First time user, have a couple questions

**Bomber72** · 03-22-2019, 03:17 AM

Thanx bro. Still confused as F about the best time to run it. On my carbo load day? After my workout along with my carb drink?

**jca925** · 03-22-2019, 03:46 AM

I’m no expert but if you were to ask my opinion I’d say you should to change your routine a bit. No more carb load days. You need to be taking in carbs every time you use the slin. I would use the slin every time you workout. 4-5 times per week. I’ve been taking a preworkout shake with 50g karbolyn at the same time as my slin shot. I wait a bit and then head to the gym. I like to get there 30 min after I’ve pinned.
While I’m waiting to leave, I make my intra workout shake. I add another 50g karbolyn plus your standard intra workout supps (EAA’s, creatine, glutamine, etc.). I make sure to start sipping on the intra shake 30 min after I’ve pinned and make sure it lasts for my entire workout. Little sips between sets. After my workout (about 90 min after pinning) I have a regular post workout meal. I can’t always eat right away after getting home. Sometimes I need to wait a bit but I try to get it in within an hour of getting home.
This has been working for me so far, and as I mentioned before, I have been lowering the karbolyn so I’m actually taking less than 50g carbs in each shake. Standard advice is 10g carbs for every iu Humalog pinned but that has been excessive for me and I’ve found I can lower that amount. Everyone has a different sweet spot. Some need more, some need less.
I would use something other than dextrose. The reasoning for this is mentioned in MA’s protocol. But to summarize, it is not always absorbed quick enough. Karbolyn, vitargo, or highly branched cyclic dextrin will be your best bet.
Make sure you have safety nets in place. I keep an empty Gatorade bottle full of carb powder in my backpack. And a full Gatorade. If I were to start feeling hypo I would mix the powder with the Gatorade and drink up. I also keep glucose tabs in my truck and in my kitchen at home. They are on amazon for cheap and can/will save your life if needed.
Like I said, once you actually start doing it, it’s not so complicated. All the reading and info from everyone is overwhelming but as long as you retain at least some of this info you’ll be alright.

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**Bomber72** · 03-22-2019, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by jca925

I’m no expert but if you were to ask my opinion I’d say you should to change your routine a bit. No more carb load days. You need to be taking in carbs every time you use the slin. I would use the slin every time you workout. 4-5 times per week. I’ve been taking a preworkout shake with 50g karbolyn at the same time as my slin shot. I wait a bit and then head to the gym. I like to get there 30 min after I’ve pinned.
While I’m waiting to leave, I make my intra workout shake. I add another 50g karbolyn plus your standard intra workout supps (EAA’s, creatine, glutamine, etc.). I make sure to start sipping on the intra shake 30 min after I’ve pinned and make sure it lasts for my entire workout. Little sips between sets. After my workout (about 90 min after pinning) I have a regular post workout meal. I can’t always eat right away after getting home. Sometimes I need to wait a bit but I try to get it in within an hour of getting home.
This has been working for me so far, and as I mentioned before, I have been lowering the karbolyn so I’m actually taking less than 50g carbs in each shake. Standard advice is 10g carbs for every iu Humalog pinned but that has been excessive for me and I’ve found I can lower that amount. Everyone has a different sweet spot. Some need more, some need less.
I would use something other than dextrose. The reasoning for this is mentioned in MA’s protocol. But to summarize, it is not always absorbed quick enough. Karbolyn, vitargo, or highly branched cyclic dextrin will be your best bet.
Make sure you have safety nets in place. I keep an empty Gatorade bottle full of carb powder in my backpack. And a full Gatorade. If I were to start feeling hypo I would mix the powder with the Gatorade and drink up. I also keep glucose tabs in my truck and in my kitchen at home. They are on amazon for cheap and can/will save your life if needed.
Like I said, once you actually start doing it, it’s not so complicated. All the reading and info from everyone is overwhelming but as long as you retain at least some of this info you’ll be alright.

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Thanx bro. I was a fat fuck before. Now I'm in the best shape of my life. I just don't wanna get fat again. Never Again. That's my main concern with upping my carbs and all...

**Leoterelli250** · 03-22-2019, 03:05 PM

Not to make it more confusing but for any brothers reading this please remember there is a difference between ius and units of insulin. For example, using a U-100 insulin syringe lets say 5 ius of hgh you would draw back all the way to the 50 mark. This is 5 ius of hgh. However, 5 units of insulin would only be to the 5 small tick mark not even going pass the 10 mark on the syringe. It’s a very small amount. Sorry I just wanted to clarify that for anyone reading this. Also, jca925 you’re taking 8 units and have taken 14 units of slin and the pumps are not that good? This seems odd to me because the pumps are insane for me even on 6 units of slin and I’m a big guy. Have you thought about running growth with it brother the combo is nasty. I should be posting some updated picks and my cycle routine soon to show how I’ve gained about 20 solid pounds added this combo.

**Zomb131** · 03-22-2019, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Leoterelli250

Not to make it more confusing but for any brothers reading this please remember there is a difference between ius and units of insulin. For example, using a U-100 insulin syringe lets say 5 ius of hgh you would draw back all the way to the 50 mark. This is 5 ius of hgh. However, 5 units of insulin would only be to the 5 small tick mark not even going pass the 10 mark on the syringe. It’s a very small amount. Sorry I just wanted to clarify that for anyone reading this. Also, jca925 you’re taking 8 units and have taken 14 units of slin and the pumps are not that good? This seems odd to me because the pumps are insane for me even on 6 units of slin and I’m a big guy. Have you thought about running growth with it brother the combo is nasty. I should be posting some updated picks and my cycle routine soon to show how I’ve gained about 20 solid pounds added this combo.

Sweet Jeebus...

IU's and units ARE THE SA ME THING!
IU = International Units
U-100 = 100 units of insulin per 1 mL (the most common concentration)
Drawing to the 50 unit mark would mean you diluted the HGH with 1ml of bac water, if the bottle is 10iu. Your correlation doesn't make sense since the dilution of HGH is set by the user. I dilute my hgh w/ 0.8ml of bac water.

**Zomb131** · 03-22-2019, 03:38 PM

Also, the length of insulin use should depend on fasting blood glucose. Once you get over 100-110 fasting first thing in the morning, stop.

**jca925** · 03-22-2019, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Leoterelli250

Not to make it more confusing but for any brothers reading this please remember there is a difference between ius and units of insulin. For example, using a U-100 insulin syringe lets say 5 ius of hgh you would draw back all the way to the 50 mark. This is 5 ius of hgh. However, 5 units of insulin would only be to the 5 small tick mark not even going pass the 10 mark on the syringe. It’s a very small amount. Sorry I just wanted to clarify that for anyone reading this. Also, jca925 you’re taking 8 units and have taken 14 units of slin and the pumps are not that good? This seems odd to me because the pumps are insane for me even on 6 units of slin and I’m a big guy. Have you thought about running growth with it brother the combo is nasty. I should be posting some updated picks and my cycle routine soon to show how I’ve gained about 20 solid pounds added this combo.

Thanks for adding that in! Seems people tend to get confused (myself included at first) with iu and slin. I’ve been so used to running peptides and such that I almost forgot 10iu on the syringe is actually 10iu!
Anyways, yes the pumps for me have not been what I was expecting at all. I’m thinking it may be from all all ingredients I’ve been adding to my shakes. I tend to feel bloated in my gut throughout my entire workout and after for a good hour or so. I am using all the “easy to digest” ingredients, but I believe my body is still allocating too much blood to my stomach rather than my muscles. Don’t get me wrong, I am still gaining weight and looking fuller even after just 1 week of use. Just not getting that skin-splitting pump I had imagined. I’ll keep an eye out for your progress pics, I’m interested to see what the slin has done for others.
Oh and I am also running mk677 at 25mg every morning. I will be adding ghrp-6 starting Monday. Regular GH doesn’t fit the budget right now so I’m hoping I’ll get close to the same effect with these secretagogues

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**jca925** · 03-22-2019, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Zomb131

Also, the length of insulin use should depend on fasting blood glucose. Once you get over 100-110 fasting first thing in the morning, stop.

This is new information to me. Very interesting. What is the reasoning behind this? Will fat gain start to occur if insulin use is continued beyond this point? Or desensitization maybe?

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**Zomb131** · 03-22-2019, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by jca925

This is new information to me. Very interesting. What is the reasoning behind this? Will fat gain start to occur if insulin use is continued beyond this point? Or desensitization maybe?

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Keep reading and get a blood glucose meter.

Why? Type 2 diabetes. Elevated blood glucose destroys blood vessels, nerves, and organs. There is also a correlation between elevated blood glucose and decreased life expectancy. I assume you're using HGH, that alone already elevates BG, adding insulin will accelerate or exacerbate it.

Once your cells start to get desensitized to insulin, BG quickly elevates. Your body tries to compensate by releasing more and more of its natural insulin to maintain homeostasis. If it cannot bring your BG down your beta cells will fatigue and cease to produce insulin all together.

It's sad in a first time insulin thread NO ONE mentioned blood glucose and getting a meter. Smh.

**jca925** · 03-22-2019, 04:32 PM

I have done lots of reading over the past few months and have not seen this anywhere. And I do have a blood glucose meter. I made sure to buy one before I got my insulin. I always err on the safe side and I am very thankful you have brought this to my attention Zomb. Perhaps not many people are aware of this, which is why it hasn't been brought up here previously.
So after reaching 100-110 mg/dL upon waking, how long until levels will return to normal after fasting? What I mean is, how long will I need to wait before I can start using insulin again? Will this number decrease a bit daily?