somatotrophs or somatotropes) and causes the cell to release some of the Growth Hormone (GH) it has made and stored. If we ask the cell to release GH all the time we end up with no storage of GH. As soon as some is made it is released. This is what I call GH bleed because you get a constant low flow or dribble of GH but no big pulse, or mass of GH.


      What causes GH release? The brain-derived hormone Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH). So if GHRH is always free to act we end up with GH bleed.


      However the other brain-derived hormone Somatostatin functions as the "off switch". It also contacts the Growth Hormone Releasing Cell (Somatotroph) and instructs it not to release Growth Hormone (GH). IfSomatostatin is present and GHRH is not then we will never have GH release. What we will have is plenty of time for the cells to make and store GH. If we could ever get Somatoststin to go away and GHRH to show up we'd have a big release or pulse of GH.


      As you can see both the "on switch" hormone Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) and the "off switch" hormone Somatostatin are necessary or we end up with a malfunctioning human being.


      You may wonder if we can limp by w/ just GH bleed. We can up until puberty when it is time to grow, develop and mature. Growth, development and maturity requires pulsatile GH (in conjunction with timed release of sex hormones).


      You may also wonder what happens if GHRH and Somatostatin are together at the bottom of the V at the same time. What does the cell do? The answer is that for the most part Somatostatin is stronger and GH will not be released.


      From this it is easy to see that a well-functioning GH releasing system depends on both GHRH & Somatostatin. Somatostatin to hold back release so enough GH can be made and then GHRH to cause a pulse of GH. Not only must these two brain-derived hormones which oppose each be active, they also must alternate with one another...GHRH release and a while later somatostatin and then a while later somatostatin retreats andGHRH is released again... this brings release of some of the GH mass that has been built up over the course of 3 hours in what looks like a pulse if graphed.


      Ghrelin (GHRPs) the 4th hormone in the GH Releasing System


      To be complete we need to add a fourth hormone to this system. One hormone Growth Hormone (GH) is the end-product hormone. It results from all of this activity. That leaves the other 3 hormones as hormones that determine how, when and how much GH will be released.


      If you replace the V you formed with your fingers with a Y, by using the same two fingers to form a V and now adding your long forearm, you have a very good model of the GH releasing system.


      The forearm extends to the stomach and that is where the hormone Ghrelin is made. Ghrelin is a hunger derived gut-hormone. It is capable of making its way to the pituitary where the GH releasing cells (somatotrophs) reside. Just like GHRH & Somatostatin it also can contact the cell. When it does it reduces Somatostatins effect. Ghrelin increases GH release. It does this in several ways -by encouraging the brain to release moreGHRH, amplifying the effect of GHRH when it gets to the somatotroph, benefiting from GHRH being at the cell to amplify Ghrelin's own effect which is in part an increase in GH release and countering Somatostatin's stoppage effect at the cell.


      In fact Ghrelin can cause GH release all by itself even if Somatostatin is around. But Ghrelin makes the environment safe for GHRH to act and if GHRH acts when Ghrelin is there the result is what is called a synergisticGH release. Synergy means the amount is larger then each could have produced on its own. If Ghrelin would cause 5 units to be released and GHRH 2 units when you put them together synergy means the result is more then additive (5 + 2). The synergistic result may be 15 units. Why does synergy happen? GHRH and GHRP help each other... they make each other stronger. More complete fuller treatment of the topic available on the forum.


      Ghrelin is a natural hormone with effects besides GH release. Now a synthetic form of Ghrelin which primarily just effects GH release is what is known as Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides (GHRPs). These are man made and are capable of contacting the somatotrophs and causing GH release the same as Ghrelin.


      Originally they were called Secretagogues to include a few non-peptide structures as well. So Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides (GHRPs) may be thought of in our Y model as replacing Ghrelin. They differ from GHRHprimarily in the color I chose. Consistently through most of my posts over the years I label them purple and GHRH I label green. Wake up! GHRPs are the 3rd hormone/peptide that effects GH release. Its presence at the somatotroph causes GH release on its own and with the naturally occurring "on switch" it amplifies GH release. By stopping somatostatin GH is released. Now GHRPs never result in GH bleed. The release they trigger is always a pulse that is over with within 3 hours.


      Will IGF-1 interfere with all of this?


      Not really IF you are supplying external GHRH and external GHRPs. IGF-1 primarily exerts negative feedback by increasing somatostatin release. Somatostatin is stopped by GHRPs. IGF-1 can also reduce release of natural GHRH from the brain. This is overcome by supplying external GHRH.


      What is CJC-1295, CJC-1293, GRF(1-29), Sermorelin and modified GRF(1-29)?


      In short they are all forms of GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone).


      What are GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Ipamorelin, Hexarelin?


      In short they are all forms of GHRPs (Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides, Ghrelin-mimetics)

      How do I chose? What do I do?
      Step one: You NEVER know when somatostatin is going to act [Yes but Dat do I ever need to inject Somatostatin? No... not in our world...don't interupt please.] Again since you don't know if somatostatin is around you are rolling the dice by injecting GHRH. There will be zero GH release if somatostatin is around and only some if somatostatin is just starting up or just diminishing. Only if you are lucky to inject when somatostatin is gone will there be decent GH release. To overcome this, very large amounts say 2mg (2000mcg) are sometimes used. Injecting GHRH alone is not very effective.


      Step two: Choose a GHRP because it can always cause GH release on its own and make the environment safe for GHRH.


      Step three: Choose a GHRH to add to the GHRP because it will synergisticly amplify the GH pulse.


      Step four: Choose a dosing schedule. If once a day do it pre-bed. If twice a day then do it pre-bed and post workout (PWO). If three times a day do it pre-bed, PWO and in the morning.
      How many times can I dose before I lose pulsation? Six (6) a day every 3 hours


      How few times can I do it for some better sleep, small anti-aging effect? Just pre-bed.

      Step five: Assess tolerance by dosing just once w/ a GHRP pre-bed at half of saturation dose. Then if that goes well go to full saturation dose. If that goes well add a 2nd dosing, If that is fine add a third dosing.


      Step six: Decide on a dose. Saturation dose is defined as either 100mcg or 1mcg/kg of bodyweight in the studies. For the most part it is treated as 100mcg. That is the same for women and men. You will get added but diminishing benefit by dosing 200mcg, 300mcg perhaps 400mcg. A fuller explanation on why is available on the forum.

      What is Clinical Grade?


      American made in a lab that supplies people that do published research. The purity has to be high enough to allow ethical experiments in humans.


      What are all these peptides and what should I choose?


      First notice that I referred to GHRH, GH and Ghrelin as hormones. They are naturally occurring hormones whose structure is just one amino acid such Arginine bonded to another amino acid such as Lysine. They are both hormones and peptides. Sex hormones are examples of hormones that are not built in the body with amino acids.


      Now GHRPs do not naturally occur in the body but since they are mimickers of a hormone Ghrelin we can fudge and use the term hormone if we want. Growth Hormone Releasing Petites (GHRPs) as the name implies are built with attachments of amino acids.


      Which GHRH?

      The body makes GHRH which 44 aminos long. 15 amino acids are useless so the first 29 amino acids is what is known as GRF(1-29). Yes GHRH(1-29) makes more sense but someone chose G for "growth hormone", R for "releasing" and F for "factor". The numbers just tell you which amino acids from GHRH are kept.


      GRF(1-29) acts just like GHRH so I'll color it green. GRF(1-29) is an FDA-approved pharmaceutical drug named Sermorelin.


      So GHRH, GRF(1-29) and Sermorelin are basically the same. The problem though is they are easily eaten up by blood enzymes within minutes. If you could inject directly into the pituitary at the base of the brain then they will be effective, after-all that is what the brain drops into the pituitary. But circulating in the blood means they are rendered ineffective within minutes.


      That leaves us with analogs. An analog is a modification(s) to the peptide such that a property(ies) is(are) changed such as longer half-life, receptor binding affinity or receptor binding strength w/o losing the action. Many analogs can and have been made. However all you need is an analog that survives early blood plasma enzyme death and lasts say 30 minutes. Note a receptor is how some hormones/peptides interact with a cell. The hormone/peptide binds to a receptor on the outside of the cell and the message carried in. I purposely avoided receptor talk so as to avoid confusion and substituted the term "contact" and "contact with the cell".


      IGF-1 LR3 is an analog of IGF-1. It survives longer in plasma w/o binding to a binding protein but also has a lower binding affinity for its contact with the cell or better yet IGF-receptor.

      CJC is a term coined & used in a study that tested a newly created velcro type drug complex to attach to GRF(1-29) to allow it to cling to albumin in blood and give it protection and a long life (albumin has a very long plasma life).


      They tested three peptides/drug compounds. The first was simply GRF(1-29) with the drug affinity complex (DAC) attached. Think of that DAC as simply the velcro drug component. As you can see the CJCs are not pure peptides. They called this CJC-1288. It lasted about the same as plain old GRF(1-29). Blood plasma enzymes killed it in minutes.


      Then they took GRF(1-29) and made one amino acid swap plus the DAC (velcro drug) That means they took Arginine in the 2nd position of the peptide and replaced it with its mirror image form known as the D form. This makes the analog peptide stronger but not by enough. The half-life is maybe double GRF(1-29) in humans. So 5 minutes of half-life. This they called CJC-1293.


      Then they made 4 amino acid changes in GRF(1-29) to really strengthen it so it would last more then 30 minutes and added the drug affinity complex. This worked well for them because the peptide/drug hybrid lasted long enough to find the plasma albumin for the DAC part to velcro itself to for a long life of several days. This they called CJC-1295


      You want none of the CJC's. The first two because they do not survive long enough and the last one because it is always around. True somatostatin does pop up and stop GH release, but as soon as it can CJC-1295 is inducing GH release. The study itself found it increased base levels but did not increase pulses. That means there is less GH mass synthesized and stored in the somatotrophs. What are somatotrophs? Remember they are growth hormone releasing cells. The word may sound like somatostatin but only somatostatin has the power to stop GH release because? Because it is colored in red.


      Somatotrophs are not cells that release prolactin. Prolactin is released by Lactotrophs. Somatotrophs self organize into networks that coordinate GH release into a pulse. A fuller treatment is available on this forum.


      What do you want?


      You want the pure peptide part that was used in the third analog. You want those 4 modifications because they make what is essentially GHRH last for 30 minutes or more. This is a fine peptide to contribute to a GH pulse. This I call modified GRF(1-29). Since it is basically a 30 minute plus lasting GHRH I color it green.


      Which GHRP?


      GHRP-6 is sloppier in that it activates a wider array of effects beyond GH release. It causes intense hunger and gastic motility. It can have a mild effect on cortisol and prolactin. It is a first generation GHRP.


      GHRP-2 is less sloppy with a more intense GH release, no gastric motility and less hunger effect. It can have an effect within the normal range on prolcatin and cortisol. It is a second generation peptide.


      Ipamorelin is not sloppy at all. It does not release as much GH as GHRP-2 but it causes virtually no hunger or gastric motility and for the most part does not effect cortisol or prolactin. It is a third generation peptide


      You would choose GHRP-2 unless you wanted GHRP-6 for the hunger effect or for the lower release profiles.


      You would choose GHRP-2 normally as the most bang for the buck.


      If you are very sensitive to perturbations in cortisol or prolactin you would choose the more expensive Ipamorelin.


      I Datrius B. True use either GHRP-2 or Ipamorelin with modified GRF(1-29) I usually rotate around.
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      If you can only afford one peptide you choose a GHRP (either GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Ipamorelin) and you dose it at saturation dose (100mcg). You may use it pre-bed, or prebed + post workout, or prebed + postworkout + morning.

      You are much better served if you can add Mod GRF(1-29) to your GHRP. If you can afford it you dose 100mcg of Mod GRF(1-29) + 100mcg GHRP prebed. You may add a PWO dose and a morning dose.

      If you want you may cut the dosing back toward 50mcg of each.

      If you want you may dose up to 5 times per day at 100mcg/each or 6 times per day at 50mcg/each.

      The Mod GRF(1-29) is the only GHRH you should consider. The GHRPs can be used anyway you want. You can use Ipamorelin at night and GHRP-6 or GHRP-2 at the other dosing, for example at 100mcg.

      You could do as you described use a mix of Ipamorelin and GHRP-2 (or even GHRP-6) in a single dosing. If you do that you would generally choose saturation dose which equals 100mcg and you would fill that dose with various GHRPs. For example 50mcg of Ipamorelin and 50mcg of GHRP-2.

      You may if you choose bump up your dose of GHRPs to 150, 200, 250mcg. But my experience is this:

      Frequency is PREMIUM. It is far more beneficial for all body shaping goals to dose at either saturation (or half saturation if you are younger) 3-5 times per day then it is to take 2-3 doses of twice or thrice saturation doses. Most people do not believe it and I believe it is because they are not using the same peptide quality as they use in the medical/clinical studies.

      100mcg of Mod GRF(1-29) + 100mcg of GHRP from Tom has a very powerful effect. With those peptides you could cut the dose to 50mcg of each and dose 3-5x a day and get a much better benefit then if you use "weak soup".

      You have plenty of toggling choices as well. On days devoted to fatloss you could use half saturation dose but dose more frequently (5-6 times per day at 50mcg Mod GRF(1-29)/50mcg of GHRP). On anabolic days you could dose at the saturation dose levels. Many ways to go about it.


      and the follow up on that part...:


      To your question. Although GH does not seem to play a necessary role in daily feed/fast cycles, it is an important fuel metabolic regulator when insulin is suppressed. Growth Hormone becomes THE critical and indispensable mechanism for the starvation-induced increase in the rate of lipolysis.

      In studies insulin suppression alone was not able to accelerate lipolysis when GH secretion was low. That's why I have focused so intently on either fast periods or keep insulin quiet periods together with growth hormone. That's the environment where growth hormone can make its contribution to body shape change. BUT it needs to be pulsatile!

      GH pulsatility is the underlying mechanism regulating human lipolysis. I have stated it in various ways so many times, the expression is so simple ...yet it is overlooked... It is hidden in plain view and yet is a secret. There are people that came before me (none on the Internet) that were able to whisper to me based on their experiences...I didn't come blind to this... And the science bears me out. A grouping of studies I will write on and document has found minor activation of lipolysis upon continuous GH infusion, but far more "robust lipolytic activation" with pulsatile GH delivery in lean humans.

      If we move to the studies on obese (but applicable to anyone carrying too much fat IMO) we find that the reason GH levels are low is as a protective mechanism. The approach where doctors prescribed GH elevations ended up being without any effect in regard to lipolysis. Only the pulsatile GH secretion increased the lipolytic rate.

      It is becoming apparent that it is the manner in which GH presents itself to peripheral tissue that is important. This is not to say that elevations have no effect. They certainly do but that is primarily in regard to systemic igf-1 and insulin resistance. Doesn't mean that this is even a bad thing at times in a bodybuilder...

      ...that still needs to be teased out. But it underscores two things.

      One fat loss or rather GH's contribution to it in both lean and obese is dependent on setting up a protocol where insulin is absent and GH pulsatile. There is no mystery to why people who have used growth hormone elevations all these years had to wait to see results or results were good at first and then later not so much. They just did it wrong. Again we have some benefits from GH such as nitrogen retention that they surely received from elevations, but looking in the mirror was not so dramatic because they did not use pulsatile approaches.

      When you use clinical grade Mod GRF (1-29) (the best analog of GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone for humans) and Ipamorelin, GHRP-6, GHRP-2 (various GHRPs (Growth Hormone Reasing Peptides)) you are obviously pulsing just right. As we move to more frequent pulses the subjective differences between people becomes apparent. Some people can pulse more frequently without the effects resembling elevations. Remember that elevations change the making of many liver enzymes and skew that toward a feminine profile. A profile that even women do not want too much of because it begins to have an impact on the ability to metabolize environmental variables. Those who have a fragile make up already may see an impact more readily then others. As an example, it might become more difficult to metabolize some preservatives such as msg without a youthful pulsatile GH release.

      Others will handle increased pulses without having peripheral tissue see it as an elevation. Why how? Genetic differences... When we look at bodybuilders and say "he/she is genetically blessed" it probably means many things... One of which is how they respond to GH... In the speed with which they remake it, secrete it and use it.

      The reason I used two different examples 100mcg and 50mcg doses was to underscore this subjective variation.

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      Carbless Post Work Out and Intermittent Fasting

      The first concept is my favorite eating style, the “Carbless Post-workout” protocol, for which I give credit to my friend DatbTrue[2]. There are some rational and scientifically-based reasons for not consuming tons of carbs post-workout.

      One is that training heightens insulin sensitivity and consumption of carbs lowers insulin sensitivity.[3] By training and eating carbs, you are undoing some of the benefits you would have reaped. Insulin sensitivity, as stated by Larry, may not be a “big rock,” but it should be a lifelong priority – that is, if you find prevention of diabetes, possible prevention of Alzheimer’s disease, prevention of metabolic syndrome, ability to gain muscle rather than fat, and longevity important![4,5] And even cooler, if you’re a meathead, is that you increase muscle protein synthesis post-workout by avoiding carbs.[6] If you already fast, fasting the day after you train and use CPWO will increase lipolysis and fat oxidation – in other words, you will be able to use your adipose tissue (fat) more efficiently as fuel.[7]

      CPWO is pretty simple; you don’t eat carbs post-workout, of course. Instead, you consume large amounts of protein and (depending on goals) moderate amounts of fat. The carbless period lasts from 5 to 48 hours (again: depending on goals) and I typically advise eating “to appetite” – in other words, you eat until full but not stuffed. This serves two purposes. One, satiety is a “good thing” for wellbeing and fat loss, because if you are full there is less chance of noncompliance with your eating plan; and two, because your food selection is limited to the more-filling, less-insulinogenic protein/fat macronutrients, you can stick closer to maintenance or even a deficit (and, for that matter, your body can still begin the recovery process in a slight deficit).

      There are some major differences between CPWO and a “keto” (ketogenic) eating plan. First of all, CPWO does not attempt to use ketosis as a primary fat loss modality. Ketosis is great if it occurs, but it does not need to – you can still lose fat and do great if it does not. Second, instead of randomly-planned “refeed” days, CPWO utilizes planned and targeted “carb-ups,” always before some sort of physical activity. If you are training with weights, you always carb up. The day of weight training, eat 1 to 4 meals containing carbs and protein (limited, incidental amounts of fat are OK too) prior to training. As a guideline, you should get in 75-400g carbs total depending on your size, goals, and experience – play around and see how little you can get away with and still have a good workout, or how much you can eat and not put on fat, etc.

      First, a few words about glycogen and carb consumption. For years, and to this day, supplement and “recovery drink” companies push sugary post-workout drinks on people who lift weights and do sports, to “replenish glycogen.” In fact, people argue about the “speed” of various carb sources to replenish glygocen as if speed were of the essence. But replenishing muscle and liver glycogen is not necessary to induce protein synthesis or recovery; in fact, there is no need to replenish glycogen until the next physical activity session, if then.Here are some guidelines to determine if you need carbs pre-activity. And remember, you never “need” carbs post-activity, unless you have another session a few hours away (e.g. during a day of competition).

      You need carbs priorto exercise if:

      -The majority of the upcoming session is resistance training
      -Performance is a top priority, such as during a competition
      -Your body is very inefficient at using fat for fuel and you “crash” easily (NB: if this is you, try to taper off the amount of carbs you consume gradually, over weeks or months)

      You do not need carbs if:
      -Fat burning is your primary goal
      -You are training, but not competing during this particular session (BJJ, cardio, etc)

      If you perform the majority of your non-weight-training activity in a fasted state, you will improve your insulin sensitivity and ability to use fat for energy, and - if the big rocks are in place – will be healthier and leaner.Here is a quick and dirty template with a few additional points:

      -Pre-lifting, consume 75-400g carbs divided between 1-4 meals with 20-50g protein at each meal (more meals is better, but some people are forced to lift early, or don’t have time to eat more meals, etc). You should eat the last meal preferably no sooner than 1 hour before the workout.

      -I advise consuming L-leucine during the workout due to the vast array of benefits on body composition, etc. [8] Consume 5g during the workout and nothing else. (NB: dat would suggest glutamine and perhaps some glycine here for max benefit)

      -Immediately post-workout, consume 40-100g of protein only (depending on body size and goals) from whole foods or shake (this is the one time I typically ever have a protein shake).

      -Whenever you are hungry past that point, for the following 5 to 48 hours, consume protein from whole foods, and zero carbs except from raw veggies. It is advisable to eat healthy fats (coconut oil, EVOO, avocado oil, fish oil, a few almonds, almond butter, eggs, butter, etc) at every other meal (amounts will vary depending on whether goal is mass gain, or fat loss).

      -Before your next serious, performance-oriented activity session, or your next weight-training session, preferably the “day of,” repeat the “carbing up” process.

      -You will probably have better results from fasting if you also use CPWO, and if you position the fasts to be on the day following weight training. Over time it will get easier to fast, too.

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      Assistance with Alternate Day Fasting

      I find alternate day fasting pretty painful. I get headaches and just feel terrible. DatBTrue advised me to use the following to help curb the side effects of fasting.

      Mix the following fiber combination with some water and drink it ot curb the hunger.

      1/2 teaspoon - Guar Gum
      1 teaspoon - Psyllium Husk
      1 teaspoon - Apple Fiber/Pectin

      You will want to mix and drink quickly because the longer it sets up the more it gels. It will turn into a near jello consistency if you wait too long. As far getting the fiber, Dat turned me on to herbsfirst.com. I buy 8 oz of Guar, 16 oz. of Psyllium, and 16 oz. of Apple Pectin when I order. Buying it like this helps me to remember the ratio. With shipping its under $70. Hopefully I don't get in trouble for posting a source since its just fiber.

      Happy Fasting,

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      Growth Hormone Administration vs. CJC-1295 and GHRP-6




      Units of Measurement
      Growth Hormone (GH) like other biologically active substances is measured in International Units (abbreviated as IU) which are based on the measured biological activity for that substance the establishment of which is determined by international agreement. International Units are specific to each substance and so one IU of one substance has no equivalence to one IU of another substance.

      While it is fairly straightforward to compare the amount of GH among various dosing administrations (a two (2) iu dose is twice the amount of a four (4) iu dose) and it is easy to ask the manufacture the weight of each iu (Nutropin reveals that 1 iu of their GH is equal to 333 mcg) it is not so simple to compare Growth Hormone to other "Growth Hormone Releasing" compounds such as CJC-1295 and GHRP-6.


      Practically all studies that use Growth Hormone (GH) or Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) or its analog CJC-1295 or Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides all take blood samples to measure the amount of GH present in blood plasma at various points in time. The unit of measurement is a standardized unit which can be used to make comparisons across different compounds.
      The studies either report results as "nanograms (ng) per milliliter (ml)" or "micrograms (ug) per liter (L)". For the reason that ng = 1/1000 ug and ml = 1/1000 L, ng/ml will always equal ug/L. So no matter how the studies report results comparison is straightforward. In making the cross-comparisons contained herein for simplicity I have chosen to report results as ng/ml.
      Therefore this examination will look to several studies involving administration of the compounds of interest and compare the blood plasma levels of IGF-1 and both peaks and total amount of GH blood plasma levels as a result of administration of each tested compound. The result of this cross-study examination will reveal the efficaciousness of various doses of GH, CJC-1295 and GHRH + GHRP-6 in increasing GH & IGF-1 in blood plasma.


      Studies used for comparison

      Growth Hormone Administration
      In "Pharmacokinetics and Metabolic Effects of High-Dose Growth Hormone Administration in Healthy Adult Men", Toshiaki Tanaka, et al., Endocrine Journal 1999, 46 (4), 605-612, fifteen healthy normal Japanese adult males aged from 20 to 27 years were administered various doses of recombinant GH (Norditropin). The GH was administered in a single dose at 9:00 a.m. after overnight fasting. Blood samples were collected at 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 12 and 24 hours after the single injection.
      The doses administered were: .075iu/kg; .15iu/kg and .30iu/kg
      When the average weight of each test subject is accounted for the doses administered approximated: 5iu; 10iu and 20iu


      CJC-1295 Administration
      In "Prolonged Stimulation of Growth Hormone (GH) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor I Secretion by CJC-1295, a Long-Acting Analog of GH-Releasing Hormone, in Healthy Adults", Sam L. Teichman, et al. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 91(3):799-805, sixty-six healthy normal men and women aged 21-61 were administered various doses of CJC-1295 (long-lasting GHRH analog). The CJC-1295 was administered in a single dose and again in some groups 7 days later and other groups 14 days later. For the reason that we are only examining a week's worth of data only the initial dose is of interest. Blood samples were collected before dosing and then at 15, 30, and 60 minutes and 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 24 hours afterdosing; and then every 8 hours on days 2–3, then daily on days 4, 5, 6, 7.
      The doses administered were: 30mcg/kg; 60mcg/kg; 125mcg/kg; 250mcg/kg

      GHRH + GHRP-6 Administration
      While we are limited in our choice of GH administration studies (because no other study administered such high doses in normal men) and CJC-1295 studies (there are only two, the results of which are available to the public) we have many available studies measuring the effects of co administration of GHRH and GHRPs.
      So we will briefly look at the results from two studies to give us an idea of how much GH release is contributed by the enhanced pulse brought on by this synergistic combination.
      They are, "Inhibition of growth hormone release after the combined administration of GHRH and GHRP-6 in patients with Cushing's syndrome", Alfonso Leal-Cerro, et al., Clinical Endocrinology 1994, 41 (5) , 649–654 and "Growth hormone (GH)-releasing peptide stimulates GH release in normal men and acts synergistically with GH-releasing hormone", Bowers, C.Y., et al. J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab. 70, 975–982.

      What's Normal?
      Before we look at the studies lets take a brief look at how much growth hormone (GH) is secreted naturally. There is a large variability among age groups, gender, fitness level and among individuals within a single age group. So the best we can do is generalize. The charts below are derived from GH blood plasma data collected over a 24 hour period for a normal man, a normal man after a fast, a normal woman and a normal woman after a fast. All ages were mid-20s.
      Note that the night-time GH pulse peak for a man was about 20 ng/ml (aprox. 85% of 24hr GH release normally occurs at night).

      Total GH release was as follows:
      Men (Fed): Area Under the Curve (AUC): 94 ng/ml per 24 hours
      Men (Fasted): AUC: 274 ng/ml per 24 hours
      Women (Fed): AUC: 168 ng/ml
      Women (Fasted) AUC: 264 ng/ml per 24 hours


      Comparing GH administration to CJC-1295 administration
      It is difficult to compare based on the following GH release graphs so let's examine the numbers.





      Total GH Release:
      When GH was administered at 5iu, 10iu & 20iu the total GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were respectively:
      AUC: 311.5; 836.9; 1778.5 ng/ml per 24 hours

      When CJC-1295 was administered at 30mcg/kg; 60mcg/kg; 125mcg/kg and 250mcg/kg the total GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were respectively:
      AUC: 758; 969; 977; 1370 ng/ml per hour

      NOTE: This is per hour while the GH study is per 24 hours

      So based on the total GH concentration in blood plasma the lowest dose of CJC-1295 on a per hour basis results in more than twice the 24 hour GH secretion level of a 5iu dose of GH.

      Peak Concentration:
      However the GH release pattern results in a much higher mean maximum concentration for the GH administration than the CJC-1295 administration.
      The GH study resulted in dose respected peaks of 55.4; 93.8; 180 ng/ml

      The CJC-1295 study resulted in dose respected peaks of 6.6; 9.6; 9.9; 13.3 ng/ml

      The graph indicates that for the GH study the bulk of the peak lasts about 12 hours followed by low levels of GH. As an aside clearly GH administration would be better if it were administered in at least two doses per day.

      But even IF 5iu of GH were administered in the morning followed by 5iu twelve hours later the total amount of GH released would be less than a low dose of CJC-1295 (311.5 + 311.5 < 758 ng/ml). Furthermore the CJC-1295 was dosed just once in seven days while the GH would need to be dosed every one of those 7 days.

      IGF-1 Levels:

      CJC-1295 elevates IGF-1 within the first day or two where it stays elevated for seven days.
      GH elevates IGF-1 levels immediately where it stays elevated throughout the rest of the day.
      Both the GH & CJC-1295 studies demonstrated a dose dependent increase in elevated IGF-1 levels. The highest GH dose of 20iu resulted in a similar IGF-1 level as the highest CJC-1295 dose. The lowest GH dose of 5iu resulted in an IGF-1 level not much different then the lowest CJC-1295 dose.
      Again the CJC-1295 elevated IGF-1 for seven days from a single administration while GH would likely need to be dosed everyday (perhaps every other day) to match CJC-1295's chronic elevation of IGF-1.



      Can CJC-1295 plus GHRP-6 match GH adminstration's peaks?
      Adding GHRPs to CJC-1295 three times a day can amplify peaks and greatly add to the total GH secretion level.
      The Alfonso Leal-Cerro study demonstrated the following GH release:
      GHRH by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in: (AUC) 120 minutes = 1420 * 330 ng/ml
      GHRP-6 by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in: (AUC) 120 minutes = 2278 * 290 ng/ml
      GHRH + GHRP-6 dosed together at 100mcg each resulted in: (AUC) 120 minutes = 7332 * 592 ng/ml
      By adding GHRP-6 to CJC-1295 (long-lasting GHRH) it may be possible to add almost 6000 ng/ml of GH release at each GHRP-6 dosing. [Figure arrived at by taking synergy amount 7332 and subtracting GHRH's contribution of 1420]
      But what about those peaks?

      Clearly adding GHRP-6 has the effect of matching GH's peaking power as measured by amplitude. The difference is that GH results in big hills lasting up to 12 hours. This really amounts to an elevation rather than a pulse. GH does not mimic the physiological pulsatile release of GH that naturally occurs while GHRP-6 particularly in the presence of GHRH does result in such a natural pulse. These pulses last for about 2 hours. If dosed three times a day the result would be three 2-hour pulses each of which exceed GH's 5iu and 10iu elevations and approach GH's 20iu elevation.
      However 6 hours total of peak for the CJC-1295/GHRP-6 combination would be half of the 12 hours total of peak for the GH.
      I do not know if it matters. I do not know if these two different peaking characteristics would result in different effects concerning growth

      In CONCLUSION, CJC-1295 appears to result in higher concentrations of GH in blood plasma than does GH administration. When CJC-1295 is combined with GHRP-6 the total GH release is exacerbated.
      GH administration results in higher GH maximum concentration or peaks then CJC-1295 alone. However when CJC-1295 is combined with GHRP-6 the peaking amplitude exceeds the 5iu & 10iu GH doses and approaches the 20iu dose. GH administration's peaks however last for 12 hours while CJC-1296/GHRP-6 results in a natural 2 hour peak at each dosing (i.e. 6 hours total).
      Both CJC-1295 and GH appear equally effective at elevating and sustaining IGF-1 levels

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      CJC-1295 unleashing The Beast by increasing GH 10 times



      So you want to look like the Hulk or maybe you just want to be lean and muscular. So what’s actually stopping you? Genetics… but what exactly is limiting your muscle growth, while at the same time limiting the burning of fat. Quite simply the answer is Myostatin. Myostatin is a direct negative regulator of the amount of skeletal muscle you have and how lean you are. Studies have proven this using mice with the myostatin knock out gene in which they don’t have myostatin to limit muscle growth. These Mighty lean ripped mice are called double muscled and they look like mice on steroids, all without working out. The prized winning Belgian Blue and Piedmontese cattle have mutations of myostatin resulting in double muscling. Mutations in humans have been shown too have the same results.

      So what is CJC-1295 and what does it have to do with myostatin you ask… CJC-1295 is a long acting synthetic version of Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH). 30mcg/kg to 60mcg/kg doses can increase gh levels up to 10X normal for 6 days or more with plasma IGF-1 concentrations by 3X for 9-11 days. The estimated 1/2 life is 5.8-8.1 days. After multiple doses the mean IGF-1 levels remain above base level for up to 28 days. Results show that 30mcg/kg CJC-1295 is equal to 5iu’s of gh without the normal negative side effects from taking gh. In essence its much better to use CJC-1295 to make your body produce its own gh instead of taking a synthetic gh that also shuts down your normal production. So how does CJC-1295 and Myostatin relate. Growth hormone directly regulates myostatin. As growth hormone rises, myostatin lowers, which unleashes your potential for muscle growth. As myostatin lowers glucocorticoids effect on fat storage and muscle breakdown lowers. CJC-1295 dramatically raises gh levels which will dramatically lower myostatin which in turn will lower the effects of glucocorticoids fat storage and muscle breakdown. Now you know what has changed that has turned the Pro’s into Freaks.

      Steroids GH Myostatin Link

      Read this study carefully, it will show that raising testosterone to supraphysiological levels increased pulsatile gh secretion. Supraphysiological is the key word here, cause anything less has no effect. Supraphysiological Test Levels increase GH

      This study shows that androgens directly increase gh output without estrogen. Androgens directly increase GH

      Raising Testosterone levels lowers Growth Hormone Binding Protein. This protein binds up excess gh. Testosterone lowering GHBP if you read the full text you will figure out that it’s the spike in Test levels above normal from the shots that lowers GHBP proving that supraphysiological test levels raise gh and lowers GHBP

      As you can see androgens can directly and indirectly raise growth hormone levels resulting in lowering Myostatin which you already learned increases muscle mass. On a side note leptin has a huge role in fat storage and as gh raises, leptin lowers. I won’t delve into discussing leptin cause it can be complicated so do a search to learn more…

      CJC-1295
      Anti-Aging
      Lets go beyond muscle building and fat loss and discuss the well documented anti-aging benefits of growth hormone. Since this info is so plenty full online I’ll only outline the known benefits and let you fulfill you quest for Anti-Aging by doing your own research. The rate of GH secretion from the pituitary gland is at its peak around puberty, declining progressively as we age beyond that point. Around the late 30s and throughout the 40s, GH levels continue to dip considerably, causing the telltale signs of aging to appear. Fat tissue begins to collect in areas where it may have not before, the skin begins to lose thickness, bone mass becomes depleted, energy levels drop, and mental clarity may become clouded.

      For the purposes of anti-aging therapy, GH treatment functions to re-stimulate cell production to youthful levels restoring form and function to the entire body, from the inside out. Those who have undergone successful anti-aging treatment with GH or a combination of GH and other diminishing hormones such as testosterone have been reported to experience improvement in the skin’s appearance, renewed energy, mental acuity, invigorated health, enhanced sexual function, an overall sense of well being and a more youthful lean muscled look. Hundreds of studies have been done on the controlled administration of true HGH in adults. It has been shown to raise energy levels, enhance lean muscle development, decrease body fat, strengthen the heart, improve cholesterol and triglyceride levels and HDL/LDL ratios, fortify bones, smooth out skin wrinkles, sharpen memory, improve sexual function, regenerate damaged tissue, strengthen the immune system as well as improve sleep.

      Somatotropin (HGH) from the pituitary gland works by stimulating protein production and synthesis in all tissues of the body. This results in an increase in organ healing and regeneration, which is associated with increase resistance to illness and injury.

      In the skin, documentation regarding somatotropin (HGH) supplementation has shown increased collagen synthesis, which makes the skin thicker and smoother. In the bone, these studies showed increased bone density. In the internal organs and sex organs, research showed increased size and markedly improved function.
      The immune system, research also showed increased immune system regulation and activity, resulting in fewer infectious illnesses. In adults, HGH is necessary for proper repair and regeneration of injured tissues.
      One of the widely reported results of somatotropin (HGH) supplementation is the effect it has on the body’s sexual centers. Research shows heightened desire and function in both men and women.

      Beginning around the age of 20 years old, our natural production of somatotropin (HGH) begins to decline at the average rate of 14% per decade.
      By the age of 40, somatotropin (HGH) production has decreased 30% over our youthful production level, and by the age of 60, by 80% on average. The decline in somatotropin (HGH) correlates with many of the effects of aging including loss of lean body mass (muscle, bone, skin and internal organs), increase in total body fat, thinning and wrinkling of skin, decreased immune function and decreased sexual desire and function.
      As a result of the decline in somatotropin (HGH), and because it is the master hormone, other hormones also decline with age, such as Testosterone, Estrogen, Progesterone and DHEA, as well as many other important mood-elevating hormones. Examples of other hormones that also decrease are thyroid and thymus hormones, which can cause menopause in women and andropause in men.

      Growth Hormone can:



      Restore muscle loss
      Increase skin thickness
      Reduce total body fat
      Improve bone density

      People have seen specific improvements from using HGH in:

      Skin tightness and moisture
      Mental speed and clarity
      Enhanced sexual function
      Elevated mood and energy levels
      Improved aerobic capacity
      Significantly greater immune function
      Increased wound healing capacity

      So, gh therapy sounds great for anti-aging so what’s the catch… The catch is keeping your levels in a physicological level and to not exceed youthful levels. As with any hormone, raising levels above youthful normal levels can cause unwanted side effects which are easily noticed like joint problems, the development of carpel tunnel and excess water weight gain. Its simple, just lower your dose if you notice a problem. There is a huge difference between keeping levels well above normal for years for anti-aging and doing a cycle with gh/cjc-1295 that exceed normal levels. Short term higher levels have much less potitential to cause long term problems… Ok, so you are interested in anti-aging with cjc-1295, what dose should you use. When taking into consideration the studies on it’s outcome of gh production, as little as 1mg weekly is needed and no more then 2mg a week. This makes CJC-1295 extremely cost effective. Vials could be shared with fellow researchers if only 1mg is used weekly. The lab states after reconsituting cjc-1295 it can be refrozen to be used later but is best used without refreezing, so there may be a slight potiency loss by doing this.

      Dosing for Muscle Growth

      In the studies 30mcg/kg or 60mcg/kg were used resulting in 2-10 fold in gh production. A 200lb man weighs aprox 90kg… thats 200 divided by 2.2 = 90 so thats 30mcg X 90=2700mcg=2.7mg or 60mcg X 90=5400mcg=5.4mg weekly these doses showed safety… I believe a minimum 2mg a week should be used and no more then 6mg… You decided but I say start low and work your way up to the dose you are comfortable with and remember to keep this short term to reach a specific goal and then go on an anti-aging dose between cycles which would also preserve the muscle growth you build during the cycle.

      Stop Wasting Your Money On GH

      ..CJC-1295 Is More Effective
      ..costs much less
      ..less side effects because its your natural gh
      ..doesn’t shut you down
      ..Increase Natural GH 10X
      ..unleash
      ..Anti-Aging Benefits

      Storage: Refrigerate… 18 months + storage in the fridge
      Reconstituted: After reconstituting with Bacteriostatic Water use within 6-9 days

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