Thread: HGH Protocol

Originally Posted by rghtnow

You know i hear all this talk on peptides all over the place and it seems like there is such a divide about whether or not half this shit is legit products or it's all garbage and whether they are worth it or not it has really soured me on trying them...i was interested awhile back in IGF because of all the hype surrounding it when it came out but now it seems like every other week there is something new on the market so who knows....i'll stick to what works - Gear/slin/gh and food.....

Adding IGF into the mix makes for a big difference. You body becomes much more sensative to insulin, thus yielding stronger results. Lots of the slin gurus all include IGF, just take a look at Red Baron's or Dat's protocols. Does IGF work in the mix? After several years of using slin and GH together, I can tell you that properly using IGF will yield better over all gains. At least in my case....and those who are following my protocol.



/V

Victor, do you have your precise protocol posted some where?

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Adding IGF into the mix makes for a big difference. You body becomes much more sensative to insulin, thus yielding stronger results. Lots of the slin gurus all include IGF, just take a look at Red Baron's or Dat's protocols. Does IGF work in the mix? After several years of using slin and GH together, I can tell you that properly using IGF will yield better over all gains. At least in my case....and those who are following my protocol./V

No doubt legit IGF combined with gh/slin will add more to your physique than just plain ol gh and gear/slin but the key is in the timing of the injections and what you do with your diet would you agree with that statement??

And most regular gym rats probably won't get the timing down or the proper carb/protein/fat intake correctly so they won't see the benefits someone with knowledge and the proper protocol will.......That's the only reason i tell guys to stick with gear, gh, slin and food....but i agree that IGF/Gear/GH/Slin is a powerful stack i just don't advocate it for the average guy looking to go further but not looking to go all the way

Originally Posted by Anxious1

Victor, do you have your precise protocol posted some where?

^^^this.. I've been looking as well. I remember one of his protocols for mass gain was 3 times a week 30-40 of hgh, and for fat loss was sub q. I could be wrong, but would love to see his various protocols myself, so I can bookmark them!!

Originally Posted by rghtnow

No doubt legit IGF combined with gh/slin will add more to your physique than just plain ol gh and gear/slin but the key is in the timing of the injections and what you do with your diet would you agree with that statement??

And most regular gym rats probably won't get the timing down or the proper carb/protein/fat intake correctly so they won't see the benefits someone with knowledge and the proper protocol will.......That's the only reason i tell guys to stick with gear, gh, slin and food....but i agree that IGF/Gear/GH/Slin is a powerful stack i just don't advocate it for the average guy looking to go further but not looking to go all the way

I certainly do agree with your statement. Timing is VERY important when using slin and on a clock...and yes, legit IGF is a plus. Fuck up...and you either get fat or are put on a stretcher on your way to the ER. Timing and diet is all key. I had my protocol posted here before, but it got erased when the hacker fuck deleted every one of my posts. Here is my most current outline, at least two of my bros are running it now....heavyiron and OldSchoolLifter. OSL made a log on IM in the anabolic section, I stongly suggest reading it. You might not agree with the protocol structured below, but it works....and IMHO, it works better than other protocols that I have used. A lot of trial and error went into this protocol, and I finally found one that works the way I want it to. If you have any questions, they were probably answered in this thread. Here is the link to OSL's log...

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...arch-only.html





And here is my protocol.....


Although most insulin protocols call for pre work out injections, but if you toss GH and IGF into the mix, things change a bit. I know most guys pin sub-q, but not in this case where GH and IGF come into play.

For now I have found that less is more. I highly recommend using a minimal schedule for all short chain sequence peptides, which include igf, insulin and even gh. I recommend using no more than 3 days per week, 2 days is fine, but no more than 3. The reason for this is that we are trying to prevent cell over-saturation and closure. All three products should be used in a similar manner.

The protocol is as follows; inject all products post workout, preferably after training large muscle groups which cause the most glycogen depletion, hence providing faster uptake of peptides. A sample layout is to inject Monday, Wednesday, and Friday (somtimes I do an extra day if I have the time and energy).

Immediately post-workout inject 10-15iu of growth hormone IM, using a insulin pin and inject in any small muscle group such as delts, triceps, or biceps. Wait 20 minutes for the half-life clearance and conversion to igf to begin its sequence from the growth hormone and then inject a small dose of igf to create a synergistic super charge of the conversion process. I would recommend no more than 30mcg at this time. 10 minutes later you will take Humalog insulin only, and inject 5iu. I recommend starting with 5iu because Humalog has a very rapid onset and is easy to control with sugar. In conjunction with igf, you will be hyper-sensitive to insulin so start small and slowly work your way up to a maximum dose of 12iu post-workout. You will want to have around 80-100 grams of simple sugars such as dextrose and grape juice and an additional 60 grams of whey protein at the same time as your insulin. You will then eat another moderate glycemic index meal one hour after your high glycemic shake.

The reason for the high dose growth hormone is to take what would normally be your one week intake of gh and spread it out into 3 equal doses, injected pwo. This will create a truly anabolic rich environment and you will also benefit from full uptake due to your pwo depleted state.

So there is my post-workout regime, 3-4 days per week. For most lifters, this protocol will be sufficient for growth. For someone with at least 6 months of gh use, 5 or more cycles of insulin and who no longer responds to typical igf protocols, the following regime may be followed: In addition to the above outline post-workout method, you may add additional doses of igf as well as insulin on the same day as your post-workout injection.

I would highly recommend you take 15mcg igf an additional two times per day. By taking less igf more often you will prevent cell over-saturation as well as receptor down-regulation. Creating a cell rich environment that saturates the cells infrequently will target massive cell proliferation. In addition you will take insulin 20 minutes after the igf on those 2 additional injections creating an anabolic rich environment that will last all day, 3 days per week.

For a sample protocol for someone that works out after work, I would recommend you do the following: Take 15mcg upon rising in the morning, followed by 10iu Humulin R or Humalog 20 minutes later. Immediately eat a carbohydrate rich meal with quality protein and low fat such as bananas, oatmeal and egg whites.

For lunch, take another 15mcg igf with 10iu insulin and have another moderate glycemic carbohydrate meal and protein with minimal fats. Follow the above listed pwo protocol to complete your three time injection schedule which will be used three times per week.

Out of all the protocols I've toyed with, the latter is the most effective. I didn't come up with this by myself, I've combined different parts of several protocols together. Good luck, and stay safe!! Oh, and keeping a stopwatch around your neck is a good idea for most.



/V

Bro i think this protocol is excellent and your theory's that you explain all have solid merit and "Real world" results to back them up. I know someone who is using this and he has added a simple twist of injecting into the muscle group that he just trained instead of just injecting IM anywhere....it's im into the muscle group that was trained.. All with a 1/2" slin pin and he swears he's responding like crazy to this regime. Of course he's using a little more than that amount and his current regime is a little complicated (I explained it in another post in this thread) but that's the jist of it.......Great info bro!!

Yes! Always inject into the muscle groups that you just worked, bi lat. 1/2 slin pin works best, but I use a 25g 1" on leg days. Good info guys....just be weary that my protocol is not for the beginner. Slin for the win!!



/V

Slin for the win...i like that funny shit bro

So I've been injecting IGF DES for preworkout in the muscle groups being worked. Should I start using this Post Workout instead? I'm doing GH in AM and PM, but will start doing it 3 times a week post workout at 10ius.

thanks

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Yes! Always inject into the muscle groups that you just worked, bi lat. 1/2 slin pin works best, but I use a 25g 1" on leg days. Good info guys....just be weary that my protocol is not for the beginner. Slin for the win!!



/V

Originally Posted by rss500

So I've been injecting IGF DES for preworkout in the muscle groups being worked. Should I start using this Post Workout instead? I'm doing GH in AM and PM, but will start doing it 3 times a week post workout at 10ius.

thanks

I would def switch it up to PWO and follow the protocol that Victor outlined above....that is one of sounder protocols out there....there are many but i think Victors is probably one of the better ones no doubt