Brothers, it's well known that hgh in high doses long term causes insulin resistance (for some not even high doses). Then one adds more insulin to the equation thinking that what all the pros do. Do you see where I'm going here I.e. Fuel to the fire. The guys that do that protocol are in fact huge, but their carb intake and again igf (the secret) on point; if it's not then you get turtle belly and a host of indoctrin issues.