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- Thank you for the informative thorough over view,
I've been asked numerous times by customers on the preferred protocol for IGF1 usage so figured out it's a good place to give my thought in a nutshell.
There are different approaches, Dave Palumbo for instance created a theory by which only 11mcg a day should be used for long run due t receptor saturation, for my best understanding it has no scientific back up.
Empirically I've seen best results with 50-150 mcg a day while running it 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. The most known protocol is using the IGF1 post workout, or prior the largest meal of the day, however my preferred protocol is actually pre-workout. You must ensure extra supply of EAA and unless on strict diet or keto with Vitargo like carb support. I speculate that it has to do with the peak time of the lr3 which negates best the catabolic effect of intense training, no other compound counter and abolishes cortisol effect better then IGF1. Also note that the half life of the lr3 is very long anyhow, so the exact timing is not critical, but we found that pre-workout injection, especially intra-M helps somehow for the assimilation of the peptide due to the enhanced blood circulation
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Great info!
Thanks for posting
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I love IGF LR3. I ended up not getting hgh for this semester so I'm going to be trying a low dose lr3 20mcg bilaterally ed on workouts, so 6 days a week. I have done only 4mg so far, but I usually run either 40mcg or 80mcg and go 20 days on or 12 days on and then an equal amount of days off. But I have heard that you can run a low dose nonstop if you stay around 20mcg.
i use your same protocol for PWO injections into muscles worked. I have noticed serious increases when running in conjunction with cjc 1295+ghrp2+ipamorelin. However, I read recently that there are diminishing returns from the peptides when your running igf, so I'm running it solo and switching to the peptides during the off time. Hopefully I'll be able to switch to hgh and igf during the summer semester when I have more cash for my gains.
I usually wait 20 minutes to inject pwo to give my body time to release mgf before I plug. There's just so many different tides out. I think you hit it on the head with this guide. I just use BAC water cause AA hurts, but I read that without AA it could degrade after 30 days, so if I do low dose it would probably be necessary to keep the molecule from unraveling. One sign iGF is bad is if it gets cloudy, don't drop the vial ever, I can say that.
I read that it's important to do site injections PWO to make sure that it binds to muscles and dosnt make the intestines grow.
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U can't just add bac water to igf powder like u do with GH ?
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Sciroxx-lab
- Thank you for the informative thorough over view,
I've been asked numerous times by customers on the preferred protocol for IGF1 usage so figured out it's a good place to give my thought in a nutshell.
There are different approaches, Dave Palumbo for instance created a theory by which only 11mcg a day should be used for long run due t receptor saturation, for my best understanding it has no scientific back up.
Empirically I've seen best results with 50-150 mcg a day while running it 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. The most known protocol is using the IGF1 post workout, or prior the largest meal of the day, however my preferred protocol is actually pre-workout. You must ensure extra supply of EAA and unless on strict diet or keto with Vitargo like carb support. I speculate that it has to do with the peak time of the lr3 which negates best the catabolic effect of intense training, no other compound counter and abolishes cortisol effect better then IGF1. Also note that the half life of the lr3 is very long anyhow, so the exact timing is not critical, but we found that pre-workout injection, especially intra-M helps somehow for the assimilation of the peptide due to the enhanced blood circulation
Hey sciroxx did you go bi IM so say you hit legs go half into 1 quad then half into the other? Also how long before training hitting the gym?
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Good guide, would it also be okay just injecting say, 40mcg consistently in different muscle groups for the day.
Like if you do chest Monday/thursday. do 40 in left pec Monday, 40 in right Thursday?
Also, Pre workout is also optimal?
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My protocal/dosage
The best dose for muscle cell proliferation is 40mcg bi-latterly. So 40 mcg in one bicep, 40mcg in the other Pre-workout, or any 2 matching muscle groups.
This should be done 40 days max and 30 days off.
What you need to be careful of is adequate carb intake when using IGF, especially this version as it's long acting it will literally leech glucose to cause its localized muscle enhancing effects, similar to the way insulin works. This go's on for 7-10 hours.
You should take in 20g of carbs, 5 grams slow release and 15 grams fast, for every hour its active for the first 7 hours.
Pre-workout. 40mcg bi-laterally. Then pwo meal of 40g carbs, 30 slow release and 10g fast release carbs.. that covers you for 2 hours.
Post-workout. 40 grams carbs, 30 grams low gi or slow release, and 10g fast release carbs. That covers you for 2 more hours, 2 hours later, so 4 hours post injection the same again.
That takes you up to 6 hours, at this point just consume carbs when you feel light headed, or any signs of hypoglycemia.
Some people prefer 70g carbs with there pre-workout meal, and 70 g of carbs 4 hours later, but the most anabolic option I believe is the one I outlined, causing a constant supply of everything you need for maximize effects.
Why dose pre-workout?
When do you get muscle cell proliferation? This is when the muscle breaks down during intense training, this causes localized IGF-1 levels to sky rocket. That's why 'arachidonic acid works, because it increases localized IGF-1 levels, causing an increase inflammatory response to muscle degradation or breakdown,, so by using IGF-LR3 pre-workout you receive the benefits of Hyperplasia straight away,without waiting for 2 hours to use your IGF..
So you increase the window of growth time period during its most significant period. You have just provided your muscle everything it needs for muscle growth at exactly the right time, before its broken down. Plus eating pre-workout meal you fuel your workout and allow the huge pumps IGF-LR3 can cause as your muscles are flooded with nutrients, blood and increased localized IGF-1 levels
Only dose on workout days/max 3 x week. Plus only inject directly into muscle, and always reconstitute with Acetic acid, once reconstituted refrigerate and use within 4 months...…….GhostProfit
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Great post thaT is exactly how it is suppose to be done so many ppl are leaving the .6 AA out of the picture smh!
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I am hoping to try soon. Next month.
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Can CJC1295+Ipamorelin be taken during the cycle of IGF-1. I read a report that they really didn't get along well.
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