Thread: Thinking about brewing, Have questions

I didn't notice anyone mention a calculator so here: Steroid powder calculator - Finished oil quantity calculator. This should be of considerable help. Not everyone goes by it as they have their own recipes. But this is a good way to start and increase your chances of success.

Please don't take this wrong but if you have trouble ordering and receiving finished product then why would you take the risk of ordering raws which will get your ass in a hell of allot more trouble? Yea man its cheaper in the long run but is it worth the risk? Do your homework and find out what happens when you get busted with raws and what happens when you use product from a bad batch. I promise you that any source affiliated with BOP is top notch and there are plenty of domestic sponsors to choose from. Why not leave the hard work to the experts? I wish you the best of luck and be safe bud.


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Originally Posted by hamsy523

Please don't take this wrong but if you have trouble ordering and receiving finished product then why would you take the risk of ordering raws which will get your ass in a hell of allot more trouble? Yea man its cheaper in the long run but is it worth the risk? Do your homework and find out what happens when you get busted with raws and what happens when you use product from a bad batch. I promise you that any source affiliated with BOP is top notch and there are plenty of domestic sponsors to choose from. Why not leave the hard work to the experts? I wish you the best of luck and be safe bud.


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As I said in the first post, raws might pass easier as finished product is in vials and may invite more scrutiny. If I can get one reasonable size raw in, it would last a really long time for personal use only, super cheap per ml and I would not have to keep ordering which would seem to me cause a higher chance of seizure. I may be wrong, which is why I am here learning from the pros. And Hamsy, I really do appreciate the concern and advice. About that second seizure, the package is moving again, they must just be slow in customs. Do you think there is a higher chance of vial seizure or raw seizure? From my limited research (still researching), buying raws domestically is not a huge incentive over the finished product price with the high markup. I know they are taking the risk for the international shipping but approximately 300% markup is kinda steep in my eyes. Still a newb here so feel free to critique me just don't slam me as what I have stated here is only newb opinion and mabe not fact.

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ME

Originally Posted by Raw

As I said in the first post, raws might pass easier as finished product is in vials and may invite more scrutiny. If I can get one reasonable size raw in, it would last a really long time for personal use only, super cheap per ml and I would not have to keep ordering which would seem to me cause a higher chance of seizure. I may be wrong, which is why I am here learning from the pros. And Hamsy, I really do appreciate the concern and advice. About that second seizure, the package is moving again, they must just be slow in customs. Do you think there is a higher chance of vial seizure or raw seizure? From my limited research (still researching), buying raws domestically is not a huge incentive over the finished product price with the high markup. I know they are taking the risk for the international shipping but approximately 300% markup is kinda steep in my eyes. Still a newb here so feel free to critique me just don't slam me as what I have stated here is only newb opinion and mabe not fact.

sincerly
ME

You are right bud, that mark up is tempting. I have personally never seen anyone get in serious trouble for a few bottles of finished but I do have a buddy that has been fighting a charge for possession of raw. Its been a year and he is 20,000 into trying to beat the 3 felony charges against him. The thing is when they kicked his door in and tore apart his house they were only concerned about the one pack of raw, they actually left 4 bottles of oils in his cabinet. Crazy stuff huh. There allot of guys here who are more knowledgeable on this than me but one thing I know for a fact is that when you do order and receive raws I wouldn't tell one single person. Loose lip sink ships bud.

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Hamsy523 has a good point!
Heard this from other guys that cops/customs etc don't care that much if it's semi finished oils. Charges aren't nearly as bad as raws. If you order raws as in powder form, you can get in a lot more trouble for that.

1 yes, 2 yes, 3 it's a waste of time unless ur making 100 grams or more, other wise it's cheaper just to buy premaid

I agree Downtown, the plan was to order that quantity but only brew (6), one ml bottles at a time. That would cover two 12 week cycles for me including the frontload for each. However 100 g probable looks like distribution to the feds. Scary stuff when you are new and don't have a source with a sure fire stealth delivery system. Not sure I am ready to risk it.

Plus with a raw, the packages usually have initials on them at best so you can identify what is what. But to Customs, most raws could come across to them as anything from coke to anthrax. If there is a product you want that you can't find in finished form, like MK-677, then you have no choice but to go international. But with the prices you can find finished products on here ends up being cheaper than if you buy everything you need to brew. So unless you plan to start distributing, just go with the finished products. Also, Customs does indeed take a long time. So when you're tracking your package and see it's been sitting for days since hitting the US, don't get anxious. For the record, there is a raw supplier on here that does disguise their international raws really well. So well that when I got my first package, I laughed my balls off because is was so simplistically brilliant.

Originally Posted by Gearhead

Plus with a raw, the packages usually have initials on them at best so you can identify what is what. But to Customs, most raws could come across to them as anything from coke to anthrax. If there is a product you want that you can't find in finished form, like MK-677, then you have no choice but to go international. But with the prices you can find finished products on here ends up being cheaper than if you buy everything you need to brew. So unless you plan to start distributing, just go with the finished products. Also, Customs does indeed take a long time. So when you're tracking your package and see it's been sitting for days since hitting the US, don't get anxious. For the record, there is a raw supplier on here that does disguise their international raws really well. So well that when I got my first package, I laughed my balls off because is was so simplistically brilliant.

I’m going to disagree on that one. I could buy everything I need to make 10 bottles of test (~$300-350 finished product cost) for less than $250 and I’ll have supplies left over to make at least another 10 bottles of something else. Homebrewing is definitely cheaper than just buying finished products even in small quantities.

But I’ll agree that if you’re not confident with the stealth of the supplier, it’s going to be much safer and faster to pay extra for finished product.


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Originally Posted by Droid1988

I’m going to disagree on that one. I could buy everything I need to make 10 bottles of test (~$300-350 finished product cost) for less than $250 and I’ll have supplies left over to make at least another 10 bottles of something else. Homebrewing is definitely cheaper than just buying finished products even in small quantities.

But I’ll agree that if you’re not confident with the stealth of the supplier, it’s going to be much safer and faster to pay extra for finished product.


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Agree with this totally. Just bought raws 10g Test prop, 10g Mast prop, 10g tren ace. Made 100ml of this.
The cheapest DOMESTIC source for this mix here on BOP I've found is Private Label at $50/10ml. 100ml would have cost me $500.
My raws cost $220. With supplies, say total cost was $250.
I just saved $250.


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