NPP 150mg/ml Recipe

[JTH]

If I’m using MCT oil, would 2%BA and 20% BB suffice if I’ll be brewing 150mg/ml NPP, or could I go lower on the BB? I’ve seen a few posts regarding NPP 200mg/ml but not too much about 150mg/ml.

any help would be greatly appreciated!

[JTH]

I do plan on overdosing by 10% so it should come out around 165mg/ml.

Again, thank you all for your help!

[Mastiff]

I would think that 20% should hold it but you can bump it up to 23%-25% without any more noticeable PIP just to be safe. I have made many brews with 23% without any issue.

[JTH]

Awesome! Thank you!

[JTH]

I would think that 20% should hold it but you can bump it up to 23%-25% without any more noticeable PIP just to be safe. I have made many brews with 23% without any issue.

So after further research, im thinking this may work well.

NPP

165ml/mg (150mg/ml overdosed 10%)


2%BA, 23% BB (23%BB will work, if not make it 25%BB).


In a beaker, Add the 23%BB then add the raw. Then heat to medium while stirring until it’s a clear solution (no swirls) then add the MCT oil.


Then heat to 90*C; go to 100*C if need be. Allow it to remain at NPP’s melting point for a few minutes.


Ensure the powder is in solution


Once temp drops to 60-65*C then add BA.


Start filtering at about 49*C (less than 120*F !).


Aseptically vial the product (10.5ml per vial).


Label product.



Thoughts?

[Mastiff]

I could beat in the minority but I haven't found that melting the hormone in the solvents is all that neccessary. You can heat the oil in the microwave to 200F (I use a cheap infrared heat gun from harbor freight) and add the oil. Everything mixes fine and clear. I also have been using mig840 lately and that helps as well.

If you want to do it with the way you described above it should work though. Nothing wrong with that. As long as people understand that heating your gear to super high temps doesn't sterilize it (the filtration does) it's all good and what works for you.

[Oldskool]

I could beat in the minority but I haven't found that melting the hormone in the solvents is all that neccessary. You can heat the oil in the microwave to 200F (I use a cheap infrared heat gun from harbor freight) and add the oil. Everything mixes fine and clear. I also have been using mig840 lately and that helps as well.

If you want to do it with the way you described above it should work though. Nothing wrong with that. As long as people understand that heating your gear to super high temps doesn't sterilize it (the filtration does) it's all good and what works for you.

Ivd been trying to find the threads that tracked about it but isnt there a certain temp that u should try to get the raws up to once they are in solution to evaporate the carbonic acid which is supposedly a by product of the raws introduction process and can cause somewhat increased pip?

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[Mastiff]

I'm no brewing expert by any means. Still putting together all the equipment to start.

But isnt over 20% bb really high?

I remember guys talking about trying to stay away from high solvent percentages due to increased pip.

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I am in the minority but am not sold on the "benzyl benzoate causes PIP" theory. I can't find it for the life of me but on the old Meso board if I remember right there was a guy who did a straight mL of BB into his pec. He said it didn't cause much PIP and since then I upped my brew percentages to 20% without issue (holding cyp sometimes is a bitch ). I have made many mL's with 20% without issue so no scientific data but real world says that BB isn't the enemy. I suspect certain compounds are the true culprit.

Ivd been trying to find the threads that tracked about it but isnt there a certain temp that u should try to get the raws up to once they are in solution to evaporate the carbonic acid which is supposedly a by product of the raws introduction process and can cause somewhat increased pip?

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I think that certain esters (test enanthate is the usual suspect) have more carbolic acid and have found that heating the oil to 200 degrees F and adding it to the raw/solvent mixture then raising that mixture to about 175F slowly in a microwave (15-20 second intervals) usually dissolves everything nicely. I then let it cool at room temp to 130F before filtering (I use a infrared heat gun from harbor freight $20 to check temp in the beaker).

I have recently started using mig840 for all my mixes and found that it makes things stay super smooth. So to answer your question I believe that making sure your hormone is thoroughly dissolved in solvents and proper heat (regardless of how you achieve the temp) is what makes a good smooth shot. Even when I would use GSO for the carrier I still followed same protocol and every time it turned out good. I would lean towards a higher benzyl alcohol content which some brewers use to help dissolve hormones would be a greater culprit in pip than raws that weren't heated enough.

Also some hormones were just not meant to be high mg/mL such as DHB and when you start pushing the dose higher it causes PIP.

[Oldskool]

I am in the minority but am not sold on the "benzyl benzoate causes PIP" theory. I can't find it for the life of me but on the old Meso board if I remember right there was a guy who did a straight mL of BB into his pec. He said it didn't cause much PIP and since then I upped my brew percentages to 20% without issue (holding cyp sometimes is a bitch ). I have made many mL's with 20% without issue so no scientific data but real world says that BB isn't the enemy. I suspect certain compounds are the true culprit.



I think that certain esters (test enanthate is the usual suspect) have more carbolic acid and have found that heating the oil to 200 degrees F and adding it to the raw/solvent mixture then raising that mixture to about 175F slowly in a microwave (15-20 second intervals) usually dissolves everything nicely. I then let it cool at room temp to 130F before filtering (I use a infrared heat gun from harbor freight $20 to check temp in the beaker).

I have recently started using mig840 for all my mixes and found that it makes things stay super smooth. So to answer your question I believe that making sure your hormone is thoroughly dissolved in solvents and proper heat (regardless of how you achieve the temp) is what makes a good smooth shot. Even when I would use GSO for the carrier I still followed same protocol and every time it turned out good. I would lean towards a higher benzyl alcohol content which some brewers use to help dissolve hormones would be a greater culprit in pip than raws that weren't heated enough.

Also some hormones were just not meant to be high mg/mL such as DHB and when you start pushing the dose higher it causes PIP.

Thx alot.

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[polarbear]

i know there are a lot of guys that have recipes that use high temps on their gear, but when you heat your raws that high you're cooking them. i try to never over heat the raws, only heating enough to melt into solution. i'd recommend not heating over 112*f. 100*c is boiling point of water, which is too high. it's okay to preheat your oil you're using, but not the raw. i know this is just my opinion. mastiff is right, most of the sterilization is through the filter, 0.22 um. mct oil will go through the filter easier than gso.