Are all domestic labs basically just ma and pa shops setup to mix up chinese powders?

[texas.redneck]

I recently got back onto some forums and think I finally got this thing figured out. So basically all the domestic sources are setup here in US to import raw powders primarily from China and then they mix in the vials with oils and distribute domestically? So when choosing a domestic source it's simply about whether or not you trust he had a clean bottling process and has a clean safe packaging delivery process?

That explains why no one domestically has real name brands that have actually been made my a pharmaceutical company? And that explains why friends of mine have commented and said they preferred Mexico products because those were actually made by a pharmaceutical company (albeit at Mexican standards...no offense to anyone from Mejico) and smuggled across the border?

I got in on an import order one time (no idea where and I didn't ask questions) and it definitely came in at much higher quality than domestic online orders. Like it might have actually been from a country that anabolics are legal and they just bought at drug store and marked up double the percentage then mailed to america. I guess I was hoping to find a domestic source like that but its a pipedream because importing large quantities like that is to risky a business to be in versus just getting cheap powders from china and brewing up here in America...

Am I far off point or is this basically how this UGL game works?

[joko123]

You are way off on how serious most ugly take sterility


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[trenbolognaa]

Depends who you buy from, but most big UGLs have very impressive facilities and sterility procedures. Some labs will post pics of their setups as well which has eased my mind seeing how much effort is put into our safety and their own. Most 'bathroom' brewers don't make it that far or deal small amounts due to space restrictions, etc.
Look for what they invest in. Do they have a pill press? Do they do testing? Are their vial presentation up to standard or are their crimp jobs on the vial looking like a 12yr old pushed the crimper on half sideways?

Do your research and watch the warning signs. Look at the TD threads and see their products and inventory prior to ordering to avoid those issues.

[texas.redneck]

You are way off on how serious most ugly take sterility

Whooooaaaa. Let's stop this direction right here because I'm not trying to create a bunch of controversy and all that. I didn't say anything about sterility process or manufacturing process in my thread or take shots at the domestic UGL. I simply asked if this is the basic process? Which explains why, when I see all these price lists, and then go try to google to find out if it is a real name brand online, I always find out they aren't real pharmaceutical company. Hence, UGL...lol.

Depends who you buy from, but most big UGLs have very impressive facilities and sterility procedures. Some labs will post pics of their setups as well which has eased my mind seeing how much effort is put into our safety and their own. Most 'bathroom' brewers don't make it that far or deal small amounts due to space restrictions, etc.
Look for what they invest in. Do they have a pill press? Do they do testing? Are their vial presentation up to standard or are their crimp jobs on the vial looking like a 12yr old pushed the crimper on half sideways?

Do your research and watch the warning signs. Look at the TD threads and see their products and inventory prior to ordering to avoid those issues.

Basically what you said is what I said, trust the sources laboratory procedures and trust his delivery process. You just repeated what I said in more detail.

So basically yes, this is the process, and why I'm not going to find a source that has like the same "Depo-Testosterone" I get at the pharmacy [that's brand name I get with my TRT prescription]. Some UGL's will throw the name "Depo" into the names of their cypionates to mind trick you into thinking that and then when you get it your like wait that ain't the same that I get at my local Walmart pharmacy.

[texas.redneck]

You are way off on how serious most ugly take sterility


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oh now I see you are a sponsor. I could see how you could take offense at that post as it may have came across as cheap shot at domestic UGL's. I've done several domestic orders before and every time I'm like trying to google to figure out what I got and it never comes up. LIke I've used them and they been clean and sterile and worked as advertised. Some UGL's even work the brand name "depo" into their cyp packaging just to make you think you are ordering "Depo-Testosterone" but that's an actual real brand name like I go buy it at my pharmacy on the corner. So of course when you get it and it says "depo" on it I was like WTF that isn't Depo-testosterone I have one in my medicine cabinet right now that I bought at CVS and this looks nothing like it....lol...maybe not truly false advertising but a little misleading...

All I'm saying is I thought gear was legal in most other countries so I assumed people just bought in bulk in other countries then distributed in America. However, I can see how that business model is probably not very profitable. First off, the cost of goods sold would be high since your buying real pharmaceutical stuff in from other countries. This in turn means your sales pricepoint would be really high and it would be hard to get buyers. Plus I imagine the import risk is exponentially higher importing boxes and boxes of 10ml vials versus raw powder. But you have to get those vials imported somehow to bottle it up? who knows. I'll stop asking questions about process...lol.

[RedWood1]

I recently got back onto some forums and think I finally got this thing figured out. So basically all the domestic sources are setup here in US to import raw powders primarily from China and then they mix in the vials with oils and distribute domestically? So when choosing a domestic source it's simply about whether or not you trust he had a clean bottling process and has a clean safe packaging delivery process?

That explains why no one domestically has real name brands that have actually been made my a pharmaceutical company? And that explains why friends of mine have commented and said they preferred Mexico products because those were actually made by a pharmaceutical company (albeit at Mexican standards...no offense to anyone from Mejico) and smuggled across the border?

I got in on an import order one time (no idea where and I didn't ask questions) and it definitely came in at much higher quality than domestic online orders. Like it might have actually been from a country that anabolics are legal and they just bought at drug store and marked up double the percentage then mailed to america. I guess I was hoping to find a domestic source like that but its a pipedream because importing large quantities like that is to risky a business to be in versus just getting cheap powders from china and brewing up here in America...

Am I far off point or is this basically how this UGL game works?

I know your looking at this as the picture. I'm going to name a Sponsor on here that's huge, since Joko said something.
Monster Labs if you only knew the business they put out daily and have great product by all the members Testing. Monster is UGL but can pretty much Guarantee you that their conditions on brewing are not the washed up bath tub images American News likes to show everyone.
Yes look into the Supplier, why I named Monster Labs. Every Forum you see there on, have a staff as large as a Pharmaceuticals company.
These Forums like BOP are gold to us to find which UGL lab is going to fit us best.
For the record on this I've never used Monster Labs just reading and researching is why used them for example.

[joko123]

oh now I see you are a sponsor. I could see how you could take offense at that post as it may have came across as cheap shot at domestic UGL's. I've done several domestic orders before and every time I'm like trying to google to figure out what I got and it never comes up. LIke I've used them and they been clean and sterile and worked as advertised. Some UGL's even work the brand name "depo" into their cyp packaging just to make you think you are ordering "Depo-Testosterone" but that's an actual real brand name like I go buy it at my pharmacy on the corner. So of course when you get it and it says "depo" on it I was like WTF that isn't Depo-testosterone I have one in my medicine cabinet right now that I bought at CVS and this looks nothing like it....lol...maybe not truly false advertising but a little misleading...

All I'm saying is I thought gear was legal in most other countries so I assumed people just bought in bulk in other countries then distributed in America. However, I can see how that business model is probably not very profitable. First off, the cost of goods sold would be high since your buying real pharmaceutical stuff in from other countries. This in turn means your sales pricepoint would be really high and it would be hard to get buyers. Plus I imagine the import risk is exponentially higher importing boxes and boxes of 10ml vials versus raw powder. But you have to get those vials imported somehow to bottle it up? who knows. I'll stop asking questions about process...lol.

I think you’re reading way too much into what I said. I would pin any UGL lab here before going to try and bring stuff in from Mexico. So many “pharma” products are faked we see it all the time with gh and products coming from Mexico in today’s day in age.


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[texas.redneck]

I know your looking at this as the picture. I'm going to name a Sponsor on here that's huge, since Joko said something.
Monster Labs if you only knew the business they put out daily and have great product by all the members Testing. Monster is UGL but can pretty much Guarantee you that their conditions on brewing are not the washed up bath tub images American News likes to show everyone.
Yes look into the Supplier, why I named Monster Labs. Every Forum you see there on, have a staff as large as a Pharmaceuticals company.
These Forums like BOP are gold to us to find which UGL lab is going to fit us best.
For the record on this I've never used Monster Labs just reading and researching is why used them for example.

again not quite the direction I wanted to take this thread. I probably shouldnt have used the term “ma and pa” shop as I can see how that would offend these UGL’s. In my profession a ma and pa shop might be a compnay with 200 or less employees churning out $200 million of sales a year.

Let me rephrase the question this way and hopefully this will be really clear:

The pharmaceutical company Pfizer manufactures Depot-Testosterone. Pfizers annual revenue is over $50 billion with a B. They are publicly traded company. So does anyone go to a country where steroids are legal, load up on Pfizer gear and then bring it back here and distribute?

thats all I was asking.

[Primemuscle]

again not quite the direction I wanted to take this thread. I probably shouldnt have used the term “ma and pa� shop as I can see how that would offend these UGL’s. In my profession a ma and pa shop might be a compnay with 200 or less employees churning out $200 million of sales a year.

Let me rephrase the question this way and hopefully this will be really clear:

The pharmaceutical company Pfizer manufactures Depot-Testosterone. Pfizers annual revenue is over $50 billion with a B. They are publicly traded company. So does anyone go to a country where steroids are legal, load up on Pfizer gear and then bring it back here and distribute?

thats all I was asking.

To answer your question: sure I’m willing to bet there’s someone ballsy enough to take that risk. However they most likely won’t be walking around freely much longer and will end up incarcerated.

Also why take a unnecessary risk when you can order from several tried and true sponsors here that are domestic and have blood work to prove their gear it quality. At most just order internationally, pay a extra $30-50 per vial and have your piece of mind.

However I’m perfectly content using domestic test and my numbers coming in at 5k off of 600mg per week. Can’t really ask for much more so why fix what’s not broken?



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[texas.redneck]

To answer your question: sure I’m willing to bet there’s someone ballsy enough to take that risk. However they most likely won’t be walking around freely much longer and will end up incarcerated.

Also why take a unnecessary risk when you can order from several tried and true sponsors here that are domestic and have blood work to prove their gear it quality. At most just order internationally, pay a extra $30-50 per vial and have your piece of mind.

However I’m perfectly content using domestic test and my numbers coming in at 5k off of 600mg per week. Can’t really ask for much more so why fix what’s not broken?

Thanks for a straight answer! Thats all I wanted to know. I was just understanding the process. I guess for the longest time I’m like why can’t I find any of these labs online. I’m like where is the legitimate looking website and the little product fact sheets that come inside my prescriptions from Walmart pharmacy and all that. I finally figured it out.

And the “ma and pa” refence wasnt meant to be a shot at UGL’s. Don’t hate me if i order from you! (But for the record though when Pfizer is churning out $50 billion a year in annual sales, you probably are a “ma and pa” shop to them or perhaps you are large enough they would consoder you a “boutique” pharmaceutical manufacturer. Hahaha).