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"Listened like an idiot"
I'm 2 months out from my first run with hgh and am so confused with this T4 info because there's so many conflicting views
I'm about to go pay for a couple houndred pills of T4 because after all my research I found that 100mcg at bedtime will help with hgh.
I just quoted that because I don't want to feel like an idiot also. What does everyone think.
Sorry I didn't mean to hijack the thread.
Originally Posted by
JJ14
Really? You talking generics? I read all your post bro cause your very informative guy with alot of experience and short time you've been here I've learned alot from you for real. Me personally with generics 4iu my throyoid is off a little but not enough for t3. I did the rookie move when I first started hgh cause you see all the threads that it is a must to use t3 or t4 with hgh no matter what and I listened like an idiot and thyroid was really over active and took about almost 2 months to get normal. I go dec 4th to check again and cant stress enough how important it is to check levels while on hgh cause it can cause some serious health issiues. The thing is with the thyroid high or low numbers the symptoms are identical so most guys feel tired and assume I need t3 but thsts not the case just check levels. I know guys trust me how it can be pain in the ass to pay and take time to get bloodwork. sometimes I go every week to check something. I never knew so much about the human body until recent and researching and listening to guys experiences its really crazy one thing can trigger so many other things.
In order to get results your looking for you must research and understand how it works and it wont br over night. I'm always researching and my doctor visits last like 2 hrs cause I'm always asking questions.
As for BP it's never high with generics even at 6iu which isnt really that much. My opinion is to really see good results a minimum with 8iu cause I've been testing all different brands and I'm really not impressed at all with 4iu. Maybe cause I keep switching and IGf numbers are always different.
Stick around musclemachanic your experience and knowledge can teach alot guys bro. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by
Maker18847
"Listened like an idiot"
I'm 2 months out from my first run with hgh and am so confused with this T4 info because there's so many conflicting views
I'm about to go pay for a couple houndred pills of T4 because after all my research I found that 100mcg at bedtime will help with hgh.
I just quoted that because I don't want to feel like an idiot also. What does everyone think.
Sorry I didn't mean to hijack the thread.
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Bloodwork bro everybody is different some people could possible have thyroid problems before hgh and could run in the family who knows. The guessing game dosent work all the time and especially your going into a show you wanna be tip top shape. Always start dose low and you can work your way up. Musclemachanic could prob stear u in right direction.
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Originally Posted by
JJ14
Bloodwork bro everybody is different some people could possible have thyroid problems before hgh and could run in the family who knows. The guessing game dosent work all the time and especially your going into a show you wanna be tip top shape. Always start dose low and you can work your way up. Musclemachanic could prob stear u in right direction.
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How long after starting hgh did you check thyroid? And what dose t4 where you running?
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Originally Posted by
Maker18847
How long after starting hgh did you check thyroid? And what dose t4 where you running?
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It was like 2-3 months later after starting and knew something was wrong cause I didnt want to wake up in the morning and struggled through the day at work everyday. Took 100mcg everyday way to much for me.
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And at what iu hgh? After everything I've been reading pertaining to HGH and T4 it makes sense to take T4 while on HGH. So maybe I'll start with 100mcg every other day and get bloods done after a month or two on.
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JJ14
It was like 2-3 months later after starting and knew something was wrong cause I didnt want to wake up in the morning and struggled through the day at work everyday. Took 100mcg everyday way to much for me.
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Originally Posted by
Maker18847
And at what iu hgh? After everything I've been reading pertaining to HGH and T4 it makes sense to take T4 while on HGH. So maybe I'll start with 100mcg every other day and get bloods done after a month or two on.
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4iu of hgh everyday. Everybody is different and my dose might not be right for you but ya maybe start lower 50mcg or 100mcg whatever you think. I would def atleast wait 4 weeks to check levels. Make sure you check TSH, T4, free T4, T3, free T3 cause TSH can be elevated meanwhile t3/t4 levels are low and thats a sign of hypothyroidism
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Originally Posted by
JJ14
Really? You talking generics? I read all your post bro cause your very informative guy with alot of experience and short time you've been here I've learned alot from you for real. Me personally with generics 4iu my throyoid is off a little but not enough for t3. I did the rookie move when I first started hgh cause you see all the threads that it is a must to use t3 or t4 with hgh no matter what and I listened like an idiot and thyroid was really over active and took about almost 2 months to get normal. I go dec 4th to check again and cant stress enough how important it is to check levels while on hgh cause it can cause some serious health issiues. The thing is with the thyroid high or low numbers the symptoms are identical so most guys feel tired and assume I need t3 but thsts not the case just check levels. I know guys trust me how it can be pain in the ass to pay and take time to get bloodwork. sometimes I go every week to check something. I never knew so much about the human body until recent and researching and listening to guys experiences its really crazy one thing can trigger so many other things.
In order to get results your looking for you must research and understand how it works and it wont br over night. I'm always researching and my doctor visits last like 2 hrs cause I'm always asking questions.
As for BP it's never high with generics even at 6iu which isnt really that much. My opinion is to really see good results a minimum with 8iu cause I've been testing all different brands and I'm really not impressed at all with 4iu. Maybe cause I keep switching and IGf numbers are always different.
Stick around musclemachanic your experience and knowledge can teach alot guys bro. Thanks.
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U are correct t3/t4 I say leave it alone...
Only use the stuff if necessary.
I can now use 5iu generic with no thyroid issues but I had trouble getting there without thyroid help...
I myself had heat stroke years ago and my thyroid seemed to be off after that...
With generic HGH and no thyroid the benifits are leaness with slow lean body mass. 5iu works but it has to be appreciated. In other words it's not gear and if someone expecting to growth unbelievable... it's not Gonna happen at 5iu a day generics...
For what ever reason I don't need thyroid anymore, but I did at one time... some of us against better than others.
To test while on hgh to see if suppressed TSH will be low and free t4 and t3 will be low...
Better to test it's not exactly needed in all people and can be more trouble than worth
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Hgh will cause pituatay hypothyroid..
Meaning problem isn't thyroid..
So TSH is suppressed by Hgh while levels of thyroid low..
In normal thyroid cases TSH high but thyroid output is low.
TSH is signal for more thyroid releases if thyroid is sufficient.
With hgh suppression the problem most of time is from TSH being suppressed, meaning thyroid is fine it's the pituatay that is impaired meaning needs time to adjust while on hgh.
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How long where you all taking between jumps to get to 4-5iu? Because my plan was to take 8iu 5x a week for the first 12 days or so post surgery. And than 2iu 5x a wk for 2-3 wks, then 3iu 2-3 wks than 4iu the remaining. But it seems like y'all had to take longer than 2-3 weeks per bump up
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Originally Posted by
Maker18847
How long where you all taking between jumps to get to 4-5iu? Because my plan was to take 8iu 5x a week for the first 12 days or so post surgery. And than 2iu 5x a wk for 2-3 wks, then 3iu 2-3 wks than 4iu the remaining. But it seems like y'all had to take longer than 2-3 weeks per bump up
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To be honest bro I have no patients at all and I constantly want instant gratification but with hgh takes time and I just jump into it. At first when I started at 2iu then went up 1iu each week till 5 or 6iu. I dont suggest it to anybody and I'm not putting it out there just to start high but that's how I did it with no issiues. I've had some CT before but not where I would want to stop running hgh or lower dose. These are generics
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